Quote from: bencher on July 15, 2022, 07:10:55 AMYou've got more chance of winning the lottery.
Here is my predicted starting 11 (not our best 11):
Gazzaniga
Tete Tosin Ream Bryan
Palhinha Chalobah
Cairney
Wilson Muniz BDR
I would really like to see a few promising youngsters get some minutes, especially Luke Harris, Jay Stansfield and Ollie O'Neill.
Quote from: ianthailand on July 15, 2022, 07:38:17 AMQuote from: bencher on July 15, 2022, 07:10:55 AMYou've got more chance of winning the lottery.
Here is my predicted starting 11 (not our best 11):
Gazzaniga
Tete Tosin Ream Bryan
Palhinha Chalobah
Cairney
Wilson Muniz BDR
I would really like to see a few promising youngsters get some minutes, especially Luke Harris, Jay Stansfield and Ollie O'Neill.
Quote from: bencher on July 15, 2022, 07:52:27 AMQuote from: ianthailand on July 15, 2022, 07:38:17 AMQuote from: bencher on July 15, 2022, 07:10:55 AMYou've got more chance of winning the lottery.
Here is my predicted starting 11 (not our best 11):
Gazzaniga
Tete Tosin Ream Bryan
Palhinha Chalobah
Cairney
Wilson Muniz BDR
I would really like to see a few promising youngsters get some minutes, especially Luke Harris, Jay Stansfield and Ollie O'Neill.
I forget who we played in our last friendly in the summer of 2018, but it was the first time I'd seen MLM or Fabri, and I knew straight away we'd be in trouble with those 2 as regulars.
So perhaps it's a good omen we don't have any new GK or CB to crush our hopes just yet.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on July 15, 2022, 10:21:54 AM
Will probably see two different line ups, 1 in each half
Quote from: Classic94 on July 15, 2022, 11:15:30 AM
Hoping to see a few of the youngsters involved. Larkeche, Pajaziti, O'Neill, Harris, Stansfield etc.
Quote from: MickTheBeard on July 15, 2022, 10:03:51 PM
Kabano,anonymous,Ivan the terrible and the duff from Brighton, as were short of numbers in the squad they helped take us down last time they can do it again,possibly 100 mill of rubbish assembled,a lot of championship clubs would love that sort of money to mount a challenge to win the league.This is for Dof love in brigade if we had that money now what would that buy us.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 15, 2022, 10:07:35 PMQuote from: MickTheBeard on July 15, 2022, 10:03:51 PM
Kabano,anonymous,Ivan the terrible and the duff from Brighton, as were short of numbers in the squad they helped take us down last time they can do it again,possibly 100 mill of rubbish assembled,a lot of championship clubs would love that sort of money to mount a challenge to win the league.This is for Dof love in brigade if we had that money now what would that buy us.
Why do you support Fulham if you only ever come on here to have an incoherent rant about everything the club does?
Quote from: sarnian on July 15, 2022, 11:04:56 PM
I don't know if it's the same Mickey who often gets deleted on another message board. Others may know.
Quote from: MickTheBeard on July 15, 2022, 10:03:51 PM
Kabano,anonymous,Ivan the terrible and the duff from Brighton, as were short of numbers in the squad they helped take us down last time they can do it again,possibly 100 mill of rubbish assembled,a lot of championship clubs would love that sort of money to mount a challenge to win the league.This is for Dof love in brigade if we had that money now what would that buy us.
Quote from: MickTheBeard on July 15, 2022, 10:03:51 PM
Kabano,anonymous,Ivan the terrible and the duff from Brighton, as were short of numbers in the squad they helped take us down last time they can do it again,possibly 100 mill of rubbish assembled,a lot of championship clubs would love that sort of money to mount a challenge to win the league.This is for Dof love in brigade if we had that money now what would that buy us.
Quote from: Hatch007 on July 16, 2022, 12:38:10 AM
Mick, have you heard of punctuation, sentences and paragraphs? 🧐
Quote from: Takemehome27 on July 16, 2022, 11:59:13 AMYou're no good for Centre Half then!Quote from: Hatch007 on July 16, 2022, 12:38:10 AM
Mick, have you heard of punctuation, sentences and paragraphs? 🧐
I thought it was just me having a senior moment but I also found his post extremely hard to read...my head hurts now :022:
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on July 16, 2022, 02:20:05 PM
A nice bit of warm weather training....even though it's currently hotter than the sun everywhere....which I'll also add into the mix to blame the Khan's....what have the Khan's ever done for us
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 16, 2022, 02:49:05 PM
The thing is, it is true not only of Football MBs. But we live very much in a victim culture. Somebody has to be to blame for things not going how we want them. Weather too hot, not my fault but everybody else's for their carbon footprint. No water, not my fault but everybody else for using too much. We end up blaming people and then giving advice as if we have any power at all within whatever system we are complaining about.
Hence the repeated complaints about not buying the right players, enough of them, not spending enough. spending too much.
It is just easier complaining. As a consistent complainer why do I need to do anything but complain. It is all out of my hands anyway. However repeating the same complaint over and over and over again doesn't get us anywhere but miserable and annoyed when fellow fans don't agree. Well it's their fault for not agreeing with me.
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How we're lining up in the Algarve. #FFC pic.twitter.com/Fnh3syCXnD
Quote from: ianthailand on July 16, 2022, 07:17:32 PM
On FFCTV for UK residents.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on July 16, 2022, 07:32:50 PMQuote from: ianthailand on July 16, 2022, 07:17:32 PM
On FFCTV for UK residents.
Supposedly - but I can't find it on FFC TV.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on July 16, 2022, 07:36:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQUN7gcieQA&ab_channel=EduNews
dunno if this is gonna work?
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 16, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
Can we please not have any really reactionary posts if we lose this game - Nice are playing their strongest team pretty much and we've got 3 first team players on the pitch from the start
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 16, 2022, 08:46:24 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on July 16, 2022, 08:13:57 PM
Can we please not have any really reactionary posts if we lose this game - Nice are playing their strongest team pretty much and we've got 3 first team players on the pitch from the start
What's the score then? Got me worried saying this preemptively....
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 08:54:03 PMYeah that was an insane save.
Odutayo with an amazing headed clearance to prevent a certain goal
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 09:03:12 PMHe's only 19 - still growing! He is defo a class player on tonight's showing
If Odutayo was taller, he'd be worth 20mil...
Quote from: F(f)CUK on July 16, 2022, 09:04:02 PM
No 59 has stood out with a class tackle regarded as a foul and his stunning clearance off of the line.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on July 16, 2022, 08:36:55 PM
Only available for FFCtv subscribers in the UK unfortunately. I'd just be glad to see the line up at least!!
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 16, 2022, 09:07:31 PM
Number #14 of Nice costs Fulham's defenders a lot of troubles from the right wing. They had hard time handling him in the first half.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 16, 2022, 09:05:32 PMQuote from: F(f)CUK on July 16, 2022, 09:04:02 PM
No 59 has stood out with a class tackle regarded as a foul and his stunning clearance off of the line.
Yeah that irritated me that they gave a free-kick in a really dangerous position for that tackle because it was perfect but the linesman flagged stupidly quickly for it
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 09:08:52 PM
Macavoy, the other young center back hasn't done much wrong, but Odutayo has stood out
Quote from: Logicalman on July 16, 2022, 09:08:38 PMSadly went down that route a while ago but just doesn't work here for some reason...Quote from: Fulham 442 on July 16, 2022, 08:36:55 PM
Only available for FFCtv subscribers in the UK unfortunately. I'd just be glad to see the line up at least!!
Ah, the wonders of VPN then. Just use a VPN to change the browser 'location' to a Country that is permitted, and it works wonders!
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 09:51:23 PM
Excellent leaping tip over the bar by Rodak from an impressive bicycle kick by Nice. Rodak looking very assured so far
Quote from: dfwilson84 on July 16, 2022, 09:52:35 PM
:wow:Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 09:51:23 PM
Excellent leaping tip over the bar by Rodak from an impressive bicycle kick by Nice. Rodak looking very assured so far
Impressed with Andy delort. Had a couple chances since he's been on. Looked him up and he scored 18 in the league last season.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 10:00:03 PM
Pereira on & another I don't recognize, who may be Tiehi?
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 16, 2022, 09:56:32 PM
Palhina is a Portugese reincarnation of Kmac, he even runs about like him
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 16, 2022, 10:10:37 PM
What does everyone think about the Nice defenders?
Some of them have very good size and pace. Would like to see one of them play beside Tosin.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 10:13:17 PM
Fulham 2-0 Nice at 94 min, and now...
Penalties!?
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 10:20:54 PM
Is Mario Lemina there?!
It looked like Lemina (in street clothes) was talking w/Joe Bryan at the end
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 16, 2022, 10:41:01 PM
I only saw the 2nd half. No mention on here (I think) about McAvoy.
How was he ?
Quote from: Tabby on July 16, 2022, 10:42:36 PMQuote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 16, 2022, 10:41:01 PM
I only saw the 2nd half. No mention on here (I think) about McAvoy.
How was he ?
Did what he needed to do without a lot of fuss. Good workmanlike performance. Odutayo was a bit wilder and got caught out a couple of times.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 16, 2022, 09:08:38 PMQuote from: Fulham 442 on July 16, 2022, 08:36:55 PM
Only available for FFCtv subscribers in the UK unfortunately. I'd just be glad to see the line up at least!!
Ah, the wonders of VPN then. Just use a VPN to change the browser 'location' to a Country that is permitted, and it works wonders!
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 10:44:00 PM
Mcavoy had an Aaron Hughes-esque performance.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 10:33:19 PM
Interesting to see how much pressing Stansfield did. Non-stop running w/out the ball, pestering their defenders & constantly cutting off the passing lane between their CB's. Clearly, Marco had scouted them and drilled him to keep the Nice CB's from passing to each other, so they had trouble building from the back
Quote from: bog on July 16, 2022, 08:53:57 PMWhat an exciting life you lead Mr Bog. All summer waiting for 'Team In' on the Offal.
Oh how I have missed that posting of 'Team in'! :54: :clap_hands:
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Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 09:08:52 PMAgree re: McAvoy he looked very composed all match.
Macavoy, the other young center back hasn't done much wrong, but Odutayo has stood out
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 16, 2022, 10:41:01 PM
I only saw the 2nd half. No mention on here (I think) about McAvoy.
How was he ?
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 16, 2022, 10:44:00 PMYou're bang on MAF. Very calm and assured.
Mcavoy had an Aaron Hughes-esque performance.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 17, 2022, 07:08:40 AM
I know it was only one pre season friendly but I thought all the young starters ( Fossey, McAvoy, Odutayo, Jasper, Harris,Stansfield) all played very well and certainly show we don't need a huge amount of depth signings especially with the increase in number of subs... what ever our budget is let's use it on a cb and keeper paying for a bit more quality.
Quote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 07:39:18 AMI actually think he is right. If we have to consider a squad of 26-28 players due to 9 subs rule then having some, not all, of these young players is smart: good economics, good motivation for the academy and good business as boosts values for sell on. Will they start, other than Caribou Cup? No of course not but some will get regular minutes doing a job; pressing in last 10, shoring up midfield for last 5 minutes. These are young men too, not kids, why not try them over some €5 million Turkish or Swiss guy you have never heard of who get exactly the same game time.Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 17, 2022, 07:08:40 AM
I know it was only one pre season friendly but I thought all the young starters ( Fossey, McAvoy, Odutayo, Jasper, Harris,Stansfield) all played very well and certainly show we don't need a huge amount of depth signings especially with the increase in number of subs... what ever our budget is let's use it on a cb and keeper paying for a bit more quality.
I hope your not suggesting that the 'young starters' would provide depth. Because they wouldn't, a friendly against Nice is one thing, the 'cut and thrust' of the Premiership is another 'beast'.
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 17, 2022, 01:02:14 AMSadly we have tried several times to use a VPN but it just doesn't work here....Quote from: Logicalman on July 16, 2022, 09:08:38 PMQuote from: Fulham 442 on July 16, 2022, 08:36:55 PM
Only available for FFCtv subscribers in the UK unfortunately. I'd just be glad to see the line up at least!!
Ah, the wonders of VPN then. Just use a VPN to change the browser 'location' to a Country that is permitted, and it works wonders!
Nice one.
Quote from: YoungsBitter on July 17, 2022, 08:01:54 AMQuote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 07:39:18 AMI actually think he is right. If we have to consider a squad of 26-28 players due to 9 subs rule then having some, not all, of these young players is smart: good economics, good motivation for the academy and good business as boosts values for sell on. Will they start, other than Caribou Cup? No of course not but some will get regular minutes doing a job; pressing in last 10, shoring up midfield for last 5 minutes. These are young men too, not kids, why not try them over some €5 million Turkish or Swiss guy you have never heard of who get exactly the same game time.Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 17, 2022, 07:08:40 AM
I know it was only one pre season friendly but I thought all the young starters ( Fossey, McAvoy, Odutayo, Jasper, Harris,Stansfield) all played very well and certainly show we don't need a huge amount of depth signings especially with the increase in number of subs... what ever our budget is let's use it on a cb and keeper paying for a bit more quality.
I hope your not suggesting that the 'young starters' would provide depth. Because they wouldn't, a friendly against Nice is one thing, the 'cut and thrust' of the Premiership is another 'beast'.
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Quote from: ianthailand on July 17, 2022, 04:28:03 AMQuote from: bog on July 16, 2022, 08:53:57 PMWhat an exciting life you lead Mr Bog. All summer waiting for 'Team In' on the Offal.
Oh how I have missed that posting of 'Team in'! :54: :clap_hands:
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Quote from: Motspur Park on July 17, 2022, 08:41:38 AMQuote from: YoungsBitter on July 17, 2022, 08:01:54 AMQuote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 07:39:18 AMI actually think he is right. If we have to consider a squad of 26-28 players due to 9 subs rule then having some, not all, of these young players is smart: good economics, good motivation for the academy and good business as boosts values for sell on. Will they start, other than Caribou Cup? No of course not but some will get regular minutes doing a job; pressing in last 10, shoring up midfield for last 5 minutes. These are young men too, not kids, why not try them over some €5 million Turkish or Swiss guy you have never heard of who get exactly the same game time.Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 17, 2022, 07:08:40 AM
I know it was only one pre season friendly but I thought all the young starters ( Fossey, McAvoy, Odutayo, Jasper, Harris,Stansfield) all played very well and certainly show we don't need a huge amount of depth signings especially with the increase in number of subs... what ever our budget is let's use it on a cb and keeper paying for a bit more quality.
I hope your not suggesting that the 'young starters' would provide depth. Because they wouldn't, a friendly against Nice is one thing, the 'cut and thrust' of the Premiership is another 'beast'.
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I agree entirely. How will we ever keep any of our academy if we never give them a chance? How many have gone on to have careers at the top level? Quite a few now. We need to give the best of our academy hope otherwise they will continue to decline contracts. The club will be aware of who is likely to make the step up.
Quote from: YoungsBitter on July 17, 2022, 08:01:54 AMQuote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 07:39:18 AMI actually think he is right. If we have to consider a squad of 26-28 players due to 9 subs rule then having some, not all, of these young players is smart: good economics, good motivation for the academy and good business as boosts values for sell on. Will they start, other than Caribou Cup? No of course not but some will get regular minutes doing a job; pressing in last 10, shoring up midfield for last 5 minutes. These are young men too, not kids, why not try them over some €5 million Turkish or Swiss guy you have never heard of who get exactly the same game time.Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 17, 2022, 07:08:40 AM
I know it was only one pre season friendly but I thought all the young starters ( Fossey, McAvoy, Odutayo, Jasper, Harris,Stansfield) all played very well and certainly show we don't need a huge amount of depth signings especially with the increase in number of subs... what ever our budget is let's use it on a cb and keeper paying for a bit more quality.
I hope your not suggesting that the 'young starters' would provide depth. Because they wouldn't, a friendly against Nice is one thing, the 'cut and thrust' of the Premiership is another 'beast'.
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Quote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 07:35:01 AMlast night the clearance and general overall defence attitude was nothing shall pass to a man and clearly motivated by Silva to have that result.
Great clearance off the line by Odutayo, I think he was the best of the young starters, looked very solid, literally.
Quote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 09:40:22 AMQuote from: YoungsBitter on July 17, 2022, 08:01:54 AMQuote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 07:39:18 AMI actually think he is right. If we have to consider a squad of 26-28 players due to 9 subs rule then having some, not all, of these young players is smart: good economics, good motivation for the academy and good business as boosts values for sell on. Will they start, other than Caribou Cup? No of course not but some will get regular minutes doing a job; pressing in last 10, shoring up midfield for last 5 minutes. These are young men too, not kids, why not try them over some €5 million Turkish or Swiss guy you have never heard of who get exactly the same game time.Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 17, 2022, 07:08:40 AM
I know it was only one pre season friendly but I thought all the young starters ( Fossey, McAvoy, Odutayo, Jasper, Harris,Stansfield) all played very well and certainly show we don't need a huge amount of depth signings especially with the increase in number of subs... what ever our budget is let's use it on a cb and keeper paying for a bit more quality.
I hope your not suggesting that the 'young starters' would provide depth. Because they wouldn't, a friendly against Nice is one thing, the 'cut and thrust' of the Premiership is another 'beast'.
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Unless they have 'ridiculous' ability and be able to step up, like Carvalho it isn't going to happen. Silva didn't do it in the Championship, he certainly won't be doing it ion the Premiership. I know what you guys are saying, just isn't going to happen, loans yes, but nothing more.
Sessegnon didn't get a look in, in the Championship. If we are 'batting' in the Premiership, we need that experience.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 17, 2022, 10:57:29 AMQuote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 09:40:22 AMQuote from: YoungsBitter on July 17, 2022, 08:01:54 AMQuote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 07:39:18 AMI actually think he is right. If we have to consider a squad of 26-28 players due to 9 subs rule then having some, not all, of these young players is smart: good economics, good motivation for the academy and good business as boosts values for sell on. Will they start, other than Caribou Cup? No of course not but some will get regular minutes doing a job; pressing in last 10, shoring up midfield for last 5 minutes. These are young men too, not kids, why not try them over some €5 million Turkish or Swiss guy you have never heard of who get exactly the same game time.Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 17, 2022, 07:08:40 AM
I know it was only one pre season friendly but I thought all the young starters ( Fossey, McAvoy, Odutayo, Jasper, Harris,Stansfield) all played very well and certainly show we don't need a huge amount of depth signings especially with the increase in number of subs... what ever our budget is let's use it on a cb and keeper paying for a bit more quality.
I hope your not suggesting that the 'young starters' would provide depth. Because they wouldn't, a friendly against Nice is one thing, the 'cut and thrust' of the Premiership is another 'beast'.
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Unless they have 'ridiculous' ability and be able to step up, like Carvalho it isn't going to happen. Silva didn't do it in the Championship, he certainly won't be doing it ion the Premiership. I know what you guys are saying, just isn't going to happen, loans yes, but nothing more.
Sessegnon didn't get a look in, in the Championship. If we are 'batting' in the Premiership, we need that experience.
Except at the start of the season he did with Francois playing the opening game, and he put plenty of youngsters in for the carabao cup when he could've used the squad depth pro's. We'll also never know if any of the youngsters are likely to make it if they're never given a chance - Parker should've played Fab about 6 months earlier than he did, and once he did it was apparent that Fab was more than good enough. We've got some very highly rated players still here and if we don't try them out we'll never know if they make the grade; look at Spence and Omar Richards as two players we released without trying in the first team and both are now in the PL so clearly there are lots of players we're producing going on to make the trade. We as a club just need to braver in using them ourselves, which in fairness does come with PL stability as a better way to progress them into a first team environment
Quote from: rebel on July 17, 2022, 07:35:01 AM
Great clearance off the line by Odutayo, I think he was the best of the young starters, looked very solid, literally.
Quote from: bencher on July 17, 2022, 10:59:44 AM
I don't think the Spence and Richards examples are fair. They both left far too early to have been involved in the first team, and when Spence left he was perceived to be behind a couple of other prospects.
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 17, 2022, 12:46:32 PM
Odutayo's clearance was top notch, but it was also concerning how easily Bilall Brahimi (number #14 of Nice), got past him a few seconds prior, which led to his clearance at the first place. I'm not familiar with Odutayo (I've started following Fulham only this year- still learning the team). I wonder if that was a result of a lack of speed problem or it was more a case of a lack of experience.
You have put this better than I did above. The attacker got to the line and around him a couple of times.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 17, 2022, 01:41:54 PMQuote from: TheCeiling on July 17, 2022, 12:46:32 PMnot living in London these days I only get to see the u21s/U18s on a regular basis so difficult to judge but enjoyed our defensive resolve on occasions like this tour so far.
Odutayo's clearance was top notch, but it was also concerning how easily Bilall Brahimi (number #14 of Nice), got past him a few seconds prior, which led to his clearance at the first place. I'm not familiar with Odutayo (I've started following Fulham only this year- still learning the team). I wonder if that was a result of a lack of speed problem or it was more a case of a lack of experience.
You have put this better than I did above. The attacker got to the line and around him a couple of times.
Quote from: filham on July 17, 2022, 03:19:53 PM
The big question of course is will FFCtv provide us with the pleasure of Gentleman Jim's company. He was sadly missed last night.
Quote from: filham on July 17, 2022, 03:19:53 PMIs it defo FFTV screening it as in providing the cameras etc? I cant see Jim being on comes tonight
The big question of course is will FFCtv provide us with the pleasure of Gentleman Jim's company. He was sadly missed last night.
Quote from: junior white on July 17, 2022, 03:39:01 PMQuote from: filham on July 17, 2022, 03:19:53 PMIs it defo FFTV screening it as in providing the cameras etc? I cant see Jim being on comes tonight
The big question of course is will FFCtv provide us with the pleasure of Gentleman Jim's company. He was sadly missed last night.
Quote from: WindyCity on July 17, 2022, 03:57:36 PM
I thought Fossey looked particularly good, very impressed. Good games also from Harris and Stansfield. Rodak also had nice game.
It's funny how different people see things differently. Apart from earning the first penalty I thought that Harris was very quiet in fact neither he or Stansfield had a decent shot in t.he game. Full marks to Stansfield for his general closing down.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 17, 2022, 01:41:54 PMQuote from: TheCeiling on July 17, 2022, 12:46:32 PM
Odutayo's clearance was top notch, but it was also concerning how easily Bilall Brahimi (number #14 of Nice), got past him a few seconds prior, which led to his clearance at the first place. I'm not familiar with Odutayo (I've started following Fulham only this year- still learning the team). I wonder if that was a result of a lack of speed problem or it was more a case of a lack of experience.
You have put this better than I did above. The attacker got to the line and around him a couple of times.
Didn't want to risk getting penalised by that ref?
That clearance showed incredible determination, awareness and speed of movement, and bravery, though, especially in a friendly, though he was likely keen to impress the manager.
Quote from: riverside stan on July 17, 2022, 06:50:42 PM
I just noticed todays game is on ESPN+ for US fans at 3-15 ET
Quote from: filham on July 17, 2022, 11:51:24 AM
Well I am expecting a full first team line up tonight against Benfica.
Rodak
Tete Tosin Ream Bryan
Cairney Palhinho
Periera
Wilson Mitro BDR
No doubt there will be substitutions includig Munis for Mitro after an hour.
Quote from: filham on July 17, 2022, 11:51:24 AMThat would beat most teams in the Championship as we did with a lesser quality team, but even more below par than Cam Smith scored in the Open today, or should I say over par, that team will ensure we finish 20th!!
Well I am expecting a full first team line up tonight against Benfica.
Rodak
Tete Tosin Ream Bryan
Cairney Palhinho
Periera
Wilson Mitro BDR
No doubt there will be substitutions includig Munis for Mitro after an hour.
Quote from: filham on July 17, 2022, 06:16:40 PMWedid get commentary for most of the game then it disappeared from my feed. Match on Hesgoal again tonight or 0215 here in Thailand.
Did we get a commentary with Hesgoal last night.
Quote from: Syd Cupp on July 17, 2022, 08:03:55 PM
http://www.hesgoal.com/
may be a bit early but think this is the link
http://www.hesgoal.com/news/107798/Benfica_vs_Fulham.html
Quote from: andyk on July 17, 2022, 08:23:56 PMAnyone at fault?
First attack, first shot, 1-0 down. Its deja vue all over again
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 17, 2022, 08:30:09 PMQuote from: andyk on July 17, 2022, 08:23:56 PMAnyone at fault?
First attack, first shot, 1-0 down. Its deja vue all over again
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Quote from: Blawarmy on July 17, 2022, 08:30:09 PMQuote from: andyk on July 17, 2022, 08:23:56 PMAnyone at fault?
First attack, first shot, 1-0 down. Its deja vue all over again
Sent from my SM-G990B using Tapatalk Didn't see it but probably Gazza, Tete, Ream or Bryan
Quote from: Bokonon on July 17, 2022, 08:34:55 PM
The play was all down our right side, not sure where Ream and Bryan are much at fault. EDIT: I'd say it was Tete, Palhinha, or Tosin.
Quote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 08:38:01 PMQuote from: Bokonon on July 17, 2022, 08:34:55 PM
The play was all down our right side, not sure where Ream and Bryan are much at fault. EDIT: I'd say it was Tete, Palhinha, or Tosin.
If anyone is at fault it would be someone not picking up the trailing runner out of midfield but it's probably down to the ball bouncing to the right player for Benfica.
Quote from: andyk on July 17, 2022, 08:40:46 PM
First corner, First uncontested header, 2-0 down. It's deja Vue all over again and again
Quote from: The Cravenette on July 17, 2022, 08:42:03 PM
Well clearly Benfica are a much better team than Nice, but the defending is a worry.
Quote from: The Cravenette on July 17, 2022, 08:42:03 PMWe haven't bought anyone. We knew we needed at least 3/4 defenders.
Well clearly Benfica are a much better team than Nice, but the defending is a worry.
Quote from: The Cravenette on July 17, 2022, 08:42:03 PM
Well clearly Benfica are a much better team than Nice, but the defending is a worry.
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 17, 2022, 08:39:26 PM
schucks, quality corner and quality goal...but Gazza...not good enough.
Quote from: The Cravenette on July 17, 2022, 08:42:03 PMTo be honest, Nice have created some very good chances against us as well. There were some red flags already there.
Well clearly Benfica are a much better team than Nice, but the defending is a worry.
Quote from: Milo on July 17, 2022, 08:53:27 PM
Pay the £15m for Leno tomorrow and focus on a CB ASAP.
I know we shouldn't react too much to friendlies but this really is ominous!
Quote from: Milo on July 17, 2022, 08:53:27 PM
Pay the £15m for Leno tomorrow and focus on a CB ASAP.
I know we shouldn't react too much to friendlies but this really is ominous!
Quote from: riverside stan on July 17, 2022, 08:51:48 PM
sorry last two were Tosin fault ......plus the keeper...numbers on fulham twitter mean nothing
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 17, 2022, 08:57:08 PM
I just heard Cairneys name mentioned.
I didnt realise he was playing for the first 35 minutes
More anonymous than Lord Lucan
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 17, 2022, 08:57:58 PM
Benfica is a good team, but they by no means should dominant us that much. Sometimes those wake up call games are good even more than some winnings. There is still plenty of time in this game. I want the team to level up and show they belong.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 17, 2022, 08:55:07 PMQuote from: Milo on July 17, 2022, 08:53:27 PM
Pay the £15m for Leno tomorrow and focus on a CB ASAP.
I know we shouldn't react too much to friendlies but this really is ominous!
Overpaying solves nothing and compounds the issue more - the more we overpay for a GK is less money to spend on defenders
Quote from: TC's Sporran on July 17, 2022, 08:57:24 PMQuote from: riverside stan on July 17, 2022, 08:51:48 PM
sorry last two were Tosin fault ......plus the keeper...numbers on fulham twitter mean nothing
ahhhh. my stream is poor quality i cant make out players. are you sure no2 is tosin?
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 17, 2022, 08:57:58 PMLike Boris?😇
Benfica is a good team, but they by no means should dominant us that much. Sometimes those wake up call games are good even more than some winnings. There is still plenty of time in this game. I want the team to level up and show they belong.
Quote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 08:59:53 PM
:wow:Quote from: TheCeiling on July 17, 2022, 08:57:58 PM
Benfica is a good team, but they by no means should dominant us that much. Sometimes those wake up call games are good even more than some winnings. There is still plenty of time in this game. I want the team to level up and show they belong.
I don't think we are being dominated. We have tried to get at their defence and knocked the ball around okay at times. Problem is every time they get the ball, they run at us and we look like we are chasing shadows.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 17, 2022, 08:55:07 PMWe could have signed Strakosha for free but pulled out. Now brentford have him and are in much better shape. The club seem to have put themselves in this pickle so now need to get themselves out of it.Quote from: Milo on July 17, 2022, 08:53:27 PM
Pay the £15m for Leno tomorrow and focus on a CB ASAP.
I know we shouldn't react too much to friendlies but this really is ominous!
Overpaying solves nothing and compounds the issue more - the more we overpay for a GK is less money to spend on defenders
Quote from: Craven Mad on July 17, 2022, 09:02:40 PM
On the upside, Pereira has looked tidier than I expected.
Defence was always going to be woeful. We're expecting a new GK (Leno), RB (Mbabu), CB (Rodon), CB (Szalai), and LB (Pellegrini). Keep the faith.
Quote from: Craven Mad on July 17, 2022, 09:02:40 PM
On the upside, Pereira has looked tidier than I expected.
Defence was always going to be woeful. We're expecting a new GK (Leno), RB (Mbabu), CB (Rodon), CB (Szalai), and LB (Pellegrini). Keep the faith.
Quote from: Jamie88 on July 17, 2022, 09:10:37 PMQuote from: Craven Mad on July 17, 2022, 09:02:40 PM
On the upside, Pereira has looked tidier than I expected.
Defence was always going to be woeful. We're expecting a new GK (Leno), RB (Mbabu), CB (Rodon), CB (Szalai), and LB (Pellegrini). Keep the faith.
Are we 'expecting' those or are the majority simply players that we've been linked with/have an interest in? Because there's an enormous difference!
Quote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 08:59:53 PM
:wow:Quote from: TheCeiling on July 17, 2022, 08:57:58 PM
Benfica is a good team, but they by no means should dominant us that much. Sometimes those wake up call games are good even more than some winnings. There is still plenty of time in this game. I want the team to level up and show they belong.
I don't think we are being dominated. We have tried to get at their defence and knocked the ball around okay at times. Problem is every time they get the ball, they run at us and we look like we are chasing shadows.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on July 17, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
penalty!!!
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 17, 2022, 09:29:17 PMWould have been nice to have had a PL squad ready to give them a good match though.
Also worth pointing out we're playing a team that got to the champions league quarter finals last season and have played more pre season games than us. Yes we've been too open at times but it's not like we're playing Boreham Wood, they're genuinely a very good football team
Quote from: TC's Sporran on July 17, 2022, 09:11:10 PMThought it was the 2nd, didn't we play yesterday????
its the first pre season game. bound to be rusty. its mainly about getting fitness.
Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:38:19 PMQuote from: TC's Sporran on July 17, 2022, 09:11:10 PMThought it was the 2nd, didn't we play yesterday????
its the first pre season game. bound to be rusty. its mainly about getting fitness.
Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:38:19 PMQuote from: TC's Sporran on July 17, 2022, 09:11:10 PMThought it was the 2nd, didn't we play yesterday????
its the first pre season game. bound to be rusty. its mainly about getting fitness.
Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:39:48 PM
What is the latest score please, confused?
Quote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 09:40:36 PMThanks m8, we will suffer far bigger losses when the PL season starts, bit pi$$ed off I couldn't get to watch or listen to any of it through my FFC TV subscription, at least cancelling it will release £60 towards the increase in my electricity bill.Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:39:48 PM
What is the latest score please, confused?
Well as I type this it becomes 5-1 for Benfica.
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 17, 2022, 09:43:02 PM
If Gazzaninga ever plays for us again I will put my house on the opposition
Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:44:43 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 09:40:36 PMThanks m8, we will suffer far bigger losses when the PL season starts, bit pi$$ed off I couldn't get to watch or listen to any of it through my FFC TV subscription, at least cancelling it will release £60 towards the increase in my electricity bill.Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:39:48 PM
What is the latest score please, confused?
Well as I type this it becomes 5-1 for Benfica.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on July 17, 2022, 09:45:19 PMI don't know how much it tells, but I've been watching at least 1 pre-season training video session of each Premier League club and I felt our sessions were looked the least impressive, tempo wise. Players joking around, smiling too much in a middle of training (obviously I'm all in about a positive vibe, but trainings should be a bit similar to military trainings in terms of seriousness). I hope Silva is going to massively increase the level of training after this performance.
just looking at the speed we were tracking back compared to them bombing forward. massive difference in fitness levels.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on July 17, 2022, 09:45:19 PM
just looking at the speed we were tracking back compared to them bombing forward. massive difference in fitness levels.
Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:49:34 PM
My mistake, I can watch it now, glad I missed the first 71 minutes, rant over almost!
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 09:52:02 PMLOL, you know!!Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:49:34 PM
My mistake, I can watch it now, glad I missed the first 71 minutes, rant over almost!
yeah, probably saved your TV from stopping a glass, or two.
Quote from: somerset cockernee on July 17, 2022, 09:51:55 PM
Got a couple of 12 year olds on now
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 09:52:02 PMQuote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:49:34 PM
My mistake, I can watch it now, glad I missed the first 71 minutes, rant over almost!
yeah, probably saved your TV from stopping a glass, or two.
Quote from: somerset cockernee on July 17, 2022, 09:58:14 PMYou are correct, there will be plenty more starting with our first fixture v Liverpool, we can't expect anything less!
I fear this will not be our heaviest defeat,,,,,but hey ho!
Quote from: Texas White on July 17, 2022, 09:56:38 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 09:52:02 PMQuote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 09:49:34 PM
My mistake, I can watch it now, glad I missed the first 71 minutes, rant over almost!
yeah, probably saved your TV from stopping a glass, or two.
I hope this is not the start of a long season..
Quote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
Quote from: davew on July 17, 2022, 10:00:18 PMQuote from: somerset cockernee on July 17, 2022, 09:58:14 PMYou are correct, there will be plenty more starting with our first fixture v Liverpool, we can't expect anything less!
I fear this will not be our heaviest defeat,,,,,but hey ho!
Quote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 09:56:08 PMTyrese Francois
Who came on for Cairney?
Quote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Quote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PMDefensive recruitment needs to be working overtime next week as a matter of urgency.
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
Quote from: love4ffc on July 17, 2022, 10:02:43 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 09:56:08 PMTyrese Francois
Who came on for Cairney?
Quote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:05:49 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
With respect, I'm not certain I can totally agree with you, he's one of three on the coin toss for it.
Quote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:06:43 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:05:49 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
With respect, I'm not certain I can totally agree with you, he's one of three on the coin toss for it.
It's alarming how bad Tosin has played
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:05:49 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
With respect, I'm not certain I can totally agree with you, he's one of three on the coin toss for it.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PMA new keeper and center back would have made little difference to that result, a lot of work to be done in all departments before the start of the season, in particular the new players have to get bedded in.
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Quote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM+1, obvious choice but we are Fulham, will live to regret not signing him, good luck to Forest!
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Quote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:05:09 PM
Pereira is 💯 going to get sent off this season.
Quote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:09:15 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:05:49 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
With respect, I'm not certain I can totally agree with you, he's one of three on the coin toss for it.
Fair enough but I'm curious which of the starting four you didn't include in your three because Tete, Tosin and Bryan were all very poor.
Quote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on July 17, 2022, 10:15:48 PM
Another trophy for the cabinet
Quote from: Matt10 on July 17, 2022, 10:17:36 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:05:09 PM
Pereira is 💯 going to get sent off this season.
His tenacity is incredible. A bit out of control at times, but he backs it up by making great challenges too. There's a bit of a link-up working with Wilson as well. Something to look forward to.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:18:04 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Not for £17m.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:18:47 PMOnly just the best though.......Quote from: Black, White and Fred on July 17, 2022, 10:15:48 PM
Another trophy for the cabinet
Yup, best of the losers trophy!
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:18:04 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Not for £17m.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:20:27 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:18:04 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Not for £17m.
If 17 M would have began our back 4 revival, then it might have been worth it, as others might have been tempted to make up the other three, but currently we don't have a back 4 of Prem standard, and don't look like getting one.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:22:40 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:20:27 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:18:04 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Not for £17m.
If 17 M would have began our back 4 revival, then it might have been worth it, as others might have been tempted to make up the other three, but currently we don't have a back 4 of Prem standard, and don't look like getting one.
For that price we can do better, he's worse defensively than Tete.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:17:51 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:09:15 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:05:49 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
With respect, I'm not certain I can totally agree with you, he's one of three on the coin toss for it.
Fair enough but I'm curious which of the starting four you didn't include in your three because Tete, Tosin and Bryan were all very poor.
For me it would have been Tete, Ream and Bryan in the coin toss, though, tbh, there was no-one covered in glory. If it hadn't been for Palhina's running back the score would have been a lot worse.
Quote from: Jeroen on July 17, 2022, 09:52:28 PM
So what about Muniz? He hasnt featured so far (correct me if I'm wrong)
Stansfield bow replacing mitro, so what is his place next season?
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:24:21 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:22:40 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:20:27 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:18:04 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Not for £17m.
If 17 M would have began our back 4 revival, then it might have been worth it, as others might have been tempted to make up the other three, but currently we don't have a back 4 of Prem standard, and don't look like getting one.
For that price we can do better, he's worse defensively than Tete.
Sorry, cannot agree fully with that mate, he is more versatile than Tete, and if todays performance was anything to go by, then Tete may well be a fail for us.
Quote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:24:33 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:17:51 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:09:15 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:05:49 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
With respect, I'm not certain I can totally agree with you, he's one of three on the coin toss for it.
Fair enough but I'm curious which of the starting four you didn't include in your three because Tete, Tosin and Bryan were all very poor.
For me it would have been Tete, Ream and Bryan in the coin toss, though, tbh, there was no-one covered in glory. If it hadn't been for Palhina's running back the score would have been a lot worse.
Tosin is the one I have hope for but I thought he was very poor in today's outing. Agree about Palhina's tracking back.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:26:25 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:24:21 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:22:40 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:20:27 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:18:04 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Not for £17m.
If 17 M would have began our back 4 revival, then it might have been worth it, as others might have been tempted to make up the other three, but currently we don't have a back 4 of Prem standard, and don't look like getting one.
For that price we can do better, he's worse defensively than Tete.
Sorry, cannot agree fully with that mate, he is more versatile than Tete, and if todays performance was anything to go by, then Tete may well be a fail for us.
Tete was poor today but based on his previous season in the Premier League he's been shown to be fairly solid.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:26:33 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:24:33 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:17:51 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:09:15 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:05:49 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
With respect, I'm not certain I can totally agree with you, he's one of three on the coin toss for it.
Fair enough but I'm curious which of the starting four you didn't include in your three because Tete, Tosin and Bryan were all very poor.
For me it would have been Tete, Ream and Bryan in the coin toss, though, tbh, there was no-one covered in glory. If it hadn't been for Palhina's running back the score would have been a lot worse.
Tosin is the one I have hope for but I thought he was very poor in today's outing. Agree about Palhina's tracking back.
I simply believe that we need a brand new back four, and keep todays bunch as backups and/or to play the bottom feeder clubs this coming season.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on July 17, 2022, 10:34:05 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:26:33 PM
.........
I simply believe that we need a brand new back four, and keep todays bunch as backups and/or to play the bottom feeder clubs this coming season.
The games against the bottom feeders will all be six pointers so I'm not sure I agree with you there...
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:26:33 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:24:33 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:17:51 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:09:15 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:05:49 PMQuote from: BarryP on July 17, 2022, 10:03:53 PMQuote from: dfwilson84 on July 17, 2022, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 09:59:19 PM
This should be 10-1 ...
It is not just their fitness but their speed of thought. This is the type of game where Ream should leave the pitch and know its time...
I feel for him. It's not his fault that he's out of his depth. He's not the only one either.
Ream was not the worst Fulham defender on the day. Let that sink in.
With respect, I'm not certain I can totally agree with you, he's one of three on the coin toss for it.
Fair enough but I'm curious which of the starting four you didn't include in your three because Tete, Tosin and Bryan were all very poor.
For me it would have been Tete, Ream and Bryan in the coin toss, though, tbh, there was no-one covered in glory. If it hadn't been for Palhina's running back the score would have been a lot worse.
Tosin is the one I have hope for but I thought he was very poor in today's outing. Agree about Palhina's tracking back.
I simply believe that we need a brand new back four, and keep todays bunch as backups and/or to play the bottom feeder clubs this coming season.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 17, 2022, 10:40:13 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:26:33 PM
.......
I simply believe that we need a brand new back four, and keep todays bunch as backups and/or to play the bottom feeder clubs this coming season.
So you want us to repeat 2018-19? Got it. Tete & Tosin are fine for the PL, Bryan and Ream will be nowhere near a regular starting XI and Gazza will shortly be third choice based on the fact Silva obviously wants an upgrade in goal
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:47:47 PMBenfica did reach champions league quarter finals, so not a stretch to say they're equivalent to top 6 premier league.Quote from: Deeping_white on July 17, 2022, 10:40:13 PMQuote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 10:26:33 PM
.......
I simply believe that we need a brand new back four, and keep todays bunch as backups and/or to play the bottom feeder clubs this coming season.
So you want us to repeat 2018-19? Got it. Tete & Tosin are fine for the PL, Bryan and Ream will be nowhere near a regular starting XI and Gazza will shortly be third choice based on the fact Silva obviously wants an upgrade in goal
I don't want us to repeat either of the last two PL seasons and any suggestion is ridiculous, but on todays performance I find it difficult to believe that ANY of our back line players are ffp for the Prem. Perhaps that is purely pre-season lack of fitness, but unless you believe that Benfica are equivilent to the top 6 of the PL, then the way in which they ghosted past any of the back 4 today does not instil me with any confidence that we have a the back players to survive this Prem season, as we will ship goals like they are going out of fashion.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 17, 2022, 10:18:04 PMYes even at that priceQuote from: howitis on July 17, 2022, 10:11:55 PM
We should def have purchased Neco Williams ...
Not for £17m.
Quote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PMWhat is your current understanding of our FFP situation ?
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 12:22:08 AMI think it's about 50 million, but no doubt you will correct meQuote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PMWhat is your current understanding of our FFP situation ?
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
How much money do we have to spend ?
Do you know ?
Quote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PM
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
Quote from: Oakeshott on July 17, 2022, 11:49:47 PM
People are very free with views about how other people should spend their money.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 18, 2022, 06:42:53 AMDidnt we play Saturday as well? But agree is still only 10 days in to our pre season and stil around 3 weeks till our first game
Lot of people getting their knickers in a twist over a pre season first game kick about...Chill out,in Silva I trust,we will have things sorted for the Liverpool game...Coyw.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 18, 2022, 06:42:53 AM
Lot of people getting their knickers in a twist over a pre season first game kick about...Chill out,in Silva I trust,we will have things sorted for the Liverpool game...Coyw.
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 16, 2022, 02:49:05 PM
The thing is, it is true not only of Football MBs. But we live very much in a victim culture. Somebody has to be to blame for things not going how we want them. Weather too hot, not my fault but everybody else's for their carbon footprint. No water, not my fault but everybody else for using too much. We end up blaming people and then giving advice as if we have any power at all within whatever system we are complaining about.
Hence the repeated complaints about not buying the right players, enough of them, not spending enough. spending too much.
It is just easier complaining. As a consistent complainer why do I need to do anything but complain. It is all out of my hands anyway. However repeating the same complaint over and over and over again doesn't get us anywhere but miserable and annoyed when fellow fans don't agree. Well it's their fault for not agreeing with me.
Quote from: Logicalman on July 17, 2022, 02:42:55 PM
3 responses to the OP and 14 slagging off another poster. I thought on FoF we'd got past this?
If you don't agree with someone then write a rebuttal, not an attack please. None of us want our comments ridiculed or slammed, especially personal attacks regarding punctuation, etc.
For my part, Mick, the thread is about the squad Marco has taken over to Portugal, and he can only take those players he has access to.
Quote from: jayffc on July 17, 2022, 10:20:57 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Yeh thank god for this friendly game, I dont think they realized we need to sign a CB... probably just tried to sign Romagnoli, Diop, Rodon, and all the others weve been in talks with for the banter.
Quote from: Jeroen on July 18, 2022, 08:29:52 AM
I might have missed it, but did he actually play? Even last night when Mitro went off Stansfield came on.
Has he fallen down the pecking order or is he being lined up for a loan? Strange in any case, right?
Quote from: Whitestone on July 18, 2022, 08:06:19 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 17, 2022, 10:20:57 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Yeh thank god for this friendly game, I dont think they realized we need to sign a CB... probably just tried to sign Romagnoli, Diop, Rodon, and all the others weve been in talks with for the banter.
Yes, but just like our last season in the Prem we have failed to bring in the most pressing replacements. Talk is cheap, it's about time the club did a bit more than that and a got few more signings over the line.
Quote from: bobby01 on July 18, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
Said it before will say it again, Stansfield really reminds me of sniffer, I think he has the skill set to go a long way.
Stansfiiekd works hard and has good ball control but I cannot remember a shot of note in either game. He does not have the build for an out and out striker.
Quote from: jayffc on July 18, 2022, 09:52:33 AMQuote from: Whitestone on July 18, 2022, 08:06:19 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 17, 2022, 10:20:57 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Yeh thank god for this friendly game, I dont think they realized we need to sign a CB... probably just tried to sign Romagnoli, Diop, Rodon, and all the others weve been in talks with for the banter.
Yes, but just like our last season in the Prem we have failed to bring in the most pressing replacements. Talk is cheap, it's about time the club did a bit more than that and a got few more signings over the line.
As has been stated a gazillion times
We absolutely did sign the right players last time - the only total dud really was RLC (who we were excited about when he joined)
We signed a great squad last time out and we didn't get relegated because of our signings or even the timing of them, because we were WELL in the hunt to avoid relegation for months. This - we went down because "we surrendered the first few games" stuff just doesn't wash. Sure, but we had a good enough team to have finished higher and still had ample opportunities to stay up from January. And had we signed lesser players earlier and missed out on Tosin /Anderson/Areola we might just have been out of the running altogether by Christmas!
Our last signings were Anderson and Tosin and our defense for the season conceded a couple less than 9th placed Leeds. We didn't go down because we didnt have a settled defense for a couple of games early on, the players signed were quality enough to give us the best chance of survival... most of our attacking players were signed earlier in the window... and yet we scored about 27 goals all season. THATS why we went down in my opinion, Parker's shoddy attacking tactics. Drawing a load of games we should have pushed on for a winner in.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 18, 2022, 09:56:45 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 18, 2022, 09:52:33 AMQuote from: Whitestone on July 18, 2022, 08:06:19 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 17, 2022, 10:20:57 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Yeh thank god for this friendly game, I dont think they realized we need to sign a CB... probably just tried to sign Romagnoli, Diop, Rodon, and all the others weve been in talks with for the banter.
Yes, but just like our last season in the Prem we have failed to bring in the most pressing replacements. Talk is cheap, it's about time the club did a bit more than that and a got few more signings over the line.
As has been stated a gazillion times
We absolutely did sign the right players last time - the only total dud really was RLC (who we were excited about when he joined)
We signed a great squad last time out and we didn't get relegated because of our signings or even the timing of them, because we were WELL in the hunt to avoid relegation for months. This - we went down because "we surrendered the first few games" stuff just doesn't wash. Sure, but we had a good enough team to have finished higher and still had ample opportunities to stay up from January. And had we signed lesser players earlier and missed out on Tosin /Anderson/Areola we might just have been out of the running altogether by Christmas!
Our last signings were Anderson and Tosin and our defense for the season conceded a couple less than 9th placed Leeds. We didn't go down because we didnt have a settled defense for a couple of games early on, the players signed were quality enough to give us the best chance of survival... most of our attacking players were signed earlier in the window... and yet we scored about 27 goals all season. THATS why we went down in my opinion, Parker's shoddy attacking tactics. Drawing a load of games we should have pushed on for a winner in.
I'll quote you 'As has been stated a gazillion times' that timing and lack thereof was a big factor in our relegation. You can't chuck over 6 games at the start of the season and expect us to play in top 6 form for a portion of the season and stay up. You need points early on the board. Teams with limited squads who continually do this are teams like Southampton who start pretty well and drop into bottom 3 form and manage to stay up. Timing and urgency during as window is pivotal, to the extent that the hierarchy took blame for it during and post season. So come on. This really has been discussed to death and early success and getting things ready early is a big key to success and survival. We didn't 'surrender' the opening fixtures, we just put too much weight on championship players and expected them to compete and time has shown, they can't. Whilst we're more prepared than last time, we're still not prepared enough. Hence a few key signings, earlier, potentially paying a premium, is likely a much better strategy than waiting and taking the team longer to gel.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 18, 2022, 09:56:45 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 18, 2022, 09:52:33 AMQuote from: Whitestone on July 18, 2022, 08:06:19 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 17, 2022, 10:20:57 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Yeh thank god for this friendly game, I dont think they realized we need to sign a CB... probably just tried to sign Romagnoli, Diop, Rodon, and all the others weve been in talks with for the banter.
Yes, but just like our last season in the Prem we have failed to bring in the most pressing replacements. Talk is cheap, it's about time the club did a bit more than that and a got few more signings over the line.
As has been stated a gazillion times
We absolutely did sign the right players last time - the only total dud really was RLC (who we were excited about when he joined)
We signed a great squad last time out and we didn't get relegated because of our signings or even the timing of them, because we were WELL in the hunt to avoid relegation for months. This - we went down because "we surrendered the first few games" stuff just doesn't wash. Sure, but we had a good enough team to have finished higher and still had ample opportunities to stay up from January. And had we signed lesser players earlier and missed out on Tosin /Anderson/Areola we might just have been out of the running altogether by Christmas!
Our last signings were Anderson and Tosin and our defense for the season conceded a couple less than 9th placed Leeds. We didn't go down because we didnt have a settled defense for a couple of games early on, the players signed were quality enough to give us the best chance of survival... most of our attacking players were signed earlier in the window... and yet we scored about 27 goals all season. THATS why we went down in my opinion, Parker's shoddy attacking tactics. Drawing a load of games we should have pushed on for a winner in.
I'll quote you 'As has been stated a gazillion times' that timing and lack thereof was a big factor in our relegation. You can't chuck over 6 games at the start of the season and expect us to play in top 6 form for a portion of the season and stay up. You need points early on the board. Teams with limited squads who continually do this are teams like Southampton who start pretty well and drop into bottom 3 form and manage to stay up. Timing and urgency during as window is pivotal, to the extent that the hierarchy took blame for it during and post season. So come on. This really has been discussed to death and early success and getting things ready early is a big key to success and survival. We didn't 'surrender' the opening fixtures, we just put too much weight on championship players and expected them to compete and time has shown, they can't. Whilst we're more prepared than last time, we're still not prepared enough. Hence a few key signings, earlier, potentially paying a premium, is likely a much better strategy than waiting and taking the team longer to gel.
Quote from: bencher on July 18, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
I'm now thinking, that actually the squad we had in 20-21 wasn't good enough to stay up, and the reason we conceded so few that year was because we were so conservative and didn't go forward Slav or Silva style; had Parker pushed the team to attack more, we would probably have ended up losing games we drew. The squad didn't have enough potent attacking threat in it, whatever the tactics. I feel that the current squad is inferior to the 20-21 squad, and we are probably 6-7 players away from a competitive squad. Those 6-7 are needed across the pitch, not just in defence.
Quote from: jayffc on July 18, 2022, 10:22:13 AMQuote from: bencher on July 18, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
I'm now thinking, that actually the squad we had in 20-21 wasn't good enough to stay up, and the reason we conceded so few that year was because we were so conservative and didn't go forward Slav or Silva style; had Parker pushed the team to attack more, we would probably have ended up losing games we drew. The squad didn't have enough potent attacking threat in it, whatever the tactics. I feel that the current squad is inferior to the 20-21 squad, and we are probably 6-7 players away from a competitive squad. Those 6-7 are needed across the pitch, not just in defence.
Areola took West Ham to a European Semi final and has been signed full time now
Anderson is a regular starter at Crystal Palace
Tosin - helped form part of one of the best defenses we've had in years. In Champ team of the year last year
Tete was largely good for us and was so last year too
Robinson - yeh not sold but probably has enough to be a part of a side avoiding relegation
Lookman - scored 8 and assisted 5 for Leicester where he's done well enough
Aina - went back to playing abour 25 games forTorino last year
Anguissa - signed by Napoli , played great both in La Liga and Serie A now
Harrison Reed- was often our MOM that year
BDR- Had a good year
Mitro is Mitro- PArker didnt have a clue how to use him but comes off a stonking record breaking season and scores for fun at international level
We had PLENTY good enough squad to stay up. Certainly had better squad on paper than the likes of Burnley and Brighton for a start.
The fact that the issue was the same in our season prior under parker and then consequently the same issues were reiterated by Bournemouth fans throughout last year shows where the problem was. Parker sits back in games all the time and isn't great at utilising the attackers he has, so often he was bailed out in champ season by random moments of brilliance from individuals as opposed to quality attacking moves. Its night and day under Silva in terms of system.
Parker didnt get a quarter of what Silva got out of Kebano who became a different player under him in the champ where he was no where near as good in Parkers system, sorry, for me the issue is blindingly obvious.
Quote from: Cumbrian White on July 18, 2022, 11:26:46 AM
No one else just happy to have watched Fulham play without worrying about squad, tactics, formation, signings just genuinely happy a little closer to seeing us in competitive games? Or just me!
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Quote from: Cumbrian White on July 18, 2022, 11:26:46 AM
No one else just happy to have watched Fulham play without worrying about squad, tactics, formation, signings just genuinely happy a little closer to seeing us in competitive games? Or just me!
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Quote from: Cumbrian White on July 18, 2022, 11:26:46 AM
No one else just happy to have watched Fulham play without worrying about squad, tactics, formation, signings just genuinely happy a little closer to seeing us in competitive games? Or just me!
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Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on July 18, 2022, 09:53:01 AMQuote from: bobby01 on July 18, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
Said it before will say it again, Stansfield really reminds me of sniffer, I think he has the skill set to go a long way.
Stansfiiekd works hard and has good ball control but I cannot remember a shot of note in either game. He does not have the build for an out and out striker.
Quote from: ALG01 on July 18, 2022, 11:41:02 AMQuote from: Cumbrian White on July 18, 2022, 11:26:46 AM
No one else just happy to have watched Fulham play without worrying about squad, tactics, formation, signings just genuinely happy a little closer to seeing us in competitive games? Or just me!
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I think it may be just you. Until we assemble something that looks like a prem standard squad next season will be a disaster.
Quote from: St Eve on July 18, 2022, 01:33:54 AM£50 million and you want to spend £17 million on Williams, how do you propose we sign two centre half's a keeper a left back and another striker ?Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 12:22:08 AMI think it's about 50 million, but no doubt you will correct meQuote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PMWhat is your current understanding of our FFP situation ?
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
How much money do we have to spend ?
Do you know ?
Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 02:43:03 PMDoes it not hinge on the duration of any contract for a player? In other words, signing someone for £10m on a one year contract hits the accounts for £10m in the current financial year, whereas signing someone for £10m on a five year contract hits the accounts in the current financial year for £2m. Or have I got that completely wrong?Quote from: St Eve on July 18, 2022, 01:33:54 AM£50 million and you want to spend £17 million on Williams, how do you propose we sign two centre half's a keeper a left back and another striker ?Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 12:22:08 AMI think it's about 50 million, but no doubt you will correct meQuote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PMWhat is your current understanding of our FFP situation ?
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
How much money do we have to spend ?
Do you know ?
It's not easy is it ?
We are currently trying to sign Kevin Mbabu for £6 million to play at right back, looks a much better deal all round to me than £17 million for Williams,
I've every confidence that the next two weeks will see a much brighter picture as far as recruitment is concerned and all hopefully within the restraints of FFP.
COYSW
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 18, 2022, 03:09:34 PMQuote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 02:43:03 PMDoes it not hinge on the duration of any contract for a player? In other words, signing someone for £10m on a one year contract hits the accounts for £10m in the current financial year, whereas signing someone for £10m on a five year contract hits the accounts in the current financial year for £2m. Or have I got that completely wrong?Quote from: St Eve on July 18, 2022, 01:33:54 AM£50 million and you want to spend £17 million on Williams, how do you propose we sign two centre half's a keeper a left back and another striker ?Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 12:22:08 AMI think it's about 50 million, but no doubt you will correct meQuote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PMWhat is your current understanding of our FFP situation ?
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
How much money do we have to spend ?
Do you know ?
It's not easy is it ?
We are currently trying to sign Kevin Mbabu for £6 million to play at right back, looks a much better deal all round to me than £17 million for Williams,
I've every confidence that the next two weeks will see a much brighter picture as far as recruitment is concerned and all hopefully within the restraints of FFP.
COYSW
Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 02:43:03 PMNever said it was easy but offloading Knocks, Ivan, Gazza, Chalobah and Onomah would help, if there are any takers. It does beg the question of how Forest can afford 17 million since they are in a worst financial position than usQuote from: St Eve on July 18, 2022, 01:33:54 AM£50 million and you want to spend £17 million on Williams, how do you propose we sign two centre half's a keeper a left back and another striker ?Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 12:22:08 AMI think it's about 50 million, but no doubt you will correct meQuote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PMWhat is your current understanding of our FFP situation ?
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
How much money do we have to spend ?
Do you know ?
It's not easy is it ?
We are currently trying to sign Kevin Mbabu for £6 million to play at right back, looks a much better deal all round to me than £17 million for Williams,
I've every confidence that the next two weeks will see a much brighter picture as far as recruitment is concerned and all hopefully within the restraints of FFP.
COYSW
Quote from: Caedal on July 18, 2022, 02:34:18 PM
I dont expect Cairney to play much this season, especially in that CM role. If we are going to play with the 2 wide players and Mitro, then we'll need either Reed or another signing to play in the midfield. We'll probably set up like Chelsea do when they play a back 4, with the 2 holders in midfield and a box to box player. As you say there is no way we can play with the 2 wide players and a number 10 this season. Reed is actually pretty decent at covering for the fullback
---------Leno---------
Mbabu--Tosin--Diop--Robinson
------Reed---Palhinha----
--------Perriera--------
Wilson-----------Solomon
----------Mitro-----------
Quote from: Cumbrian White on July 18, 2022, 11:26:46 AM
No one else just happy to have watched Fulham play without worrying about squad, tactics, formation, signings just genuinely happy a little closer to seeing us in competitive games? Or just me!
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 18, 2022, 04:27:08 PM
I was impressed by Stansfield's energy and ball-winning skills and played a few nice passes as well, did pose much of a goal threat though.
I think you mean 'did not'.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 18, 2022, 03:09:34 PMQuote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 02:43:03 PMDoes it not hinge on the duration of any contract for a player? In other words, signing someone for £10m on a one year contract hits the accounts for £10m in the current financial year, whereas signing someone for £10m on a five year contract hits the accounts in the current financial year for £2m. Or have I got that completely wrong?Quote from: St Eve on July 18, 2022, 01:33:54 AM£50 million and you want to spend £17 million on Williams, how do you propose we sign two centre half's a keeper a left back and another striker ?Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 12:22:08 AMI think it's about 50 million, but no doubt you will correct meQuote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PMWhat is your current understanding of our FFP situation ?
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
How much money do we have to spend ?
Do you know ?
It's not easy is it ?
We are currently trying to sign Kevin Mbabu for £6 million to play at right back, looks a much better deal all round to me than £17 million for Williams,
I've every confidence that the next two weeks will see a much brighter picture as far as recruitment is concerned and all hopefully within the restraints of FFP.
COYSW
Quote from: WindyCity on July 18, 2022, 04:39:53 PMLiverpool can beat better teams than us 5-1, surely Liverpool isn't how people will define our season, win, draw or lose (even if it's heavily)
Very disappointing outing to be sure. IF FFC can't bring in several key, quality players SOON, that can fit right into the starting XI, then I'm afraid:
Benfica match = Liverpool opener
Quote from: Cumbrian White on July 18, 2022, 04:56:51 PMQuote from: WindyCity on July 18, 2022, 04:39:53 PMLiverpool can beat better teams than us 5-1, surely Liverpool isn't how people will define our season, win, draw or lose (even if it's heavily)
Very disappointing outing to be sure. IF FFC can't bring in several key, quality players SOON, that can fit right into the starting XI, then I'm afraid: Benfica match = Liverpool opener
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Quote from: FFC1987 on July 18, 2022, 09:56:45 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 18, 2022, 09:52:33 AMQuote from: Whitestone on July 18, 2022, 08:06:19 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 17, 2022, 10:20:57 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Yeh thank god for this friendly game, I dont think they realized we need to sign a CB... probably just tried to sign Romagnoli, Diop, Rodon, and all the others weve been in talks with for the banter.
Yes, but just like our last season in the Prem we have failed to bring in the most pressing replacements. Talk is cheap, it's about time the club did a bit more than that and a got few more signings over the line.
As has been stated a gazillion times
We absolutely did sign the right players last time - the only total dud really was RLC (who we were excited about when he joined)
We signed a great squad last time out and we didn't get relegated because of our signings or even the timing of them, because we were WELL in the hunt to avoid relegation for months. This - we went down because "we surrendered the first few games" stuff just doesn't wash. Sure, but we had a good enough team to have finished higher and still had ample opportunities to stay up from January. And had we signed lesser players earlier and missed out on Tosin /Anderson/Areola we might just have been out of the running altogether by Christmas!
Our last signings were Anderson and Tosin and our defense for the season conceded a couple less than 9th placed Leeds. We didn't go down because we didnt have a settled defense for a couple of games early on, the players signed were quality enough to give us the best chance of survival... most of our attacking players were signed earlier in the window... and yet we scored about 27 goals all season. THATS why we went down in my opinion, Parker's shoddy attacking tactics. Drawing a load of games we should have pushed on for a winner in.
I'll quote you 'As has been stated a gazillion times' that timing and lack thereof was a big factor in our relegation. You can't chuck over 6 games at the start of the season and expect us to play in top 6 form for a portion of the season and stay up. You need points early on the board. Teams with limited squads who continually do this are teams like Southampton who start pretty well and drop into bottom 3 form and manage to stay up. Timing and urgency during as window is pivotal, to the extent that the hierarchy took blame for it during and post season. So come on. This really has been discussed to death and early success and getting things ready early is a big key to success and survival. We didn't 'surrender' the opening fixtures, we just put too much weight on championship players and expected them to compete and time has shown, they can't. Whilst we're more prepared than last time, we're still not prepared enough. Hence a few key signings, earlier, potentially paying a premium, is likely a much better strategy than waiting and taking the team longer to gel.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 18, 2022, 04:32:03 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 18, 2022, 03:09:34 PMQuote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 02:43:03 PMDoes it not hinge on the duration of any contract for a player? In other words, signing someone for £10m on a one year contract hits the accounts for £10m in the current financial year, whereas signing someone for £10m on a five year contract hits the accounts in the current financial year for £2m. Or have I got that completely wrong?Quote from: St Eve on July 18, 2022, 01:33:54 AM£50 million and you want to spend £17 million on Williams, how do you propose we sign two centre half's a keeper a left back and another striker ?Quote from: Riversider on July 18, 2022, 12:22:08 AMI think it's about 50 million, but no doubt you will correct meQuote from: St Eve on July 17, 2022, 11:58:10 PMWhat is your current understanding of our FFP situation ?
In my opinion, which I greatly respect, I would have spent the 17 million on Neco.
How much money do we have to spend ?
Do you know ?
It's not easy is it ?
We are currently trying to sign Kevin Mbabu for £6 million to play at right back, looks a much better deal all round to me than £17 million for Williams,
I've every confidence that the next two weeks will see a much brighter picture as far as recruitment is concerned and all hopefully within the restraints of FFP.
COYSW
Completely different, you're talking about how FFP sees the amortisation of an asset when it comes to P&L - Liverpool could demand all £17m up front or stagger the payments over a few years, but that would be part of the payment structure that the two clubs agree as part of the transfer
Quote from: jayffc on July 18, 2022, 06:24:57 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 18, 2022, 09:56:45 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 18, 2022, 09:52:33 AMQuote from: Whitestone on July 18, 2022, 08:06:19 AMQuote from: jayffc on July 17, 2022, 10:20:57 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 17, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Reality check. Marco "Mr Khan, do you see now? We NEED at least 2 new CB's"
Yeh thank god for this friendly game, I dont think they realized we need to sign a CB... probably just tried to sign Romagnoli, Diop, Rodon, and all the others weve been in talks with for the banter.
Yes, but just like our last season in the Prem we have failed to bring in the most pressing replacements. Talk is cheap, it's about time the club did a bit more than that and a got few more signings over the line.
As has been stated a gazillion times
We absolutely did sign the right players last time - the only total dud really was RLC (who we were excited about when he joined)
We signed a great squad last time out and we didn't get relegated because of our signings or even the timing of them, because we were WELL in the hunt to avoid relegation for months. This - we went down because "we surrendered the first few games" stuff just doesn't wash. Sure, but we had a good enough team to have finished higher and still had ample opportunities to stay up from January. And had we signed lesser players earlier and missed out on Tosin /Anderson/Areola we might just have been out of the running altogether by Christmas!
Our last signings were Anderson and Tosin and our defense for the season conceded a couple less than 9th placed Leeds. We didn't go down because we didnt have a settled defense for a couple of games early on, the players signed were quality enough to give us the best chance of survival... most of our attacking players were signed earlier in the window... and yet we scored about 27 goals all season. THATS why we went down in my opinion, Parker's shoddy attacking tactics. Drawing a load of games we should have pushed on for a winner in.
I'll quote you 'As has been stated a gazillion times' that timing and lack thereof was a big factor in our relegation. You can't chuck over 6 games at the start of the season and expect us to play in top 6 form for a portion of the season and stay up. You need points early on the board. Teams with limited squads who continually do this are teams like Southampton who start pretty well and drop into bottom 3 form and manage to stay up. Timing and urgency during as window is pivotal, to the extent that the hierarchy took blame for it during and post season. So come on. This really has been discussed to death and early success and getting things ready early is a big key to success and survival. We didn't 'surrender' the opening fixtures, we just put too much weight on championship players and expected them to compete and time has shown, they can't. Whilst we're more prepared than last time, we're still not prepared enough. Hence a few key signings, earlier, potentially paying a premium, is likely a much better strategy than waiting and taking the team longer to gel.
Yep
This really is circles
Cos again ...if we'd been relegated by Christmas fine...but we werent, by a long stretch, because we signed good players. The problem was Parker for me. Sure as I've said we'd all love it if they'd been in early but as the season played out it was clear we had the talent needed and as you've stated above I agree....id LOVE to have seen Silva with that squad...I think we'd still have Areola and Anderson if that were the case and suspect we wouldn't be having this convo! Also...remember we lost out last minute on 2 CBs apparently due to covid...can't remember the guys name but one was deemed all but sown up a couple weeks before Anderson and Tosin
However , to be clear on what I'm saying
Regardless of those first games we had about 4-5months within touching distance of safety so Im sorry but the argument doesnt hold enough weight for me
We had so many oppurtunities to go on and win games that we kept drawing because of the negative tactics...also we had some absolutely insane VAR calls that season and goals/penalties given not given just to add to it.
We had good enough players
We had PLENTY of time and fixtures to stay up
We sat back and played Parker ball when we could have won games had we had a manager capable of attacking.
So I really don't care for the argument that it was wrong to wait to sign Anderson Tosin and Areola over people who very possibly may not have been as good and had us relegated earlier. That's my stand point and I'm steadfast in it ...if ya wanna say it was wrong to keep Parker on after a slug of a season I'm the championship I could be closer to agreeing to some degree. But for me the fact that we had many chances to stay up in the 2nd half of the season just debunks the theory
Fine if you disagree and aren't willing to accept that that was the case
Agree to disagree clearly but I just don't buy it myself based on the points you present
Quote from: RaySmith on July 19, 2022, 03:46:29 AM
I think people are reading too much into a pre-season friendly - these were traditionally used as a run out for the players, to look at fitness, etc., but now the results are seen as vitally important.
In a meaningful game, those Fulham players would be expected to bust a gut to get back into the game, putting in tackles, and working hard to close the opposition down, but no-one wants to risk injury in a pre-season run out.
It was also hot, with a partisan home crowd, and they looked more advanced in their fitness and training, and team play, than us - when does/did their season start?
My view is that we shouldn't get too pessimistic after one pre-season friendly, against one of the world's top clubs.
The club is still hoping to sign more players too, possibly defenders and a keeper, to add to the top class signings already made.
Quote from: RaySmith on July 19, 2022, 03:46:29 AM
I think people are reading too much into a pre-season friendly - these were traditionally used as a run out for the players, to look at fitness, etc., but now the results are seen as vitally important.
In a meaningful game, those Fulham players would be expected to bust a gut to get back into the game, putting in tackles, and working hard to close the opposition down, but no-one wants to risk injury in a pre-season run out.
It was also hot, with a partisan home crowd, and they looked more advanced in their fitness and training, and team play, than us - when does/did their season start?
My view is that we shouldn't get too pessimistic after one pre-season friendly, against one of the world's top clubs.
The club is still hoping to sign more players too, possibly defenders and a keeper, to add to the top class signings already made.
Quote from: Baszab on July 19, 2022, 07:30:14 AMPlease show me evidence of this so called event ?
It's over three weeks since MS was quoted as being "unhappy over lack of transfer progress" - such quotes do not appear without reason
It's great that so many on our message board remain satisfied with squad development but both me and MS (and his coaching team) are not
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 19, 2022, 04:07:51 PMHe's shocking, commands zero authority in the box and some of his passing was simply woeful
Seriously chaps, I just re-watched the game actually. And how anyone is blaming Paul Gazz for any of the goals is beyond me. Not saying he played well, or was his finest performance, but not one goal was his fault.
Quote from: perry geyton on July 19, 2022, 04:14:01 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 19, 2022, 04:07:51 PMHe's shocking, commands zero authority in the box and some of his passing was simply woeful
Seriously chaps, I just re-watched the game actually. And how anyone is blaming Paul Gazz for any of the goals is beyond me. Not saying he played well, or was his finest performance, but not one goal was his fault.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 23, 2022, 12:33:00 PM+1
Odutayo for Ream
Quote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 01:51:26 PM
I am sorry, but that's just BS and it's been the same thing every time with Ream.
Yes, we need 2 CBs and probably one of them should be a starter next to Tosin, but asking for a 19-year-old that must of us have watched only on one friendly to replace last year's best defender and one of our best players is just wrong.
Quote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 01:51:26 PMHe's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
I am sorry, but that's just BS and it's been the same thing every time with Ream.
Yes, we need 2 CBs and probably one of them should be a starter next to Tosin, but asking for a 19-year-old that must of us have watched only on one friendly to replace last year's best defender and one of our best players is just wrong.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2022, 01:59:57 PMI meant last season - should have made that clearer.
'one of our best players is just wrong.' lol if true, the squad is in dire straits for next season.
Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
He's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
Quote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 02:04:54 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2022, 01:59:57 PMI meant last season - should have made that clearer.
'one of our best players is just wrong.' lol if true, the squad is in dire straits for next season.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
He's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
I am not saying that we shouldn't get another CB and would prefer someone better starting along Tosin, but saying Ream is not good enough after the season he had and a 19-year-old that has not played a senior game is a better option than Ream, then that's plainly wrong. In my opinion.
Quote from: filham on July 23, 2022, 11:59:43 AMMaybe good enough to beat most teams in the Championship, but won't beat any of the PL sides, very disappointed so far with the transfer business but not really surprised!
We need a performance in tomorrow's friendly if only to wipe out the memory of the thrashing by Benfica last week.
The question is at this stage will Silva want to start with a first team line up or still play around with fringe players. I think our two new men need all the match time they can get with teamates and hope to see a first team line up for the first 45 minutes.
Rodak
Tete Tosin Ream Robinson
Cairney Palhino
Pereira
Wilson Mitro Kebano
Sorry to say that with Carvalho and Williams gone it is not looking as strong as the team that finished last season.
Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:13:39 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 02:04:54 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2022, 01:59:57 PMI meant last season - should have made that clearer.
'one of our best players is just wrong.' lol if true, the squad is in dire straits for next season.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
He's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
I am not saying that we shouldn't get another CB and would prefer someone better starting along Tosin, but saying Ream is not good enough after the season he had and a 19-year-old that has not played a senior game is a better option than Ream, then that's plainly wrong. In my opinion.
Not really, IMO anyway. I think the consensus on here is that Ream isn't good enough for the Prem. Tomorrow's game is a friendly, so what better opportunity for Idatayo or McAvoy to be given an opportunity. Both are CBs and we have the Villarreal match for Silva to finalise things.
Quote from: WolverineFFC on July 23, 2022, 03:54:16 PMQuote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:13:39 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 02:04:54 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2022, 01:59:57 PMI meant last season - should have made that clearer.
'one of our best players is just wrong.' lol if true, the squad is in dire straits for next season.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
He's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
I am not saying that we shouldn't get another CB and would prefer someone better starting along Tosin, but saying Ream is not good enough after the season he had and a 19-year-old that has not played a senior game is a better option than Ream, then that's plainly wrong. In my opinion.
Not really, IMO anyway. I think the consensus on here is that Ream isn't good enough for the Prem. Tomorrow's game is a friendly, so what better opportunity for Idatayo or McAvoy to be given an opportunity. Both are CBs and we have the Villarreal match for Silva to finalise things.
So you believe that a pair of under 21 CB's who have never played a minute of senior league football above the National League should be considered against Liverpool over Tim Ream based on friendly performances?
I want to make sure I understand your opinion clearly.
Quote from: Twig on July 23, 2022, 04:17:50 PMQuote from: WolverineFFC on July 23, 2022, 03:54:16 PMQuote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:13:39 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 02:04:54 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2022, 01:59:57 PMI meant last season - should have made that clearer.
'one of our best players is just wrong.' lol if true, the squad is in dire straits for next season.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
He's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
I am not saying that we shouldn't get another CB and would prefer someone better starting along Tosin, but saying Ream is not good enough after the season he had and a 19-year-old that has not played a senior game is a better option than Ream, then that's plainly wrong. In my opinion.
Not really, IMO anyway. I think the consensus on here is that Ream isn't good enough for the Prem. Tomorrow's game is a friendly, so what better opportunity for Idatayo or McAvoy to be given an opportunity. Both are CBs and we have the Villarreal match for Silva to finalise things.
So you believe that a pair of under 21 CB's who have never played a minute of senior league football above the National League should be considered against Liverpool over Tim Ream based on friendly performances?
I want to make sure I understand your opinion clearly.
If that is anyone's opinion then I think they are expecting way, way too much of our youth and at the same time ignoring Team's ability and experience. Of course we need a top CB (and very urgently), but in his absence we have to start Ream against the 'Pool.
Quote from: ianthailand on July 23, 2022, 05:53:26 PMDoes that come with a commentary
On Hesgoal.com
Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 23, 2022, 05:57:57 PM
While I'm not advocating dropping Ream for one of the youngsters by the above logic no youngster would ever be given a debut in a premier league unless an injury? Personally I start Ream but I don't think it is so outlandish to start a promising youngster over a 34 year old.
Quote from: filham on July 23, 2022, 05:59:16 PMIt's disappeared from the list.Quote from: ianthailand on July 23, 2022, 05:53:26 PMDoes that come with a commentary
On Hesgoal.com
Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 01:51:26 PMHe's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
I am sorry, but that's just BS and it's been the same thing every time with Ream.
Yes, we need 2 CBs and probably one of them should be a starter next to Tosin, but asking for a 19-year-old that must of us have watched only on one friendly to replace last year's best defender and one of our best players is just wrong.
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on July 23, 2022, 06:46:23 PMAt the start, when he did play, I recall us struggling defensively. When he was out the side and replaced by Andersen/tosin we were far better.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 01:51:26 PMHe's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
I am sorry, but that's just BS and it's been the same thing every time with Ream.
Yes, we need 2 CBs and probably one of them should be a starter next to Tosin, but asking for a 19-year-old that must of us have watched only on one friendly to replace last year's best defender and one of our best players is just wrong.
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
Tim made seven PL appearances in 2020-21. How was he one of the main reasons we struggled defensively last time in this league? (When we didn't even struggle that much defensively)
Quote from: Denver Fulham on July 23, 2022, 06:46:23 PMI thought the last season PL wise the tactics was our downfall as Parker was to safety first and the team lost the will to play the game on the front foot.defensivly we were ok and Anderson was a massive influence to that.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 01:51:26 PMHe's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
I am sorry, but that's just BS and it's been the same thing every time with Ream.
Yes, we need 2 CBs and probably one of them should be a starter next to Tosin, but asking for a 19-year-old that must of us have watched only on one friendly to replace last year's best defender and one of our best players is just wrong.
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
Tim made seven PL appearances in 2020-21. How was he one of the main reasons we struggled defensively last time in this league? (When we didn't even struggle that much defensively)
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 23, 2022, 01:59:39 PM
Wipe out the memory of a friendly loss against a clearly fitter and better football team?
I was over it as soon as the final whistle went, it was a friendly.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on July 23, 2022, 06:46:23 PMTake a look at the goals conceded when Ream played in 18/19 and 20/21 and you'll have your answer.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 01:51:26 PMHe's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
I am sorry, but that's just BS and it's been the same thing every time with Ream.
Yes, we need 2 CBs and probably one of them should be a starter next to Tosin, but asking for a 19-year-old that must of us have watched only on one friendly to replace last year's best defender and one of our best players is just wrong.
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
Tim made seven PL appearances in 2020-21. How was he one of the main reasons we struggled defensively last time in this league? (When we didn't even struggle that much defensively)
Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 23, 2022, 05:57:57 PM
While I'm not advocating dropping Ream for one of the youngsters by the above logic no youngster would ever be given a debut in a premier league unless an injury? Personally I start Ream but I don't think it is so outlandish to start a promising youngster over a 34 year old.
Quote from: WolverineFFC on July 23, 2022, 05:28:37 PMQuote from: Twig on July 23, 2022, 04:17:50 PMQuote from: WolverineFFC on July 23, 2022, 03:54:16 PMQuote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:13:39 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 02:04:54 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2022, 01:59:57 PMI meant last season - should have made that clearer.
'one of our best players is just wrong.' lol if true, the squad is in dire straits for next season.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PM
He's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
I am not saying that we shouldn't get another CB and would prefer someone better starting along Tosin, but saying Ream is not good enough after the season he had and a 19-year-old that has not played a senior game is a better option than Ream, then that's plainly wrong. In my opinion.
Not really, IMO anyway. I think the consensus on here is that Ream isn't good enough for the Prem. Tomorrow's game is a friendly, so what better opportunity for Idatayo or McAvoy to be given an opportunity. Both are CBs and we have the Villarreal match for Silva to finalise things.
So you believe that a pair of under 21 CB's who have never played a minute of senior league football above the National League should be considered against Liverpool over Tim Ream based on friendly performances?
I want to make sure I understand your opinion clearly.
If that is anyone's opinion then I think they are expecting way, way too much of our youth and at the same time ignoring Team's ability and experience. Of course we need a top CB (and very urgently), but in his absence we have to start Ream against the 'Pool.
I agree. That is why I am asking Whitestone to clarify their point, because that seems to be what is being suggested. Maybe I have misunderstood them though.
Quote from: spoonffc on July 23, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Sorry any bad mouthing of ream needs to check it's self. Aside from mitro he might be player of the season last year - have some f**king loyalty. He's a servant for this club and deserves more respect.
Quote from: Radiowhite on July 23, 2022, 06:54:25 PMQuote from: Denver Fulham on July 23, 2022, 06:46:23 PMAt the start, when he did play, I recall us struggling defensively. When he was out the side and replaced by Andersen/tosin we were far better.Quote from: Whitestone on July 23, 2022, 02:00:09 PMQuote from: Asotosyios on July 23, 2022, 01:51:26 PMHe's one of the main reasons we've struggled defensively the last two times we've been promoted. Granted, he's been very good in the Championship but we really must find a solution to that LCB slot asap, so
I am sorry, but that's just BS and it's been the same thing every time with Ream.
Yes, we need 2 CBs and probably one of them should be a starter next to Tosin, but asking for a 19-year-old that must of us have watched only on one friendly to replace last year's best defender and one of our best players is just wrong.
this is one occasion when we really should give our young players an opportunity to shine, otherwise whats the point of the academy.
Tim made seven PL appearances in 2020-21. How was he one of the main reasons we struggled defensively last time in this league? (When we didn't even struggle that much defensively)
Quote from: rebel on July 23, 2022, 07:12:08 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on July 23, 2022, 01:59:39 PM
Wipe out the memory of a friendly loss against a clearly fitter and better football team?
I was over it as soon as the final whistle went, it was a friendly.
It's not that they were fitter / better, we didn't even get close to marking them for crosses and conceded twice. We had height advantage over them. It's basic stuff, everything else is an excuse.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 23, 2022, 11:29:24 PMWhat does this even mean, makes no senseQuote from: rebel on July 23, 2022, 07:12:08 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on July 23, 2022, 01:59:39 PM
Wipe out the memory of a friendly loss against a clearly fitter and better football team?
I was over it as soon as the final whistle went, it was a friendly.
It's not that they were fitter / better, we didn't even get close to marking them for crosses and conceded twice. We had height advantage over them. It's basic stuff, everything else is an excuse.
So a team of big lads from Frome Town should hold their own (in a FRIENDLY) against us?
The comparison isn't direct of course but I am already telling you that Frome Town should have been better.
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 23, 2022, 02:13:30 PM
This is how Brighton was looking against Estoril a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDAXdSnIHtA
They've really crushed them. If we are not looking clearly like the better team in this game, it will make me a little bit concerned.
Quote from: Shredhead on July 23, 2022, 11:30:47 PMenjoy your break and the weather,to be fair it's not bad here on the south coast either.
It's being shown live on Portuguese TV1 Station if that's available in the UK. I'll be watching in a bar in the Algarve. I donated my Championship scarf (the free one from the last home game) for the wall in a great little cafe in Vila do Bispo tonight. The owner is a huge Sporting fan and we had a stunted chat about Palhinha.
Quote from: spoonffc on July 23, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Sorry any bad mouthing of ream needs to check it's self. Aside from mitro he might be player of the season last year - have some f**king loyalty. He's a servant for this club and deserves more respect.
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on July 24, 2022, 11:43:06 AM
We should be trying to start the team who is likely to play against Liverpool so for me
Rodak
Tete Tosin Ream Robinson
Palhinha
Reed Perreira
Wilson Mitro BDR
Quote from: john dempsey on July 24, 2022, 11:09:41 AMAlarmed, if we can get in a muddle abot a KO time we could get the window closing time wrong and miss out on a key signing, it wouldn't be the first time.
Are you ALARMED by this
or is it just a WINDUP.
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on July 24, 2022, 11:43:06 AM
We should be trying to start the team who is likely to play against Liverpool so for me
Rodak
Tete Tosin Ream Robinson
Palhinha
Reed Perreira
Wilson Mitro BDR
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 24, 2022, 05:27:26 PMAbsolutely agree, playing teams in the lower half it's fine but relying on youth for depth, not that I'm adverse to that
I think that is pretty much our starting 11
Quote from: CorkCity on July 24, 2022, 05:45:36 PM
Sport TV 2 in Portugal have it live, luckily I can get that in Cork
Quote from: JimmyConway on July 24, 2022, 12:44:52 PMAssume there is some language barrier
Excuse my ignorance but is a stunted chat a small conversation?
Quote from: Radiowhite on July 24, 2022, 05:51:08 PMYeah, it's in Gaelic 😀Quote from: JimmyConway on July 24, 2022, 12:44:52 PMAssume there is some language barrier
Excuse my ignorance but is a stunted chat a small conversation?
Quote from: Bokonon on July 24, 2022, 05:54:51 PM
Mitro has resumed service :003: :54:
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 05:55:06 PM
Isn;t that 2/2 that Pereria has taken corners and found Mitro for a goal?
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 24, 2022, 06:01:35 PM
Estoril's defence is atrocious, but I'm happy to see us gaining some confidence.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 24, 2022, 06:08:04 PMAbout time that we in the UK can watch a game live on FFCTV, even if it is a friendly and a mismatch.
There has to be a better stream than this. And FFCtv isn't streaming it in the USA apparently.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 24, 2022, 06:06:09 PMQuote from: TheCeiling on July 24, 2022, 06:01:35 PM
Estoril's defence is atrocious, but I'm happy to see us gaining some confidence.
Their defense is like a mid table Major League Soccer side. This game should be about working on match fitness.
Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 06:14:48 PMThink Motherwell
Are Estoril playing their 1st 11, can't be that easy to beat a team who finished 9th in the Portuguese Primera League?
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 24, 2022, 06:18:26 PMDid they thrash them as well?Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 06:14:48 PMThink Motherwell
Are Estoril playing their 1st 11, can't be that easy to beat a team who finished 9th in the Portuguese Primera League?
Quote from: MisfitKid on July 24, 2022, 06:13:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuSxB548xkg
watching in US.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 24, 2022, 06:18:26 PMDo I have to ?Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 06:14:48 PMThink Motherwell
Are Estoril playing their 1st 11, can't be that easy to beat a team who finished 9th in the Portuguese Primera League?
Quote from: Matt10 on July 24, 2022, 06:28:10 PM
Ream's pace is actually impressive, he's keeping up with these young guys well. The tackle was just too aggressive, but he was covering for Robinson. Just didn't need to be that aggressive. I'm not going to fault him as he rarely does things like that. Usually the complaint is that he's too slow - that's definitely not the case right now.
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 24, 2022, 06:33:32 PM
Solomon is going to be such a big upgrade over BDR.
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 24, 2022, 06:33:32 PM
Solomon is going to be such a big upgrade over BDR.
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 24, 2022, 06:34:37 PMThe invisible man, I didn't see him (lol).
Who scored the 4th?
Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 06:36:30 PMQuote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 24, 2022, 06:34:37 PMThe invisible man, I didn't see him (lol).
Who scored the 4th?
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 24, 2022, 06:38:30 PMLOL, it is coming though and it will be ??????? (Wilson)Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 06:36:30 PMQuote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 24, 2022, 06:34:37 PMThe invisible man, I didn't see him (lol).
Who scored the 4th?
Sorry, haha, thought I saw 4-1!
Quote from: somerset cockernee on July 24, 2022, 06:28:51 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on July 24, 2022, 06:18:26 PMDo I have to ?Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 06:14:48 PMThink Motherwell
Are Estoril playing their 1st 11, can't be that easy to beat a team who finished 9th in the Portuguese Primera League?
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 06:33:27 PMQuote from: Matt10 on July 24, 2022, 06:28:10 PM
Ream's pace is actually impressive, he's keeping up with these young guys well. The tackle was just too aggressive, but he was covering for Robinson. Just didn't need to be that aggressive. I'm not going to fault him as he rarely does things like that. Usually the complaint is that he's too slow - that's definitely not the case right now.
That's worse in my eyes. Making a mistake due to lack of pace is a limitation you can understand, especially at his age. That was pure naivety from a seasoned pro! Disappointing but apart from that, he does look fit to be fair.
Quote from: Matt10 on July 24, 2022, 06:28:10 PM
Ream's pace is actually impressive, he's keeping up with these young guys well. The tackle was just too aggressive, but he was covering for Robinson. Just didn't need to be that aggressive. I'm not going to fault him as he rarely does things like that. Usually the complaint is that he's too slow - that's definitely not the case right now.
Quote from: somerset cockernee on July 24, 2022, 06:44:55 PMThat is very reassuring, for a moment I was worried, would have preferred a pre season match with Forest that would have been interesting.
I don't think they are too shabby to be fair,,, better than Motherwell though.
Quote from: MisfitKid on July 24, 2022, 06:13:42 PM👍👍⚽️⚽️
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuSxB548xkg
watching in US.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Really poor from Tim. A man with his experience should know better.....even if it is pre season. He was going nowhere!
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 24, 2022, 06:09:21 PM
rainostreams.com have a really good stream. Its in Portuguese but the picture is great.
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 24, 2022, 05:27:26 PMDepending on incomings it could be, but i suspect Solomon will replace BDR, if we get a CB he will stat over ream and if we get a keeper he would be in over Rodak. Depends if or when they sign and if thats too close to the Liverpool game. But those are the 3 i think are most at risk
I think that is pretty much our starting 11
Quote from: Matt10 on July 24, 2022, 06:51:17 PM:plus one:Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 24, 2022, 06:09:21 PM
rainostreams.com have a really good stream. Its in Portuguese but the picture is great.
Thanks for the recommendation - it's much better picture, you're right!
Quote from: Bokonon on July 24, 2022, 06:58:01 PMYep silly pass out form the back almost leading to a goal, we need to learn from these things as they will be punished in the prem
Classic Keystone Cottagers here at the start of the second half.
Quote from: RaySmith on July 24, 2022, 06:49:51 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Really poor from Tim. A man with his experience should know better.....even if it is pre season. He was going nowhere!
Ream's pace carried him into the player as he was about to turn - more of an accidental coming together rather than a foul.
Didn't think it was a pen.
Seems very harsh to attack Ream for this.
Quote from: TheCeiling on July 24, 2022, 07:01:26 PM
Other than our defence concern, another thing concerned me is our struggle of our back line and midfield to handle the ball under pressure. It was very bold against Benfica, and even Estoril are costing us some problems this way. I really hope MS is gonna address our under pressure ball handling issues as much as he can, because at a PL level it's going to cost us lots of stressful moments.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:02:49 PMQuote from: RaySmith on July 24, 2022, 06:49:51 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Really poor from Tim. A man with his experience should know better.....even if it is pre season. He was going nowhere!
Ream's pace carried him into the player as he was about to turn - more of an accidental coming together rather than a foul.
Didn't think it was a pen.
Seems very harsh to attack Ream for this.
Blimey, you Ream fanbois are a delicate bunch aren't you! Clearly a foul, clearly a mistake by him and really, really naïve. Not an attack on Ream who I actually complimented but that, is a daft foul from an experienced person. Reams fans pulled Tosin pillar to posr for his foul against I think Coventry or Barnsley when the attacker actually dived to win a pen in a similar incident.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on July 24, 2022, 07:06:10 PM"Fired up" is a bit tame, He's punchy as f**k
mitro looks fired up
Quote from: Matt10 on July 24, 2022, 07:09:48 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:02:49 PMQuote from: RaySmith on July 24, 2022, 06:49:51 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Really poor from Tim. A man with his experience should know better.....even if it is pre season. He was going nowhere!
Ream's pace carried him into the player as he was about to turn - more of an accidental coming together rather than a foul.
Didn't think it was a pen.
Seems very harsh to attack Ream for this.
Blimey, you Ream fanbois are a delicate bunch aren't you! Clearly a foul, clearly a mistake by him and really, really naïve. Not an attack on Ream who I actually complimented but that, is a daft foul from an experienced person. Reams fans pulled Tosin pillar to posr for his foul against I think Coventry or Barnsley when the attacker actually dived to win a pen in a similar incident.
Is this what we do on here now? Call each other fanbois and other insults? You sure you're not looking for twitter instead?
I think most are just commenting because Tim is literally the topic and is being analyzed. It's not about being a fanboy or anything.
Quote from: Tabby on July 24, 2022, 07:12:13 PMFor me that is a little strange unless Kebano is injured or carrying a knock
Stansfield in at left wing and BDR moved to the middle.
Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 07:18:24 PM
Good run out for our young subs, oh I forgot they are still sitting on the bench! Doesn't make any sense!!
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:19:46 PMWas that at football or at golf, interesting theory though.Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 07:18:24 PM
Good run out for our young subs, oh I forgot they are still sitting on the bench! Doesn't make any sense!!
Someone was reporting we played this side yesterday in a behind closed doors friendly and won which had more youth and Solomon and a trialist in so might be that?
Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 07:18:24 PM
Good run out for our young subs, oh I forgot they are still sitting on the bench! Doesn't make any sense!!
Quote from: Tabby on July 24, 2022, 07:23:02 PMWell they do now!Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 07:18:24 PM
Good run out for our young subs, oh I forgot they are still sitting on the bench! Doesn't make any sense!!
Do Harris, Stansfield and Francois count?
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 24, 2022, 07:27:15 PMWhat things were you considering Tab's
very poor second half all things considered.
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 24, 2022, 07:27:15 PM:plus one:
very poor second half all things considered.
Quote from: somerset cockernee on July 24, 2022, 07:29:06 PMQuote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 24, 2022, 07:27:15 PMWhat things were you considering Tab's
very poor second half all things considered.
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on July 24, 2022, 07:27:15 PMYep. Slack passing. Defensive errors. Liverpool will batter us with this defence.
very poor second half all things considered.
Quote from: somerset cockernee on July 24, 2022, 07:32:10 PMIf you don't mind
This yo-yo club theory, how can it be a bad thing ?
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 24, 2022, 07:33:10 PMYup!
This forum is going to be unbearable this season isn't it.
Quote from: Caedal on July 24, 2022, 07:31:02 PMDon't worry we will finish in the top 20.
We are in big trouble this year
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 24, 2022, 07:33:10 PM
This forum is going to be unbearable this season isn't it.
Quote from: somerset cockernee on July 24, 2022, 07:34:07 PM+1Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 24, 2022, 07:33:10 PMYup!
This forum is going to be unbearable this season isn't it.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 24, 2022, 07:33:10 PM
This forum is going to be unbearable this season isn't it.
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 24, 2022, 07:34:07 PMYep, we need to avoid relegation again at all costs. I can't be doing with Rotherham, Barnsley etc again. Come on whites, please this season can we surprise a few and stay up (would snap your hand off for 17th!!)Quote from: somerset cockernee on July 24, 2022, 07:32:10 PMIf you don't mind
This yo-yo club theory, how can it be a bad thing ?
getting tonked every other season you fill your boots mate. I think most of us would rather see us compete against the best every season.
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Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 24, 2022, 07:33:10 PM
This forum is going to be unbearable this season isn't it.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 24, 2022, 07:33:10 PM
This forum is going to be unbearable this season isn't it.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:42:26 PM
If its so intolerable, why do you frequent it? Don't really get it. Gluttony for punishment?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 24, 2022, 07:55:45 PM
Been with the wife to the coast today,so just got back and been reading the messages,you'd think reading some we'd lost 6-0,instead of winning 1-3.🤔
Quote from: filham on July 24, 2022, 11:57:38 AMYou could be right, or youQuote from: john dempsey on July 24, 2022, 11:09:41 AMAlarmed, if we can get in a muddle abot a KO time we could get the window closing time wrong and miss out on a key signing, it wouldn't be the first time.
Are you ALARMED by this
or is it just a WINDUP.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 24, 2022, 07:45:18 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:42:26 PM
If its so intolerable, why do you frequent it? Don't really get it. Gluttony for punishment?
I like to get the opinions of other fans away from Twitter but if it carries on like it's been for the past couple of weeks, I think I'll be stopping!!
Quote from: filham on July 24, 2022, 07:56:38 PMWhy do people keep mentioning the Liverpool game?? Even if we had the team everyone on here wants the chances are they'll still beat us and beat us comfortably. Our season is not 1 game, it's not about the opening fixture, yes, we need a couple of players and if we get a Centre back and possibly Leno before the Liverpool game we're good for the fixtures beyond that.
Oh we were poor in the second half creating two good chances for them that were better than anything we created for ourselves.
We really have to stop giving the ball away near our own goal, teams like Liverpool will punish such mistakes.
Lets get back to Motspur Park quickly and put in two weeks serious training to make us ready to meet Liverpool.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 24, 2022, 07:44:32 PM
In the hope that it will improve again. These things tend to run in cycles.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 24, 2022, 07:55:45 PMthought we were ok first half,2nd not as good ,but seen in my years worst pre season and all you moaners will not blunt my enthusiasm towards another premier League season.coyw
Been with the wife to the coast today,so just got back and been reading the messages,you'd think reading some we'd lost 6-0,instead of winning 1-3.🤔
Quote from: davew on July 24, 2022, 07:38:04 PM
Watching Chalobah is so uninspiring!
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 24, 2022, 08:23:33 PMI thought he walked everywhere?Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 24, 2022, 07:44:32 PM
In the hope that it will improve again. These things tend to run in cycles.
Cycles was my favorite Sinatra album
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:11:43 PM:doh:Quote from: Matt10 on July 24, 2022, 07:09:48 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:02:49 PMQuote from: RaySmith on July 24, 2022, 06:49:51 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Really poor from Tim. A man with his experience should know better.....even if it is pre season. He was going nowhere!
Ream's pace carried him into the player as he was about to turn - more of an accidental coming together rather than a foul.
Didn't think it was a pen.
Seems very harsh to attack Ream for this.
Blimey, you Ream fanbois are a delicate bunch aren't you! Clearly a foul, clearly a mistake by him and really, really naïve. Not an attack on Ream who I actually complimented but that, is a daft foul from an experienced person. Reams fans pulled Tosin pillar to posr for his foul against I think Coventry or Barnsley when the attacker actually dived to win a pen in a similar incident.
Is this what we do on here now? Call each other fanbois and other insults? You sure you're not looking for twitter instead?
I think most are just commenting because Tim is literally the topic and is being analyzed. It's not about being a fanboy or anything.
I do when very, very basic criticism of Ream becomes 'attacking'. Come on, we were having a reasonable, and complimentary for the most part, bar one incident discussion on Ream and someone barges in and claims its an attack.....Not sure what other insults occurred though. Enlighten me?
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:02:49 PMQuote from: RaySmith on July 24, 2022, 06:49:51 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Really poor from Tim. A man with his experience should know better.....even if it is pre season. He was going nowhere!
Ream's pace carried him into the player as he was about to turn - more of an accidental coming together rather than a foul.
Didn't think it was a pen.
Seems very harsh to attack Ream for this.
Blimey, you Ream fanbois are a delicate bunch aren't you! Clearly a foul, clearly a mistake by him and really, really naïve. Not an attack on Ream who I actually complimented but that, is a daft foul from an experienced person. Reams fans pulled Tosin pillar to posr for his foul against I think Coventry or Barnsley when the attacker actually dived to win a pen in a similar incident.
Quote from: KebanOMG on July 24, 2022, 09:53:59 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 07:02:49 PMQuote from: RaySmith on July 24, 2022, 06:49:51 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 06:22:11 PM
Really poor from Tim. A man with his experience should know better.....even if it is pre season. He was going nowhere!
Ream's pace carried him into the player as he was about to turn - more of an accidental coming together rather than a foul.
Didn't think it was a pen.
Seems very harsh to attack Ream for this.
Blimey, you Ream fanbois are a delicate bunch aren't you! Clearly a foul, clearly a mistake by him and really, really naïve. Not an attack on Ream who I actually complimented but that, is a daft foul from an experienced person. Reams fans pulled Tosin pillar to posr for his foul against I think Coventry or Barnsley when the attacker actually dived to win a pen in a similar incident.
they don't exist and this never happened btw.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
It's interesting how much quieter it is on here after a pre-season win compared to a pre-season loss, in almost the exact same fashion as last season as well
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
It's interesting how much quieter it is on here after a pre-season win compared to a pre-season loss, in almost the exact same fashion as last season as well
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 10:08:56 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
It's interesting how much quieter it is on here after a pre-season win compared to a pre-season loss, in almost the exact same fashion as last season as well
Don't you think the board would be as well to some degree had we signed say, a few more key players earlier? There would be a bit of buzz sure, but generally, people are more vocal when concerns are felt.
Quote from: I Ronic on July 24, 2022, 10:49:13 PM
I wish we'd stop the long passes across the back. It just invites pressure while the receiving player waits for the ball . Last week Benfica's passing on the whole was diagonal. Balls that invite players to run on to and bypass opposition players.
I know this isn't anything new or controversial but we don't have players (mostly or could afford them) with the skill set to cope under pressure.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 10:08:56 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
It's interesting how much quieter it is on here after a pre-season win compared to a pre-season loss, in almost the exact same fashion as last season as well
Don't you think the board would be as well to some degree had we signed say, a few more key players earlier? There would be a bit of buzz sure, but generally, people are more vocal when concerns are felt.
Quote from: KebanOMG on July 24, 2022, 11:34:31 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 10:08:56 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
It's interesting how much quieter it is on here after a pre-season win compared to a pre-season loss, in almost the exact same fashion as last season as well
Don't you think the board would be as well to some degree had we signed say, a few more key players earlier? There would be a bit of buzz sure, but generally, people are more vocal when concerns are felt.
You would be moaning about something else. If we won the champions league you would be moaning that the grass was too green.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 11:43:29 PMQuote from: KebanOMG on July 24, 2022, 11:34:31 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 10:08:56 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
It's interesting how much quieter it is on here after a pre-season win compared to a pre-season loss, in almost the exact same fashion as last season as well
Don't you think the board would be as well to some degree had we signed say, a few more key players earlier? There would be a bit of buzz sure, but generally, people are more vocal when concerns are felt.
You would be moaning about something else. If we won the champions league you would be moaning that the grass was too green.
You can tell school summer holidays have started.
Quote from: KebanOMG on July 25, 2022, 12:22:58 AMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 11:43:29 PMQuote from: KebanOMG on July 24, 2022, 11:34:31 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 24, 2022, 10:08:56 PMQuote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2022, 10:06:13 PM
It's interesting how much quieter it is on here after a pre-season win compared to a pre-season loss, in almost the exact same fashion as last season as well
Don't you think the board would be as well to some degree had we signed say, a few more key players earlier? There would be a bit of buzz sure, but generally, people are more vocal when concerns are felt.
You would be moaning about something else. If we won the champions league you would be moaning that the grass was too green.
You can tell school summer holidays have started.
Yes yes if you're not perennially miserable and looking for a negative in every situation, you're a child.
Quote from: roberto w6 on July 25, 2022, 10:22:29 AM
I notice Joe Bryan wasn't listed among the subs
Was he injured or could it be a sign that he's off with Cav, Onomah and Knockaert?
Quote from: roberto w6 on July 25, 2022, 10:22:29 AM
I notice Joe Bryan wasn't listed among the subs
Was he injured or could it be a sign that he's off with Cav, Onomah and Knockaert?
Quote from: RaySmith on July 25, 2022, 11:11:23 AM
Thought it was harsh, surprised me it was given, actually - I thought Ream did touch the ball, and his pace carried him into the player as he turned, and they collided and fell together.
Then, on here, some had a right go at Ream.
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 25, 2022, 12:38:23 PM
I have watched Fulham over the decades and have yet to see a legitimate penalty against us. We are cheated by the Gods, referees, VAR, the weather. Everything.
On this occasion I can say without any bias that the penalty was wrong and the referee should be warned of his conduct.
Had it been a Fulham player brought down in a similar way then it was a stone wall penalty.
I will say it would be nice to find a keeper who isn't sent the wrong way every time he faces a penalty.
Quote from: Thailand Mick on July 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Now I'm one the the most impartial people when it comes to decisions regarding Fulham and I've just watched it again about half a dozen times. Look at the very last slow motion, keep a eye on the attackers left leg, when he drags the ball back with his right foot his left standing leg is in contact with the floor. There is no reason for that foot to leave the floor if he continues the movement of the drag back but instead he lifts that leg and throws it into Ream who is running across the front of him. Very clever but in my mind no penalty.
Quote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 12:51:17 PMQuote from: Thailand Mick on July 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Now I'm one the the most impartial people when it comes to decisions regarding Fulham and I've just watched it again about half a dozen times. Look at the very last slow motion, keep a eye on the attackers left leg, when he drags the ball back with his right foot his left standing leg is in contact with the floor. There is no reason for that foot to leave the floor if he continues the movement of the drag back but instead he lifts that leg and throws it into Ream who is running across the front of him. Very clever but in my mind no penalty.
Neat post, at the time they showed a close up of the tackle, Ream 100% touches the ball, before the opposition player is inadvertently taken out by his own momentum.
There's definitely some candidates on here who could so easily do Specsaver ads.
Quote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 09:37:20 AMYou're in for an interesting season if you think you can accurately predict what VAR will and will not give!
From what I saw, Ream got a slight touch of the ball first. VAR wouldn't have given it.
Quote from: KebanOMG on July 25, 2022, 01:32:21 PM
Nah it was a pen but as much as Ream shouldn't be charging in like that, to be honest it was just really brilliant skill by their player to win it.
Quote from: Shredhead on July 25, 2022, 09:01:31 AM
Compared with Brighton's win over Estoril last week we struggled. I'm not looking forward to the new season.
Quote from: KebanOMG on July 25, 2022, 02:13:50 PMQuote from: Shredhead on July 25, 2022, 09:01:31 AM
Compared with Brighton's win over Estoril last week we struggled. I'm not looking forward to the new season.
hahahaahah. struggled. hahahahahahaahahaha
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 25, 2022, 01:01:26 PMQuote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 12:51:17 PMQuote from: Thailand Mick on July 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Now I'm one the the most impartial people when it comes to decisions regarding Fulham and I've just watched it again about half a dozen times. Look at the very last slow motion, keep a eye on the attackers left leg, when he drags the ball back with his right foot his left standing leg is in contact with the floor. There is no reason for that foot to leave the floor if he continues the movement of the drag back but instead he lifts that leg and throws it into Ream who is running across the front of him. Very clever but in my mind no penalty.
Neat post, at the time they showed a close up of the tackle, Ream 100% touches the ball, before the opposition player is inadvertently taken out by his own momentum.
There's definitely some candidates on here who could so easily do Specsaver ads.
I've slowed it down, zoomed in, and Ream kicks the players leg, not the ball, inadvertently from how the player pulls his leg back. The interesting bit, from what others have mentioned, is the planting of the foot which leaves the floor. He anticipates contact but doesn't get the necessary contact he thinks he's getting....but Ream has still committed, doesn't touch the ball and makes contact with the player.
As an add on, I sent this to my Fantasy football group, has over 20 FFC fans in it among 30 others and not one has said its not a pen so far. The nearest comment is, maybe a tad soft but you can't make that tackle.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 25, 2022, 01:21:18 PMQuote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 09:37:20 AMYou're in for an interesting season if you think you can accurately predict what VAR will and will not give!
From what I saw, Ream got a slight touch of the ball first. VAR wouldn't have given it.
Quote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 02:45:22 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 25, 2022, 01:01:26 PMQuote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 12:51:17 PMQuote from: Thailand Mick on July 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Now I'm one the the most impartial people when it comes to decisions regarding Fulham and I've just watched it again about half a dozen times. Look at the very last slow motion, keep a eye on the attackers left leg, when he drags the ball back with his right foot his left standing leg is in contact with the floor. There is no reason for that foot to leave the floor if he continues the movement of the drag back but instead he lifts that leg and throws it into Ream who is running across the front of him. Very clever but in my mind no penalty.
Neat post, at the time they showed a close up of the tackle, Ream 100% touches the ball, before the opposition player is inadvertently taken out by his own momentum.
There's definitely some candidates on here who could so easily do Specsaver ads.
I've slowed it down, zoomed in, and Ream kicks the players leg, not the ball, inadvertently from how the player pulls his leg back. The interesting bit, from what others have mentioned, is the planting of the foot which leaves the floor. He anticipates contact but doesn't get the necessary contact he thinks he's getting....but Ream has still committed, doesn't touch the ball and makes contact with the player.
As an add on, I sent this to my Fantasy football group, has over 20 FFC fans in it among 30 others and not one has said its not a pen so far. The nearest comment is, maybe a tad soft but you can't make that tackle.
Care to put the 'zoomed' slowed video up?
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 25, 2022, 12:38:23 PM
I have watched Fulham over the decades and have yet to see a legitimate penalty against us. We are cheated by the Gods, referees, VAR, the weather. Everything.
On this occasion I can say without any bias that the penalty was wrong and the referee should be warned of his conduct.
Had it been a Fulham player brought down in a similar way then it was a stone wall penalty.
I will say it would be nice to find a keeper who isn't sent the wrong way every time he faces a penalty.
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 25, 2022, 02:52:31 PMQuote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 02:45:22 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 25, 2022, 01:01:26 PMQuote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 12:51:17 PMQuote from: Thailand Mick on July 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Now I'm one the the most impartial people when it comes to decisions regarding Fulham and I've just watched it again about half a dozen times. Look at the very last slow motion, keep a eye on the attackers left leg, when he drags the ball back with his right foot his left standing leg is in contact with the floor. There is no reason for that foot to leave the floor if he continues the movement of the drag back but instead he lifts that leg and throws it into Ream who is running across the front of him. Very clever but in my mind no penalty.
Neat post, at the time they showed a close up of the tackle, Ream 100% touches the ball, before the opposition player is inadvertently taken out by his own momentum.
There's definitely some candidates on here who could so easily do Specsaver ads.
I've slowed it down, zoomed in, and Ream kicks the players leg, not the ball, inadvertently from how the player pulls his leg back. The interesting bit, from what others have mentioned, is the planting of the foot which leaves the floor. He anticipates contact but doesn't get the necessary contact he thinks he's getting....but Ream has still committed, doesn't touch the ball and makes contact with the player.
As an add on, I sent this to my Fantasy football group, has over 20 FFC fans in it among 30 others and not one has said its not a pen so far. The nearest comment is, maybe a tad soft but you can't make that tackle.
Care to put the 'zoomed' slowed video up?
I chucked it into some steam software tool I have to manipulate videos. That said, its really not that close that a zoom/slo-mo image is required. Just watch initial video and timeframe it. You'll see clearly, no contact from Ream on the ball.
Quote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 03:25:07 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 25, 2022, 02:52:31 PMQuote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 02:45:22 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on July 25, 2022, 01:01:26 PMQuote from: rebel on July 25, 2022, 12:51:17 PMQuote from: Thailand Mick on July 25, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Now I'm one the the most impartial people when it comes to decisions regarding Fulham and I've just watched it again about half a dozen times. Look at the very last slow motion, keep a eye on the attackers left leg, when he drags the ball back with his right foot his left standing leg is in contact with the floor. There is no reason for that foot to leave the floor if he continues the movement of the drag back but instead he lifts that leg and throws it into Ream who is running across the front of him. Very clever but in my mind no penalty.
Neat post, at the time they showed a close up of the tackle, Ream 100% touches the ball, before the opposition player is inadvertently taken out by his own momentum.
There's definitely some candidates on here who could so easily do Specsaver ads.
I've slowed it down, zoomed in, and Ream kicks the players leg, not the ball, inadvertently from how the player pulls his leg back. The interesting bit, from what others have mentioned, is the planting of the foot which leaves the floor. He anticipates contact but doesn't get the necessary contact he thinks he's getting....but Ream has still committed, doesn't touch the ball and makes contact with the player.
As an add on, I sent this to my Fantasy football group, has over 20 FFC fans in it among 30 others and not one has said its not a pen so far. The nearest comment is, maybe a tad soft but you can't make that tackle.
Care to put the 'zoomed' slowed video up?
I chucked it into some steam software tool I have to manipulate videos. That said, its really not that close that a zoom/slo-mo image is required. Just watch initial video and timeframe it. You'll see clearly, no contact from Ream on the ball.
I'm a bit disappointed, I watched the Slow motion replays they played after the penalty was given, Ream definitely touched the ball. If you or anybody comes across slow motion video, please post.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 30, 2022, 12:59:46 PM
Link doesn't work, Mick.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02e5t4EbrH78HqnzqzeyDsiGzksc9tUiqjEKqEo7aULvjnhusoRfyRMwXVXpDmpjdzl&id=100000575295109
I've tried it again, changed the setting on Facebook to public.
I have the same problems with posting pictures, its infuriating.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 30, 2022, 01:21:33 PMthanks for letting me know
That has worked, cheers.
