Will it be enough to get us promoted ?
If not, how many would you like to see come in, and in what positions?
The vibe seems to indicate that not much if anything will be done.
Squads fine i think
should be ok...but a CM and Winger could be very valuable if we get a few injuries/illnesses - but they need to be a clear step up from Cavaleiro/Knockaert and Onomah/Quina, or don't bother!
I was going to post something along the same lines... As in how realistic is it that we will do business.
We (fans) were crying out for a midfielder to cover Seri during our business January schedule, but as that window seems gone, I don't know what we really 'need'.
Yes there is a Wishlist, but realistically I'm not sure if we would be able to attract (and be available) the talent we need for this and next year (hopefully in prem)
I'm hoping we do something.
I think we're good enough to get promoted (although, you can't ignore that teams around us are strengthening with good acquisitions), but doing nothing now leaves us with a heap to do in the summer. We need to strengthen certain areas, we have contracts expiring (especially in defence) and there's deadwood to clear out.
If we do nothing now, I'd be worried about our ability to challenge next year.
So long as players have been researched and targeted now for the summer window, I think we should be fine with what we have.
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 14, 2022, 10:28:31 AM
I'm hoping we do something.
I think we're good enough to get promoted (although, you can't ignore that teams around us are strengthening with good acquisitions), but doing nothing now leaves us with a heap to do in the summer. We need to strengthen certain areas, we have contracts expiring (especially in defence) and there's deadwood to clear out.
If we do nothing now, I'd be worried about our ability to challenge next year.
But in this climate, how realistic is it to expect us to sign PL quality players in Jan? Anyone decent is going at a premium so at best we could loan in someone with a view to a perm but that also means we'd either have to agree an overpriced fee now and pay it in the summer or gamble on a short term loan with no option and the player wanting to stay if/when we go up. Also means that the players we'd be looking to sign probably aren't playing regularly (i.e. someone like Joe Rodon from Spurs) and means you can't just drop them into the starting XI as they need match fitness so it's still a bit of a gamble
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 14, 2022, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 14, 2022, 10:28:31 AM
I'm hoping we do something.
I think we're good enough to get promoted (although, you can't ignore that teams around us are strengthening with good acquisitions), but doing nothing now leaves us with a heap to do in the summer. We need to strengthen certain areas, we have contracts expiring (especially in defence) and there's deadwood to clear out.
If we do nothing now, I'd be worried about our ability to challenge next year.
But in this climate, how realistic is it to expect us to sign PL quality players in Jan? Anyone decent is going at a premium so at best we could loan in someone with a view to a perm but that also means we'd either have to agree an overpriced fee now and pay it in the summer or gamble on a short term loan with no option and the player wanting to stay if/when we go up. Also means that the players we'd be looking to sign probably aren't playing regularly (i.e. someone like Joe Rodon from Spurs) and means you can't just drop them into the starting XI as they need match fitness so it's still a bit of a gamble
Signings would be just one part of the future-proofing that we could do in Jan.
But, re buying, I think the only realistic actions would be loans with purchase options on promotion, or cheeky offers for players with expiring contracts who aren't getting any minutes. I don't think it's impossible, but would be surprised if we see more than 2 joiners.
Will act when players are loaned or sold basically cutting wage bill.
Yes I think so, we have lots of quality across all positions. I would say the only real weakness is lack of depth to replace the wingers if Wilson and Kebano get injured. Could also do with another defensive midfielder in case Reed gets injured, Okay Yokuslu sounds a smart acquisition and would also be good enough to start.
We need a leftback. Robinson isn't good enough and Bryan has too many demons to play consistantly. I'm not going to suggest who, because I don't know. But other than that, I think we're strong enough.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on January 14, 2022, 11:11:55 AM
Yes I think so, we have lots of quality across all positions. I would say the only real weakness is lack of depth to replace the wingers if Wilson and Kebano get injured. Could also do with another defensive midfielder in case Reed gets injured, Okay Yokuslu sounds a smart acquisition and would also be good enough to start.
I would like to see Yokuslu come in - I think we really need a more physical presence in midfield (although Chalobah may turn out to be that player - if he can stay fit).
Other than that, it is pretty clear that incomings are unlikely unless we get more players of the wage bill (namely Knockaert and Cavaleiro) and/or Napoli stump up the cash for Anguissa (unlikely for now it seems).
Assuming we get promoted, the summer is the best time to do business. We can look to bring in 3-4 players who are serious upgrades from what we have in certain positions - specifically centre half, winger, centre midfield and possibly goalkeeper.
Quote from: We Are Premier League on January 14, 2022, 10:23:42 AM
should be ok...but a CM and Winger could be very valuable if we get a few injuries/illnesses - but they need to be a clear step up from Cavaleiro/Knockaert and Onomah/Quina, or don't bother!
Fully agree, we have no need to sign players to increase the squad depth , any new signing should clearly be better than any player currently filling his position and should be capable of perform.ng well in the Premier League.
The obvious positions are wide left and midfield but big money will have to change hands and TK may decide it is best to wait until promotion is in the bag.
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 14, 2022, 10:28:31 AM
I'm hoping we do something.
I think we're good enough to get promoted (although, you can't ignore that teams around us are strengthening with good acquisitions), but doing nothing now leaves us with a heap to do in the summer. We need to strengthen certain areas, we have contracts expiring (especially in defence) and there's deadwood to clear out.
If we do nothing now, I'd be worried about our ability to challenge next year.
My thoughts too, although I would go further and say if we do nothing now I would worry about our ability to stay up. Look at how many games we lost to start with before we brought Andersen in...We need a CB to replace Ream, neither Hector nor Mawson are up to the job and Kongolo is permanently injured...
Quote from: Fulham 442 on January 14, 2022, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 14, 2022, 10:28:31 AM
I'm hoping we do something.
I think we're good enough to get promoted (although, you can't ignore that teams around us are strengthening with good acquisitions), but doing nothing now leaves us with a heap to do in the summer. We need to strengthen certain areas, we have contracts expiring (especially in defence) and there's deadwood to clear out.
If we do nothing now, I'd be worried about our ability to challenge next year.
My thoughts too, although I would go further and say if we do nothing now I would worry about our ability to stay up. Look at how many games we lost to start with before we brought Andersen in...We need a CB to replace Ream, neither Hector nor Mawson are up to the job and Kongolo is permanently injured...
True, but what I can remember is that we had a very short turn around time (due to covid) between our playoff final and the league starting - Hopefully this season promotion can be clinched a couple of weeks in advance of the season so more time to prepare
How close are Fulham to infringing upon FFP restraints? We could sign a player and then subsequently end up with a points deduction (albeit it usually gets imposed a season or two later than the offense).
If we do nothing it won't be a shock nor a surprise.
Our squad is an amazing one at championship level imo
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on January 14, 2022, 12:32:14 PM
If we do nothing it won't be a shock nor a surprise.
Our squad is an amazing one at championship level imo
Yes Championship level but not Premier League level, and the gulf seems to widen every season.
Going up automatically gives us about an extra month to prepare and that means that we've got more certainty about making moves for players prior to pre-season starting. This year was also someting new for us because we made all of our key transfers early and we seem to have a manager that has the attention of the transfer committee about doing business early. As long as we know what sort of players we want for the eventuality of promotion then hopefully we can start planning from the end of April rather than from late May/early June
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on January 14, 2022, 12:31:05 PM
How close are Fulham to infringing upon FFP restraints? We could sign a player and then subsequently end up with a points deduction (albeit it usually gets imposed a season or two later than the offense).
I'm fairly certain that given the additional income and revenue streams in the PL (primarily from broadcast revenue) we would have substantially more wriggle room FFP wise if we get promoted
Quote from: Jeroen on January 14, 2022, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on January 14, 2022, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on January 14, 2022, 10:28:31 AM
I'm hoping we do something.
I think we're good enough to get promoted (although, you can't ignore that teams around us are strengthening with good acquisitions), but doing nothing now leaves us with a heap to do in the summer. We need to strengthen certain areas, we have contracts expiring (especially in defence) and there's deadwood to clear out.
If we do nothing now, I'd be worried about our ability to challenge next year.
My thoughts too, although I would go further and say if we do nothing now I would worry about our ability to stay up. Look at how many games we lost to start with before we brought Andersen in...We need a CB to replace Ream, neither Hector nor Mawson are up to the job and Kongolo is permanently injured...
True, but what I can remember is that we had a very short turn around time (due to covid) between our playoff final and the league starting - Hopefully this season promotion can be clinched a couple of weeks in advance of the season so more time to prepare
Ream, Tosin, Kongolo, Mawson, Hector, five above average central defenders who cost us a few million. Surely a couple have to leave before we can consider signing another.
It will be "par for the course?"
Quote from: Fulham 442 on January 14, 2022, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on January 14, 2022, 12:32:14 PM
If we do nothing it won't be a shock nor a surprise.
Our squad is an amazing one at championship level imo
Yes Championship level but not Premier League level, and the gulf seems to widen every season.
True! But we haven't been promoted yet and will cross that transfer bridge when we get to it in the summer,potentially.
The premier league and championship might as well be in two different sports considering the chasm in terms of what it takes to be successful in either respectively lol.
I have no great hopes for next season is my greater,more broader point😁
Quote from: Riversider on January 14, 2022, 10:10:41 AM
Will it be enough to get us promoted ?
If not, how many would you like to see come in, and in what positions?
The vibe seems to indicate that not much if anything will be done.
Most goals scored in the division. Lowest goals conceded in the division. Seems like a recipe for promotion if you are able to keep the squad you have.
That being said, you should always be looking for the opportunity to improve the squad. Even if it were only the 3rd GK or backup winger where you can do it.
A left back and another option out wide would be two areas I'd be looking at. If Wilson or Kebano go down we're pretty light in GOOD options.
Of course if Mitro gets injured we're in big trouble
If we can get to 60 points before the window closes, then automatic promotion should be easily obtainable.
As for what we should spend any available FFP money, if we write Kongolo, Knockaert, and Onamah value down to nothing (as we should) we would break FFP, so I would prefer Tony Khan to spend any FFP money on writing players with injuries down to the lowest valuation allowed. I want us to go into the premier league without any players overvalued on the accounts.
Should be fine. I still worry for us if we go up with this squad though. Making some prude investments now then more in the summer seems to be a working strategy for teams going up and staying up.
For all the talk that this player or that player is not good enough, we have conceded the fewest goals along with West Brom. We have also scored the most. There are few players that are available now who will be what we are looking for in the premier league and this is the panic window. I would be happy to ship a few of the fringe players out and get ready for the summer.
I understand the view that the squad is more than good enough for this season. However, there is no doubt in my mind that the current squad, if promoted, would finish in the bottom three next season. Without the likes of Areola and Andersen it is significantly weaker than last season's relegated team. On the basis that we are more likely than not to be promoted we should be planning for next season now, so it makes sense to bring in one or two players this month, rather than the usual mass recruitment that will undoubtedly follow in the summer. Easier said than done, I know.
Quote from: Whitestone on January 15, 2022, 08:15:42 AM
I understand the view that the squad is more than good enough for this season. However, there is no doubt in my mind that the current squad, if promoted, would finish in the bottom three next season. Without the likes of Areola and Andersen it is significantly weaker than last season's relegated team. On the basis that we are more likely than not to be promoted we should be planning for next season now, so it makes sense to bring in one or two players this month, rather than the usual mass recruitment that will undoubtedly follow in the summer. Easier said than done, I know.
Exactly this.
Quote from: Whitestone on January 15, 2022, 08:15:42 AM
I understand the view that the squad is more than good enough for this season. However, there is no doubt in my mind that the current squad, if promoted, would finish in the bottom three next season. Without the likes of Areola and Andersen it is significantly weaker than last season's relegated team. On the basis that we are more likely than not to be promoted we should be planning for next season now, so it makes sense to bring in one or two players this month, rather than the usual mass recruitment that will undoubtedly follow in the summer. Easier said than done, I know.
Agree +1
Quote from: Whitestone on January 15, 2022, 08:15:42 AM
I understand the view that the squad is more than good enough for this season. However, there is no doubt in my mind that the current squad, if promoted, would finish in the bottom three next season. Without the likes of Areola and Andersen it is significantly weaker than last season's relegated team. On the basis that we are more likely than not to be promoted we should be planning for next season now, so it makes sense to bring in one or two players this month, rather than the usual mass recruitment that will undoubtedly follow in the summer. Easier said than done, I know.
A good point tbf...depends on club ambitions really...
Who, of premiership quality, is going to leave their club now? It is not as if it is a forgone conclusion that we will go up. So, any player with the belief they are premier league quality will either go to an established team not likely to get relegated or wait until the summer to join a club.
Quote from: Motspur Park on January 15, 2022, 10:12:05 AM
Who, of premiership quality, is going to leave their club now? It is not as if it is a forgone conclusion that we will go up. So, any player with the belief they are premier league quality will either go to an established team not likely to get relegated or wait until the summer to join a club.
Money and promises talk loads Mr M.
Quote from: blingo on January 15, 2022, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: Motspur Park on January 15, 2022, 10:12:05 AM
Who, of premiership quality, is going to leave their club now? It is not as if it is a forgone conclusion that we will go up. So, any player with the belief they are premier league quality will either go to an established team not likely to get relegated or wait until the summer to join a club.
Money and promises talk loads Mr M.
If we are looking to spend or pay big, we still need to ship out players in order not to fall foul of ffp.
If there is nothing in the windows worth asking about then we do nothing. Our purchasing history with a certain son of a billionaire is something of an enigma in almost every aspect but perhaps things have changed with Mr Silva's appointment.
Quote from: Motspur Park on January 15, 2022, 10:12:05 AM
Who, of premiership quality, is going to leave their club now? It is not as if it is a forgone conclusion that we will go up. So, any player with the belief they are premier league quality will either go to an established team not likely to get relegated or wait until the summer to join a club.
I never really understand this argument. Premier league squads have in excess of 25 players in a squad, many or most of whom, are EPL quality. Some of these guys will want game time and showcasing in fast, fluid and successful Fulham side finding 7 nil wins away from home.....who wouldn't want to showcase themselves for a short period for our side? Even if we don't retain them after say a loan, they would still be boosting their own CV with a promotion achievement.
Feel like its a defeatist attitude. And that's coming from me!
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 15, 2022, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: Motspur Park on January 15, 2022, 10:12:05 AM
Who, of premiership quality, is going to leave their club now? It is not as if it is a forgone conclusion that we will go up. So, any player with the belief they are premier league quality will either go to an established team not likely to get relegated or wait until the summer to join a club.
I never really understand this argument. Premier league squads have in excess of 25 players in a squad, many or most of whom, are EPL quality. Some of these guys will want game time and showcasing in fast, fluid and successful Fulham side finding 7 nil wins away from home.....who wouldn't want to showcase themselves for a short period for our side? Even if we don't retain them after say a loan, they would still be boosting their own CV with a promotion achievement.
Feel like its a defeatist attitude. And that's coming from me!
There are lots of reasons players may want to move from a higher league club to one in a lower division especially if they think they can get more regular first team football OR jkust want to be a bigger fish in the prverbial smaller pool. I also think that it is not just looking up to the Prem that is required. Looking down at lower leagues is a good idea and in the days especially of Keggan we picked up many ghems from lower leagues.
I hope we do get somebody, I think we need a physical midfielder and if avaialble a better forward to support mitro. However if we do go up I do think we need major sugery if we want to survive properly. but next season players may well not be the ones we need to complete this season.
We should be ok. Ideally I would like us to strengthen at LB and LCB but it's probably wiser to wait until the summer window when we know what division we're in next season.
