Their manager went absolutely mad at the sending off. I watched on line and I couldn't see the contact clearly. Was the ref correct? The commentators from Swansea had serious doubts, no surprise there then. Each goal was greeted with many groans....not from me though. No surprise there then either.... :022:
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Looks a red to me on the replays, studs up and late.
Yes it was because the Referee showed the player a Red card simple as that
If you go in for a challenge with studs showing and make any type of contact with the opponent then it's usually a straight red. I think if VAR was in use(which we'll have to get used to next season) then the referee hasn't made a clear and obvious error
By the letter of the law, yes. But challenges like this do often end up with yellows, so one can question consistency.
In real time i thought it was harsh. the replay showed the ref got it 100% correct.
Studs up, out of control and a bit late.
IMO this is classic of todays tackling, no intent to hurt, just a very poor attempt.
Red
Quote from: ALG01 on March 09, 2022, 01:31:32 PM
In real time i thought it was harsh. the replay showed the ref got it 100% correct.
Studs up, out of control and a bit late.
IMO this is classic of todays tackling, no intent to hurt, just a very poor attempt.
Exactly, reckless. Correct and good decision IMO I know still pics can mislead but look at the BBC (https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/976/cpsprodpb/8048/production/_123604823_shutterstock_editorial_12839076af.jpg)
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 09, 2022, 01:33:23 PM
Quote from: ALG01 on March 09, 2022, 01:31:32 PM
In real time i thought it was harsh. the replay showed the ref got it 100% correct.
Studs up, out of control and a bit late.
IMO this is classic of todays tackling, no intent to hurt, just a very poor attempt.
Exactly, reckless. Correct and good decision IMO I know still pics can mislead but look at the BBC (https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/976/cpsprodpb/8048/production/_123604823_shutterstock_editorial_12839076af.jpg)
Correct decision and Swansea will lose any appeal as confirmation
You could see where he caught Wilson halfway doown his calf
Do you remember Robinsons against Chelsea?
Studs up, lunges in from a distance you better be getting the ball or your in trouble.... He was nowhere near the ball so a red!
The Swansea forum is split about 50/50 you know it's red when 50% of there fans agree
That type of tackle can end careers. SUPER RED
Red for me. A dangerous tackle
If it had been Harry's standing leg serious injury if not broken. Straight red any day of the week.
Definate red for me, and a five match ban for the player when Swansea lose their appeal...
Their player has a bit of a history for being a nasty piece of work.Even if it was not a sending off its about time we were given something.We should get a few more if what they say is true and things even up over the course of the season.
At 1st i didn't think it was, but on 2nd look absolutely. Late, dangerous and high, (kinda like me most of the time).
That was a 'leg breaker' all day long, 100% red. Manning second red this season, likely to get 4 match ban.
Why anyone needs to see the stud marks on Wilson's leg, I don't know.
Like many others my first reaction was that it was more of a yellow and that the red was a bit harsh. Seeing replays it was a crystal clear red card. The referee was well placed and made a correct decision. Any appeal will be turned down quickly, unless Swansea pays good money under the table. Their manager should be embarrased for keeping on about the decision even after having watched replays.
I think Fabio got some really 'rough treatment' too.
Quote from: sunburywhite on March 09, 2022, 01:56:24 PM
You could see where he caught Wilson halfway doown his calf
Do you remember Robinsons against Chelsea?
Yes I do. That was a red definitely
Last night was uncontrolled and reckless. I have no idea what sort of contact was made. But I think if a Fulham player had done the same tackle on a Swansea player we wouldn't be asking if it deserved a red. We would look at it and call the player committing the foul foolish for attempting a lunge in that area of the pitch.
Quote from: rebel on March 09, 2022, 03:05:21 PM
I think Fabio got some really 'rough treatment' too.
Fab is getting roughed every week as is Harry, about time refs protected them. What annoys me is the professional foul done in the opening minutes of a game for which only a free kick is given which would be a yellow at any other time.
Anyone see the young Welsh lad with a 13min vid of the game? I get the impression he didn't think it was a red card.... :022:
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Clear red for me. Thought it was worse than the tackle Tosin was sent off for. A fair number of these challenges are getting red but of course there will be inconsistencies. The assessment of the level of recklessness and danger in the tackle is always going to be subjective and give rise to inconsistencies - plus you have referees bottling big decisions. So I'm afraid inconsistencies are inevitable.
Red all day long.Not a shadow of a doubt.
The player not in control Reckless Red
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Quote from: rebel on March 09, 2022, 03:05:21 PM
I think Fabio got some really 'rough treatment' too.
Fab is getting roughed every week as is Harry, about time refs protected them. What annoys me is the professional foul done in the opening minutes of a game for which only a free kick is given which would be a yellow at any other time.
Seems to happen to us every game now.
I just watched the Swansea extended highlights and it was a clear red card.
Also worth noting that Mitrovic should have had a penalty, he scores the header if he wasn't being held.
Here are the highlights: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fw9cX5jz6yc
Quote from: Sting of the North on March 09, 2022, 03:00:36 PM
Like many others my first reaction was that it was more of a yellow and that the red was a bit harsh. Seeing replays it was a crystal clear red card. The referee was well placed and made a correct decision. Any appeal will be turned down quickly, unless Swansea pays good money under the table. Their manager should be embarrased for keeping on about the decision even after having watched replays.
+ 1
Quote from: Bill2 on March 09, 2022, 04:02:49 PM
Quote from: rebel on March 09, 2022, 03:05:21 PM
I think Fabio got some really 'rough treatment' too.
Fab is getting roughed every week as is Harry, about time refs protected them. What annoys me is the professional foul done in the opening minutes of a game for which only a free kick is given which would be a yellow at any other time.
Yep shouldn't matter if it's 1 st minute or last minute, a foul is a foul. It sets different standards of punishment, the football powers need to look at this.
Quote from: KJS on March 09, 2022, 01:25:15 PM
Yes it was because the Referee showed the player a Red card simple as that
Agreed.....and the ref was a lot nearer than us.
Loved this contradiction in the Thursday reports, they explained it was never a red then mentioned:
'It should be noted both coaches felt the Manning tackle wasn't a red card, as do we here at Swansea Independent, so we will wait and see the outcome of the appeal which lets be honest is quite a gamble.'
It'll be interesting to see the outcome of the appeal.
It was a reckless challenge and administering a Red Card was the correct decision.
Obvious red
110%
In the old days maybe not
Nowadays absolutely
Lucky he didn't do him more damage, Harry got very lucky
Swansea fans are idiots
Breaking news....Swansea have lost their appeal to have Manning's red card overturned...quite rightly so imo
I bet if the roles were reversed and our player only got a yellow the Swansea manager would have been screaming for a red.
Def red for me to the ref was quite close and spotted also he's probably the best ref in the championship.
I love the illogical last comment the Swansea manager makes. He doesn't believe it was high or hard but when you slow it down it looks worse than it is apparently. Few occasions when looking at something carefully and slowed down shows a false conclusion.
Speaking immediately after the game he described the red card as "a really poor decision" which he said "ruined the game", but having lost the appeal now accepts both player and club need to move on.
"I'm not overly surprised. I think we still had some hope it would be overturned," said Martin.
"I was told it was high, it wasn't high. We were told it was excessive force, it wasn't that.
"It was disappointing. Ryan has to learn from it as well. When you slow it down and look at stills it looks really poor. It is what it is. He has to miss four games now. He's been excellent for us. But I think he'll learn from it."
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 11, 2022, 10:09:46 AM
I love the illogical last comment the Swansea manager makes. He doesn't believe it was high or hard but when you slow it down it looks worse than it is apparently. Few occasions when looking at something carefully and slowed down shows a false conclusion.
Speaking immediately after the game he described the red card as "a really poor decision" which he said "ruined the game", but having lost the appeal now accepts both player and club need to move on.
"I'm not overly surprised. I think we still had some hope it would be overturned," said Martin.
"I was told it was high, it wasn't high. We were told it was excessive force, it wasn't that.
"It was disappointing. Ryan has to learn from it as well. When you slow it down and look at stills it looks really poor. It is what it is. He has to miss four games now. He's been excellent for us. But I think he'll learn from it."
I thought it was five games he misses? Three for the red, an extra one because he was sent off last month and a further one for the lost appeal?
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Quote from: Lighthouse on March 11, 2022, 10:09:46 AM
I love the illogical last comment the Swansea manager makes. He doesn't believe it was high or hard but when you slow it down it looks worse than it is apparently. Few occasions when looking at something carefully and slowed down shows a false conclusion.
Speaking immediately after the game he described the red card as "a really poor decision" which he said "ruined the game", but having lost the appeal now accepts both player and club need to move on.
"I'm not overly surprised. I think we still had some hope it would be overturned," said Martin.
"I was told it was high, it wasn't high. We were told it was excessive force, it wasn't that.
"It was disappointing. Ryan has to learn from it as well. When you slow it down and look at stills it looks really poor. It is what it is. He has to miss four games now. He's been excellent for us. But I think he'll learn from it."
I thought it was five games he misses? Three for the red, an extra one because he was sent off last month and a further one for the lost appeal?
If the appeal is deemed to be frivolous.
Aside from their manager, most of the comments I read today from their fans accept it was a fair cop. Their concern is mostly that this is the player's second offence in a very short time and if he does not stop doing this, he does not have a future with them.
Quote from: perry geyton on March 11, 2022, 01:30:39 AM
110%
Swansea fans are idiots
I'll add jamie Mackie to your idiot list but I think we knew that already...........
Manning appeal turned down, banned for 4 games
