Come on lads sort the defence outIts hard having to score 3+ goals every game.
Very true
Anyone still think we don't need an upgrade at keeper.
Our defence is milky again and always looks timid to me.
Quote from: joemole on January 22, 2022, 04:42:20 PM
Anyone still think we don't need an upgrade at keeper.
To a certain extent keepers are only as good as the defenders in front of them.
So we need to look at the wider picture.
However, our defence especially in the centre needs upgrading. We need a leader at the back to marshal the defence.
Ream and odoi just aren't good enough
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on January 22, 2022, 04:53:51 PM
Ream and odoi just aren't good enough
Totally agree, urgently need moving on if we get promoted.
Get Joe Rodon in from Spurs - we're essentially 9 clear now so get him in and working with Tosin for next year
Quote from: HobGoblin on January 22, 2022, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on January 22, 2022, 04:53:51 PM
Ream and odoi just aren't good enough
Totally agree, urgently need moving on if we get promoted.
They've both been good servants but at the prem level they aren't nowhere near good enough and increasingly so at championship level are getting found out
Quote from: HobGoblin on January 22, 2022, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on January 22, 2022, 04:53:51 PM
Ream and odoi just aren't good enough
Totally agree, urgently need moving on if we get promoted.
OK but lets save the critical comments until the end of the season. The important thing is that we have just scored another three goals with two of our best strikers missing, Also remember we are playing attacking football and taking risks by committing defenders to attacking positions.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 22, 2022, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: joemole on January 22, 2022, 04:42:20 PM
Anyone still think we don't need an upgrade at keeper.
To a certain extent keepers are only as good as the defenders in front of them.
So we need to look at the wider picture.
However, our defence especially in the centre needs upgrading. We need a leader at the back to marshal the defence.
This
Quote from: Wex on January 22, 2022, 04:29:47 PM
Come on lads sort the defence outIts hard having to score 3+ goals every game.
So it's not just me.
:plus one:
Rodak, Odoi, Ream and even Reed will need to be upgraded at the next level.
Because we've been so dominant in matches, complacency creeps in, no doubt it was Stoke's game plan. We should be most concentrated first 15 minutes after start and first 15 minutes after half time.
The second goal was more annoying, because we've not closed him down, similar to other goals recently conceded.
Areola back would be kinda nice because he was very good last year
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 22, 2022, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: joemole on January 22, 2022, 04:42:20 PM
Anyone still think we don't need an upgrade at keeper.
To a certain extent keepers are only as good as the defenders in front of them.
So we need to look at the wider picture.
However, our defence especially in the centre needs upgrading. We need a leader at the back to marshal the defence.
Only 2 teams have conceded less than us, and we've scored over 30 more than both of them
Quote from: Snibbo on January 22, 2022, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 22, 2022, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: joemole on January 22, 2022, 04:42:20 PM
Anyone still think we don't need an upgrade at keeper.
To a certain extent keepers are only as good as the defenders in front of them.
So we need to look at the wider picture.
However, our defence especially in the centre needs upgrading. We need a leader at the back to marshal the defence.
Only 2 teams have conceded less than us, and we've scored over 30 more than both of them
True but we have conceded 6 in the last three
Maybe Seri is the missing piece compared to earlier in the season. Might not be the flashiest of tacklers, but tends to do well in closing off passes.
This is what we need to get used to and understand with Marco as a boss, we will always concede goals. When we go up, we need to play the same way with the squad that has been assembled, I assume, the plan is to improve this team rather than change the 1st 11 again and also change of tactics.
So for me, if someone is complaining now then this board will be horrendous next season. We will stay up next year, we will have a heavy beating or two but we will score more, as a certain Mr Parker said, we will lose more than we win but we will have the goal scoring ability to keep us up.
With Marco, a leopard never changes its spots. Surely its more fun to have to score 3 to win a game than 1-0 week after week and isn't that the point? Isn't this just meant to be fun and us be entertained?
I like the we'll score more than you attitude....if it was me I wouldn't make any changes....today we were without our top two goal scorers & still won.....their first was (in my opinion) a great ball in that was just about perfect...their second was also a well taken goal.... we're not going to win every game 5 - 0.... We're also going to lose & draw game's
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
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Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
Blimey, what's this in response to? Extremely mild criticism of our defence? Seems a bit precious unless I've missed something.
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
Pleasing fans bring in more fans which bring in more money which bring in better players which bring in more points. So in a way 'yes', pleasing fans does give you more points (just not immediately)
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
You don't?
Oh, I just assumed our upturn in our fortunes coincided with my return to this message board. I hate to think I have just been wasting my time on here.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2022, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
Blimey, what's this in response to? Extremely mild criticism of our defence? Seems a bit precious unless I've missed something.
The key word I used was specious. Football is a team sport and you defend from the front and attack from the back which is especially true of the modern game whether performed by a good, bad or indiferrent coaching regime. The object of the game is to score more goals than your opponent. Neither of those statements is specious. And so who is being precious?
Both the Bristol goals were poor defending but for different reasons and I'm fairly sure they'd have got an earful from Silva after the game because he called it out straight after that they were poor to concede. The Birmingham goals came when we went 4-0 up and were coasting and both were speculative efforts from outside the box that go into row Z on any other day - law of averages says we won't keep conceding long range screamers. Stoke's first goal seemed to be a defensive lapse by Ream which is a weird occurrence we've seen in a few games where it takes us 5 mins to wake up at the start of a half, and Stoke's second seemed to have us with nobody in the middle closing him down, and Rodak looking like he dived through treacle to try and save it.
I don't actually think we've been that bad defensively in all honesty over those three games; we've actually limited all three teams to very few clear cut chances but it's a combo of some speculative long range finishes and some situations where players could've/should've taken a tactical yellow to stop the goals happening. We've also conceded 6 from xG of about 2 so that shows you that all the goals were really low cut chances and that'll probably balance out as we've seen over the course of the season. Think Rodak needs to stand up and be counted more though because there's been a few goals I think he could've done more on in all honesty
Happy if things continue just as they are until the end of the season and then if we could bring back Areola and Anderson we would be halfway to Premier league survival.
Pllease don't rock the boat now, things are going so well.
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 10:17:32 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2022, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
Blimey, what's this in response to? Extremely mild criticism of our defence? Seems a bit precious unless I've missed something.
The key word I used was specious. Football is a team sport and you defend from the front and attack from the back which is especially true of the modern game whether performed by a good, bad or indiferrent coaching regime. The object of the game is to score more goals than your opponent. Neither of those statements is specious. And so who is being precious?
Maybe its because I'm no longer on social media, but I'm not seeing here specious comments or again, Am I missing it?
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2022, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 10:17:32 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2022, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
Blimey, what's this in response to? Extremely mild criticism of our defence? Seems a bit precious unless I've missed something.
The key word I used was specious. Football is a team sport and you defend from the front and attack from the back which is especially true of the modern game whether performed by a good, bad or indiferrent coaching regime. The object of the game is to score more goals than your opponent. Neither of those statements is specious. And so who is being precious?
Maybe its because I'm no longer on social media, but I'm not seeing here specious comments or again, Am I missing it?
For speciousness start with the OP and then by about reply 7 the rot has truly set in.
Cumbrian White makes a truly wise observation at reply #17 but it is largely an isolated relief. Filham is also very pragmatic. But 'the critics' just will not be silenced.
There is just no pleasing some people. Yesterday was a very important game to win, however people may believe it was won. Four games won over ten days with a 22-6 goal difference at a time when the team has been under pressure to perform. The whole FFC team (coaches and players) has delivered which is all we could possibly demand of it. What is not to enjoy?
Next game starts with a clean slate and a week to prepare.
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2022, 11:04:25 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 10:17:32 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2022, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 08:25:37 AM
Has the game of football changed behind my back and bonus points awarded for pleasing fans who make specious comments on social media. You get three points for a win and any win improves your goal difference. You win by scoring more goals than your opponent in any game. You get no points for having smart ass supporters.
Blimey, what's this in response to? Extremely mild criticism of our defence? Seems a bit precious unless I've missed something.
The key word I used was specious. Football is a team sport and you defend from the front and attack from the back which is especially true of the modern game whether performed by a good, bad or indiferrent coaching regime. The object of the game is to score more goals than your opponent. Neither of those statements is specious. And so who is being precious?
Maybe its because I'm no longer on social media, but I'm not seeing here specious comments or again, Am I missing it?
For speciousness start with the OP and then by about reply 7 the rot has truly set in.
Cumbrian White makes a truly wise observation at reply #17 but it is largely an isolated relief. Filham is also very pragmatic. But 'the critics' just will not be silenced.
There is just no pleasing some people. Yesterday was a very important game to win, however people may believe it was won. Four games won over ten days with a 22-6 goal difference at a time when the team has been under pressure to perform. The whole FFC team (coaches and players) has delivered which is all we could possibly demand of it. What is not to enjoy?
Next game starts with a clean slate and a week to prepare.
I'm not sure how suggesting we need to score 3 goals to win a game is specious though. In our last 3 games we've indeed had to do that in order to get full points? I also don't think the OP isn't not enjoying the wins but its a lot of pressure on the front lads to suggest a minimum of 3 goals a game is required for 3 points? They've proven they can shore it up though so no doubt they can improve upon it.
I also don't like people saying others points are specious because one doesn;t agree with it when objectively.....the data isn't on your side here.....
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2022, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 12:08:42 PM
I'm not sure how suggesting we need to score 3 goals to win a game is specious though. In our last 3 games we've indeed had to do that in order to get full points? I also don't think the OP isn't not enjoying the wins but its a lot of pressure on the front lads to suggest a minimum of 3 goals a game is required for 3 points? They've proven they can shore it up though so no doubt they can improve upon it.
I also don't like people saying others points are specious because one doesn;t agree with it when objectively.....the data isn't on your side here.....
That's your specious comment of the day is it? Every game is a separate entity and the only truth about the four games played is that we could have got the same number of points (twelve) by scoring only twelve goals rather than ten more than that.
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 23, 2022, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on January 23, 2022, 12:08:42 PM
I'm not sure how suggesting we need to score 3 goals to win a game is specious though. In our last 3 games we've indeed had to do that in order to get full points? I also don't think the OP isn't not enjoying the wins but its a lot of pressure on the front lads to suggest a minimum of 3 goals a game is required for 3 points? They've proven they can shore it up though so no doubt they can improve upon it.
I also don't like people saying others points are specious because one doesn;t agree with it when objectively.....the data isn't on your side here.....
That's your specious comment of the day is it? Every game is a separate entity and the only truth about the four games played is that we could have got the same number of points (twelve) by scoring only twelve goals rather than ten more than that.
That's a ridiculous comment. How is that specious. Starting to wonder if you appreciate the meaning of the word. We needed at least 3 goals in our last 3 games in order to get maximum points. Bristol, Stoke and Birmingham all scored 2 goals, hence needing 3 goals in each game to gain maximum points. That's a literal fact.
Every game is absolutely a separate entity and our defence have been in way more than 3 games and proven they can keep clean sheets. Added context which doesn't really help either argument. Prior to the Reading game, we scored 4 goals in 6 games, conceded 4. So in those games required an average of 2 goals a game to gain maximum points. Something we struggled to do. The defence actually did well for the most part in those fixtures however. During this time, the defence weren't having the finger pointed at them. Just goes to show how quickly the tide can turn from attack to defence. Even during this time though, I'd hazard a guess that regardless of the maximum points, Silva and his team will be ironing out the defensive cracks whilst also working out how we can maximise chances created.
I think if you asked Ream and Tosin how happy they were with conceding 2 goals in each of the last 3 fixtures, you'd see how really specious the argument is.
We miss Seri screening in front of the box
But with TC and Fab on form - we are brilliant going forward
Can't have all 3 and Reed unfortunately
