He had re4servations about going there
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1560767/Liverpool-transfer-news-Fabio-Carvalho-Fulham
That's not the case, personal terms couldn't be agreed in time. No doubt his agent playing hardball with Liverpool.
Quote from: rebel on February 04, 2022, 11:33:56 AM
That's not the case, personal terms couldn't be agreed in time. No doubt his agent playing hardball with Liverpool.
I heard that it was because they removed the loan back clause when they upped the offer. originally was 5 mill plus loan back and when we said no they cam back with the cash we wanted but no loan back and we said no again. Think there was also a sell on clause but that wasnt removed or something.
All rumour and speculation as the only people who really know are those involved in the deal i guess
There could be some truth in it. Silva's press conference this morning does not contradict this scenario and Carvalho's happy demeanor in training would suggest that he is in no way disappointed that the transfer did not happen:
In his latest press conference, the first questions put to Marco Silva were about Fabio Carvalho.
News stories suggested the youngster could have been on his way out of Fulham on transfer deadline day, but no such move came to pass.
"On the final day, the timings and the really important details are always complicated for everyone," Silva explained. "What I can say is that Fabio is really happy.
"The day after that situation I saw him with the same smile on his face, like always. He came into the [training] session to enjoy it and work hard, and this is the main thing for me."
When asked if it means Carvalho will leave in the summer at the end of his contract, Silva replied: "I'm not 100 per cent sure, to be honest.
"Even if I'm an optimistic person, I would not say that we have things under control because that would be lying to you. But, of course, it's not 100 per cent sure that the player will leave.
"It's a scenario that will be possible, but the only thing that I said to [the media] was that Fabio would be with us until the end of the season.
"I said it last week, I said it 15 days ago, and in that moment I was 100 per cent sure that would happen because it was our decision, it was something that I could control and the Club could control as well.
Marco Silva chats with Fabio Carvalho
"And when I said to you I was 100 per cent sure Fabio would be with us until the end of the season, coming to us could have been many, many offers, but we had made the decision and we were 100 per cent sure.
"And this is the reality now – he will be with us until the end of the season, he is really happy with us, and the main thing for me is that we will try more and more and more to renew with him.
"I'm sure that I will keep getting the best from him, I'm 100 per cent sure that Fabio will definitely give his best for the Club, like he has been doing so far.
"If we as a football club can do something to try to change the scenario, it will be perfect, but it's something I can't control."
We should forget all of this now until the end of the season when there will be a long queue at the Cottage door for his signature. Suggestions are that several big European clubs are interested including Barcelona.
Possible that Liverpool have let Carvalho slip through their fingers.
He'll earn more as a free agent, which may have been on his mind.
Or, if he's sensible, he'll have realised he could be in the starting team of a premiership squad next season with us, or in the reserves at Liverpool (or on loan in Scotland) instead...
Just my view but why would he want to move now while under contact and force the buyer to pay a fee when he can sign out of contact and pick up a bumper signing on fee!
The only negative in waiting is, he has to see out the season without injury but surely several million £'s for signing as an out of contract player is worth the risk?
I think he realised how much he'd miss playing at Craven Cottage and working with Silva.
Probably as simple as Liverpool left it too late & overlooked the fact that 'deal sheets' are not used in the EPL so the loan back could not be set up in a timely manner.
Other than for not being able to pick up an immediate wage increase probably works out well for Fabio and his agent (s) as other teams may chance their arm.
Can foreign clubs still arrange a pre-transfer agreement with Fabio outside the January transfer window? I have a feeling they can!
Anyway plenty of incentive for Fabio to perform for the remainder of the season which is a positive for us.
Liverpool is the wrong club. Klopp would barely use him at this age and he would sit on the bench and be used sporadically. Between now and the season end Fulham should pull all the stops out to show him that his place is here and give him a massive improved contract to ward off all competition. I'm thinking in the £20million ball park.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 04, 2022, 01:43:27 PM
Liverpool is the wrong club. Klopp would barely use him at this age and he would sit on the bench and be used sporadically. Between now and the season end Fulham should pull all the stops out to show him that his place is here and give him a massive improved contract to ward off all competition. I'm thinking in the £20million ball park.
Err you want us to pay him £400,000 per week? Seriously?
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on February 04, 2022, 12:13:17 PM
Just my view but why would he want to move now while under contact and force the buyer to pay a fee when he can sign out of contact and pick up a bumper signing on fee!
The only negative in waiting is, he has to see out the season without injury but surely several million £'s for signing as an out of contract player is worth the risk?
Has happened before that interest cools in a player. If Liverpool turn elsewhere and sign a player that would mean that the move was off.
Depends on how he rates himself and how set he is on Liverpool as a destination.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 04, 2022, 01:43:27 PM
Liverpool is the wrong club. Klopp would barely use him at this age and he would sit on the bench and be used sporadically. Between now and the season end Fulham should pull all the stops out to show him that his place is here and give him a massive improved contract to ward off all competition. I'm thinking in the £20million ball park.
I disagree, Klopp has shown a commitment to field young players if they're good enough. Think of Alexander-Arnold, Jones and of course Harvey Elliott, who was starting games before his injury.
Of course he'd be better off continuing to develop with us, but I wouldn't blame him for going there. If he was to go to the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Real Madrid etc., he'd definitely struggle for gametime.
I heard he had the pen in is hand and was about to sign but at that vetry moment he saw a flash of awe inspiring light and a heavenly voice said 'don't do it, you will not like it and you will be unhappy, stay where you are wanted and needed and help build a bright new future for yourself by the banks of the river Thames.'
And with that he layed down that pen, stood up and walked back to craven cottage.
Quote from: ALG01 on February 04, 2022, 03:26:44 PM
I heard he had the pen in is hand and was about to sign but at that vetry moment he saw a flash of awe inspiring light and a heavenly voice said 'don't do it, you will not like it and you will be unhappy, stay where you are wanted and needed and help build a bright new future for yourself by the banks of the river Thames.'
And with that he layed down that pen, stood up and walked back to craven cottage.
True story! 049:gif
Marco's adopted him
Quote from: ALG01 on February 04, 2022, 03:26:44 PM
I heard he had the pen in is hand and was about to sign but at that vetry moment he saw a flash of awe inspiring light and a heavenly voice said 'don't do it, you will not like it and you will be unhappy, stay where you are wanted and needed and help build a bright new future for yourself by the banks of the river Thames.'
And with that he layed down that pen, stood up and walked back to craven cottage.
So pretty much what I said earlier then.
Quote from: Twig on February 04, 2022, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 04, 2022, 01:43:27 PM
Liverpool is the wrong club. Klopp would barely use him at this age and he would sit on the bench and be used sporadically. Between now and the season end Fulham should pull all the stops out to show him that his place is here and give him a massive improved contract to ward off all competition. I'm thinking in the £20million ball park.
Err you want us to pay him £400,000 per week? Seriously?
Twiglet. Carvalho is a free agent in the summer. Signing a 19 year-old talent such as he £20million is the going rate and is generous but realistic. The wages would be in the higher tens of thousands which I was not referring to. If you can get any out-of-contract player of the calibré of Fabio Carvalho tell me how much Fulham would need to spend to ward off the Liverpools & Spurs' and their perceived status. Let's be honest, £20million for Carvalho is a bargain!
I got the boys to have a word in his shell like.
Ola Fabio
I've just come back from a few days in New Brighton (across the Mersey from Liverpool.)
Don't go - seriously mateo!! Pleeez don't go!!
How about a good deal for everyone:
New contract with higher salary
£2M sign bonus
£15M buy out clause within the first 10 months
In that way, Fabio potentially gets 2x sign on bonus and we still get a transfer sum.
It will also guarantee Fabio that any club that signs him is serious about him playing rather than sign him because he is free.
Quote from: ALG01 on February 04, 2022, 03:26:44 PM
I heard he had the pen in is hand and was about to sign but at that vetry moment he saw a flash of awe inspiring light and a heavenly voice said 'don't do it, you will not like it and you will be unhappy, stay where you are wanted and needed and help build a bright new future for yourself by the banks of the river Thames.'
And with that he layed down that pen, stood up and walked back to craven cottage.
I hope we don't play him for a couple of weeks, then, as he'll be knackered. It's a good 200-odd miles from Anfield to the Cottage.
