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Came across this stat which illustrates just how good Leno has been for us this season.

Who have been the best shot-stoppers in the Big 5 European Leagues so far this season? pic.twitter.com/L4BBXRrnnc

— StatsBomb (@StatsBomb) January 25, 2023

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Wow what a great stat. Just goes to show what an outstanding signing has been for under £10m no less. Well done again to the recruitment team.

he is class!

Which begs the question, why did Arsenal buy Ramsdale?
Bet they are feeling silly now   :dft011:   :003:

Leno has been amazing so far this season and long may it continue.

Quote from: SerbianLad on January 25, 2023, 05:27:47 PM
Leno has been amazing so far this season and long may it continue.

Most defintely!

Quote from: Cambridge Away on January 25, 2023, 05:23:37 PM
Which begs the question, why did Arsenal buy Ramsdale?
Bet they are feeling silly now   :dft011:   :003:

Ramsdale is a great keeper too. They bought him because he's more comfortable playing out the back.

I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

I'd be inclined to disagree with you. He has saved a hell of a lot of chances that I feel were above average saves. I think his performances alone have won us several points already

Quote from: Jamie88 on January 25, 2023, 07:21:35 PM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

I'd be inclined to disagree with you. He has saved a hell of a lot of chances that I feel were above average saves. I think his performances alone have won us several points already

Sure. He also let Haaland's penalty go underneath him and allowed a weak goal vs United, etc.

Leno's been a good pickup. He's having an above-average season, for sure. I'm just saying that sometimes, you do need to trust your eyes. This is one of those cases.

Also, how data is calculated varies significantly by provider. fbref.com has Fulham fourth in the PL in PSxG saved above expected per 90 mins. That seems closer to correct than "best in all of Europe"
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats

For reference, Fulham finished third in the Prem in 2020-21 in this category (per fbref) thanks to Areola's excellence. We were 16th in 2018-19. I'd say all of that sounds right: Leno is playing at Areola's level this season, and both were WAY better than the GK mess in our first promotion season.

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:23:29 PM

Quote from: Jamie88 on January 25, 2023, 07:21:35 PM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

I'd be inclined to disagree with you. He has saved a hell of a lot of chances that I feel were above average saves. I think his performances alone have won us several points already

Sure. He also let Haaland's penalty go underneath him and allowed a weak goal vs United, etc.

Leno's been a good pickup. He's having an above-average season, for sure. I'm just saying that sometimes, you do need to trust your eyes. This is one of those cases.

Also, how data is calculated varies significantly by provider. fbref.com has Fulham fourth in the PL in PSxG saved above expected per 90 mins. That seems closer to correct than "best in all of Europe"
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats

For reference, Fulham finished third in the Prem in 2020-21 in this category (per fbref) thanks to Areola's excellence. We were 16th in 2018-19. I'd say all of that sounds right: Leno is playing at Areola's level this season, and both were WAY better than the GK mess in our first promotion season.

Its interesting that FBref which uses Opta has such a different result than Statsbomb, but then I guess PSxG is inherently more subjective than xG which also is far from perfect.

Worth noting that the Statsbomb data excludes penalties (of which Leno has let in 3 out of 3) so that might account for a small amount of the difference.

Also Leno is facing more shots that the other keepers on that list, which benefits his total 'Goals Saved above Average'...if you calculate a goals saved above average per shot to adjust for that, Leno falls below most of the others on that top 10 list.

Further, on the Opta model almost all of Leno's excess saves came in the two recent games against Leicester and Chelsea, ignoring those, on the Opta model he is roughly at par, I suspect it would be a similar story on Statsbomb too.

This is all nit-picking though, I think he is excellent!

Money well spent, no doubt Leno has done a good job for us.

Think he's one of the best Sweeper Keepers because of his reading of the game.

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

Objectively wrong. We'd be in relegation zone without him.

Yep, third time lucky with the business we did this summer, and Leno is right up there, cheap as chips relatively speaking along with Willian, Andreas, Palhinha and one or two others. We are now in a position to already be thinking about next season and how we can strengthen, because the goals against column needs tidying up. Is Leno papering over some worrying cacks, or am I being alarmist.

We would be in a far worse position without him.

Leno is a top shot stopper and this season reflects that. Shot-stopping is vastly more important to teams further down the league due to the number of chances they face, which is exactly why I was so excited about signing him.

Arsenal wanted a player who could distribute more effectively and Ramsdale does that better. Leno is a much better fit for what we need, so I guess all parties were winners!

Quote from: FreiBird on January 26, 2023, 12:38:08 AM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

Objectively wrong. We'd be in relegation zone without him.

No GK in the world is worth 14+ points in the table over half a season.

That's the last I'll say on this. Leno has been a good pickup and is having a fine season which has helped us to 7th place. May it continue.

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 26, 2023, 05:08:33 PM

Quote from: FreiBird on January 26, 2023, 12:38:08 AM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

Objectively wrong. We'd be in relegation zone without him.

No GK in the world is worth 14+ points in the table over half a season.  That's the last I'll say on this. Leno has been a good pickup and is having a fine season which has helped us to 7th place. May it continue.

I'm with PColada on this issue. No question, Leno has been good for FFC and impactful in our last two wins.  That said, he doesn't pass the "eye test" for me.  Has let in some questionable goals and, in my view, could have done much better on the Kane goal.  Sometimes the stats belies the eye test.  Good acquisition, glad we have him, but best shotstopper in Europe?  I think not.....

Leno reads the game so well. His coming off his line to sweep the ball clear is spot on and makes up for many of the mistakes our back line make. Also, Ream sometimes gets done for pace, but Leno is usually keen to it. He is so good in 1v1 situations and saves so many of the breakaways that he faces. He is comfortable with the ball at his feet and his distribution is good. He is confident on corners and set pieces. He is generally perfectly positioned when facing shots which means he doesn't have to do amazing acrobatics for most saves. Sometimes the most spectacular looking saves are down to a keeper's poor positioning. Before we signed Leno, I was so hopeful we would get someone of Areola's ability, but we may have done even better. Leno is an all around great keeper, and I really don't see a weakness in his game. After a good previous season from Rodak, I do feel slightly bad for him that he lost his spot but I understand why. I am glad we have two good goalkeepers at the club.

Quote from: WindyCity on January 26, 2023, 05:23:38 PM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 26, 2023, 05:08:33 PM

Quote from: FreiBird on January 26, 2023, 12:38:08 AM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

Objectively wrong. We'd be in relegation zone without him.

No GK in the world is worth 14+ points in the table over half a season.  That's the last I'll say on this. Leno has been a good pickup and is having a fine season which has helped us to 7th place. May it continue.

I'm with PColada on this issue. No question, Leno has been good for FFC and impactful in our last two wins.  That said, he doesn't pass the "eye test" for me.

Well then I'd suggest you need to check your vision. No, he's not one of the top, top GK's in the game right now, but he is very, very good and has been so since day 1 at Fulham (as all the stats/metrics make clear). We're very lucky to have him as he really could (and probably should) be playing for a "better" club. 

You've been saying similar things about Leno for months and I find it just bizarre. What kind of GK were you expecting Fulham to sign...Courtois??? Alisson???

Quote from: Chi_FFC on January 26, 2023, 05:36:21 PM

Quote from: WindyCity on January 26, 2023, 05:23:38 PM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 26, 2023, 05:08:33 PM

Quote from: FreiBird on January 26, 2023, 12:38:08 AM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

Objectively wrong. We'd be in relegation zone without him.

No GK in the world is worth 14+ points in the table over half a season.  That's the last I'll say on this. Leno has been a good pickup and is having a fine season which has helped us to 7th place. May it continue.

I'm with PColada on this issue. No question, Leno has been good for FFC and impactful in our last two wins.  That said, he doesn't pass the "eye test" for me.

Well then I'd suggest you need to check your vision. No, he's not one of the top, top GK's in the game right now, but he is very, very good and has been so since day 1 at Fulham (as all the stats/metrics make clear). We're very lucky to have him as he really could (and probably should) be playing for a "better" club.  You've been saying similar things about Leno for months and I find it just bizarre. What kind of GK were you expecting Fulham to sign...Courtois??? Alisson???

Well then, I'd suggest you need to check your reading glasses.  I gave full props to Leno in our last two wins and acknowledged I was happy to have him at FFC and he has done well for the most part.  I just don't see him as an amazing GK as some have described here.  I'm just not a huge fan, but hope he can win me over as the season plays out.  Different strokes, remember?

Quote from: WindyCity on January 26, 2023, 05:46:46 PM

Quote from: Chi_FFC on January 26, 2023, 05:36:21 PM

Quote from: WindyCity on January 26, 2023, 05:23:38 PM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 26, 2023, 05:08:33 PM

Quote from: FreiBird on January 26, 2023, 12:38:08 AM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

Objectively wrong. We'd be in relegation zone without him.

No GK in the world is worth 14+ points in the table over half a season.  That's the last I'll say on this. Leno has been a good pickup and is having a fine season which has helped us to 7th place. May it continue.

I'm with PColada on this issue. No question, Leno has been good for FFC and impactful in our last two wins.  That said, he doesn't pass the "eye test" for me.

Well then I'd suggest you need to check your vision. No, he's not one of the top, top GK's in the game right now, but he is very, very good and has been so since day 1 at Fulham (as all the stats/metrics make clear). We're very lucky to have him as he really could (and probably should) be playing for a "better" club.  You've been saying similar things about Leno for months and I find it just bizarre. What kind of GK were you expecting Fulham to sign...Courtois??? Alisson???

Different strokes, remember?

Eh, there's differences of opinion and then there's just being wrong. And comments from you like this a few months ago are just flat out wrong...

"I know many here think Leno has been solid, but I disagree."

Ok, I'm wrong.  And you're always right!!  Thanks for clearing that up.....

An excellent recruit to the team (contrary to the 'advice' from several North London 'experts').

Whoscored currently name him as top keeper in the PL.

Quote from: WindyCity on January 26, 2023, 05:46:46 PM

Quote from: Chi_FFC on January 26, 2023, 05:36:21 PM

Quote from: WindyCity on January 26, 2023, 05:23:38 PM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 26, 2023, 05:08:33 PM

Quote from: FreiBird on January 26, 2023, 12:38:08 AM

Quote from: Palhinha Colada on January 25, 2023, 07:19:19 PM
I'm pro-stats in general and think Leno's been good overall, but no one on this board would say Leno has been the best shotstopper in Europe this season having watched the season to this point. He hasn't stood out to that level.

Objectively wrong. We'd be in relegation zone without him.

No GK in the world is worth 14+ points in the table over half a season.  That's the last I'll say on this. Leno has been a good pickup and is having a fine season which has helped us to 7th place. May it continue.

I'm with PColada on this issue. No question, Leno has been good for FFC and impactful in our last two wins.  That said, he doesn't pass the "eye test" for me.

Well then I'd suggest you need to check your vision. No, he's not one of the top, top GK's in the game right now, but he is very, very good and has been so since day 1 at Fulham (as all the stats/metrics make clear). We're very lucky to have him as he really could (and probably should) be playing for a "better" club.  You've been saying similar things about Leno for months and I find it just bizarre. What kind of GK were you expecting Fulham to sign...Courtois??? Alisson???

Well then, I'd suggest you need to check your reading glasses.  I gave full props to Leno in our last two wins and acknowledged I was happy to have him at FFC and he has done well for the most part.  I just don't see him as an amazing GK as some have described here.  I'm just not a huge fan, but hope he can win me over as the season plays out.  Different strokes, remember?

You don't know ball.

Quote from: cmg on January 26, 2023, 06:09:46 PM

An excellent recruit to the team (contrary to the 'advice' from several North London 'experts').

Whoscored currently name him as top keeper in the PL.

Maybe Whoscored named him as top keeper but... but he doesn`t pass WindyCity`s eye test.

Windy, with all due respect, I don`t get how can someone not recognise Leno being such an excellent GK for us so far and how he embed calmness to our defence.

Quote from: river phoenix on January 27, 2023, 06:47:07 AM

Quote from: cmg on January 26, 2023, 06:09:46 PM

An excellent recruit to the team (contrary to the 'advice' from several North London 'experts').

Whoscored currently name him as top keeper in the PL.

Maybe Whoscored named him as top keeper but... but he doesn`t pass WindyCity`s eye test.

Windy, with all due respect, I don`t get how can someone not recognise Leno being such an excellent GK for us so far and how he embed calmness to our defence.

I think Leno is a massive benefit to Fulham this season, in every way. Top keeper.

I'm not surprised, and he's probably the quiet reason we have done so well. Very quick off his line and he looks to be enjoying himself as a number one again.

Really smart bit of business for £3m.

I wanted Areola back for the reported £9m but Leno is as good, if not better and a 3rd of the price.

Always felt bad for Rodak when we get promoted, but when the club is bringing in top quality additions, you understand.

tete has the highest completed percentage tackling stats in europe too. Our boys are really performing out of their skin

Leno has been very good. He is a top class keeper whether he is the best or the 5th best 0r among the top 20, he has done a good job. I'm more worried about the number of shots he has faced. What does that say about our defence?