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What is the point of this post ,the team picks itself. Well just to make it clear we want to see our best team out in order to pick up three points towards a top half of the table finish above Chelsea. No rotation please.

                                        Leno
                         Tete       Diop      Tosin    Robinson
                             
                                  Reed           Palhinha
                                          Cairney
                           Wilson                        Willian
                                          Mitro

 

Wouldn't be surprised to see Vinicius starting, with Mitro coming on sometime in the 2nd half

If Mitro is fit he starts surely

Quote from: Snibbo on May 12, 2023, 11:03:43 AMWouldn't be surprised to see Vinicius starting, with Mitro coming on sometime in the 2nd half

I thought the same Snibbo.

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Quote from: Snibbo on May 12, 2023, 11:03:43 AMWouldn't be surprised to see Vinicius starting, with Mitro coming on sometime in the 2nd half

I thought the same Snibbo.

I certainly would not be surprised if this happens.  If Mitro is not fully match fit (which he surely can't be) then it would be more beneficial to start Vinicius and bring on Mitro rather than the other way around.  Vini has been playing well and with confidence and that should continue if he starts.  Mitro to come on at half time either way- this should be the plan so Vini is aware and Mitro can really get stuck in for the 2nd half.

Surprised to hear doubt expressed about Mitro's fitness, 8 weeks since he last played ,surely he is fully fit and raring to go.

Quote from: filham on May 12, 2023, 12:12:48 PMSurprised to hear doubt expressed about Mitro's fitness, 8 weeks since he last played ,surely he is fully fit and raring to go.

Being fit and being match fit are two toatally different levels of fitness

Quote from: filham on May 12, 2023, 12:12:48 PMSurprised to hear doubt expressed about Mitro's fitness, 8 weeks since he last played ,surely he is fully fit and raring to go.

Big difference between training fitness and competitive match fitness/sharpness.

I think Mitro starts then Vinicius comes on no later than the 60th minute

I usually think if a player is doing well then he should keep his place.
Mitro is clearly number one but there should be no divine right to walk into the side. Vinny for 60 mins and then reintroduce Mitro.

Quote from: WhiteJC on May 12, 2023, 11:44:04 AM

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Agreed with the line up. I hope we wear this kit not that horrible mint green one we always lose in!

Quote from: WhiteJC on May 12, 2023, 11:44:04 AM

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Leno starting and on the bench, I know his good but?

Vinnie not even in squad

It would be good man management to keep Vinicius in the starting line up. It would help his confidence, and there is nothing to lose from not starting Mitro as its a non-consequential game.

Quote from: ffcthereligion on May 12, 2023, 01:42:13 PMIt would be good man management to keep Vinicius in the starting line up. It would help his confidence, and there is nothing to lose from not starting Mitro as its a non-consequential game.

Not for me. Vinicius is a reserve player and he knows that. Mitro has to come back in. It will be a big lift for the whole team to have him back.

Leno starting and on the bench, I know his good but?

Vinnie not even in squad
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Oops, your right I forgot to add Vinnie and Rodak  ::oh:: , I've now corrected my lineup...

Just don't see any point in starting him. The game is almost a dead match. He will not be match fit and will be far better as a threat coming on later in the game. Starting him will mean the team that has only just worked out how to play without a target man will have to suddenly change tactics again.

Be interesting to see what is decided.

I think Mitrovic has to start.  I don't understand 'not match fit' commentary.  He has been working out with the team during his banning, has had time off to hopefully heal whatever knocks he may have been carrying.  I see little difference from match fitness point of view than first game of the season and the game tomorrow.  Credit to Vinicius for his contributions, especially last three games or so.  But his position in this squad is as a backup.  I suspect he'll still get some game time tomorrow nonetheless. 

Quote from: filham on May 12, 2023, 12:12:48 PMSurprised to hear doubt expressed about Mitro's fitness, 8 weeks since he last played ,surely he is fully fit and raring to go.

He must have been training extra hard so yes.
I'd play Vinicius and Mitro and see if the referee notices

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Quote from: filham on May 12, 2023, 12:12:48 PMSurprised to hear doubt expressed about Mitro's fitness, 8 weeks since he last played ,surely he is fully fit and raring to go.

He must have been training extra hard so yes.
I'd play Vinicius and Mitro and see if the referee notices

and if he does say Oooops, sorry

Mito to start.
Tough on Vini but it's a ruthless business.

Quote from: andrew G on May 12, 2023, 01:02:04 PMI usually think if a player is doing well then he should keep his place.
Mitro is clearly number one but there should be no divine right to walk into the side. Vinny for 60 mins and then reintroduce Mitro.

agree with this

Quote from: Fulham 442 on May 12, 2023, 11:21:45 AM

Quote from: Snibbo on May 12, 2023, 11:03:43 AMWouldn't be surprised to see Vinicius starting, with Mitro coming on sometime in the 2nd half

I thought the same Snibbo.

So did I. We'll find out soon enough

Vinny starts. I thought he played well against Citeh and Liecester and does not deserve to be dropped. Mitro on at halftime unless Vinny's playing a blinder in which case on at 70 mins.

Or play both Mitro and Vinny in a 4-4-2 replacing TC, who comes on after 60 minutes when one of them is flagging

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..... not that horrible mint green one we always lose in!
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I'll be surprised if it isn't, Club would have cut prices on remaining stock to the bone by now if we weren't wearing it again. (And you've also got bits of black in Southampton's kit).

As a shirt I quite like it, but for the practicality of picking other players out on the pitch it just doesn't work.

..... not that horrible mint green one we always lose in!
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I'll be surprised if it isn't, Club would have cut prices on remaining stock to the bone by now if we weren't wearing it again. (And you've also got bits of black in Southampton's kit).

As a shirt I quite like it, but for the practicality of picking other players out on the pitch it just doesn't work.

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I a couple of away games recently we have played in good old back and white. Would love to see that again tomorrow and then again at Old Trafford.

Quote from: Lighthouse on May 12, 2023, 04:18:28 PMJust don't see any point in starting him. The game is almost a dead match. He will not be match fit and will be far better as a threat coming on later in the game. Starting him will mean the team that has only just worked out how to play without a target man will have to suddenly change tactics again.

Be interesting to see what is decided.

I would personally probably either start Vini or both of them because Vini doesn't deserve dropping.

That being said, I find the argument rgarding playing without targetman that many have mentioned ridiculous. There's nothing that Vini can do that Mitro can't, and there are things that Mitro can do that Vini can't.

It's tough call. Probably wasn't a couple of weeks ago. I have no idea who Silva will go with but I have faith that he'll make the right decision. If it was me I'd go with Mitro but can see why it  might be Vinicius.

The dressing room's atmosphere would crumble if you drop a player who is starting to perform like Vinnie.

Mitro have to be subbed-in.

Has Mitro ever scored coming off the bench for either us,Newcastle or Serbia?

Quote from: ..FOF.. on May 13, 2023, 04:39:47 AMThe dressing room's atmosphere would crumble if you drop a player who is starting to perform like Vinnie.

Mitro have to be subbed-in.

I think this issue is being blown out of all proportions. The dressing room won't crumble just because we start our first choice and best striker after his suspension ended.

Silva almost never surprises at all. Mitro starting is extremely likely to me.

Quote from: ..FOF.. on May 13, 2023, 04:39:47 AMThe dressing room's atmosphere would crumble if you drop a player who is starting to perform like Vinnie.

Mitro have to be subbed-in.

I already said that I'd either start Vini or both, but I don't agree with this. Tete, Palhinha, Robinson all came in straight away. Same with Mitro last season when he missed one or two games (Muniz played well in those games).

Quote from: Thailand Mick on May 13, 2023, 07:18:02 AMHas Mitro ever scored coming off the bench for either us,Newcastle or Serbia?

I can't remember him starting on the bench for Fulham much. He did get assists vs Sunderland this season and an assist vs Brentford in the playoff final. For Serbia, he scored that crucial winner vs Portugal off the bench, as well as a 25 minute(or something like that) brace vs Ireland. I remember him scoring for Newcastle against Joe Hart(I think it was West Ham) also coming off the bench.

Can you imagine the reaction on this board if Silva played most of the time against Southampton with Mitro on the bench and lost the match.

Quote from: WhiteJC on May 12, 2023, 04:17:52 PMLeno starting and on the bench, I know his good but?

Vinnie not even in squad

Oops, your right I forgot to add Vinnie and Rodak  ::oh:: , I've now corrected my lineup...

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Amend it again John James is injured -Hamstring. Dibley, Dobley Dias

Quote from: filham on May 13, 2023, 09:30:15 AMCan you imagine the reaction on this board if Silva played most of the time against Southampton with Mitro on the bench and lost the match.

Equally we could still lose with him on all game.

Quote from: ianthailand on May 13, 2023, 10:57:11 AMAmend it again John James is injured -Hamstring. Dibley, Dobley Dias

3rd time lucky ::tongue::
I've taken the opportunity of putting the young lad who won the Golden Boot for the under 18's...

Quote from: Sting of the North on May 13, 2023, 08:24:02 AMI think this issue is being blown out of all proportions. The dressing room won't crumble just because we start our first choice and best striker after his suspension ended.

Silva almost never surprises at all. Mitro starting is extremely likely to me.

Quote from: SerbianLad on May 13, 2023, 08:32:49 AMI already said that I'd either start Vini or both, but I don't agree with this. Tete, Palhinha, Robinson all came in straight away. Same with Mitro last season when he missed one or two games (Muniz played well in those games).

Quote from: Thailand Mick on May 13, 2023, 07:18:02 AMHas Mitro ever scored coming off the bench for either us,Newcastle or Serbia?

I can't remember him starting on the bench for Fulham much. He did get assists vs Sunderland this season and an assist vs Brentford in the playoff final. For Serbia, he scored that crucial winner vs Portugal off the bench, as well as a 25 minute(or something like that) brace vs Ireland. I remember him scoring for Newcastle against Joe Hart(I think it was West Ham) also coming off the bench.

Ok, fair enough.

Maybe I was thinking what I would personally do in such situation.

Definitely Silva have other dimensions to his management strategy.

Objectively Mitro is a far better footballer than Vinicius, who has proven a bit better than his first games suggested.  But he still loses personal battles more often than not and seems to need the ball handed to him on only certain styles of plate, at which point he's a decent finisher.  With Wilson and Willian in great form the space created by Mitro sucking opposition in, holding them off and cycling the ball ought to be far too much for Southampton.  Mitro scored 43 against Championship teams last season and that is Southampton's level.

I wouldn't worry too much about Mitro's match fitness after a light schedule for a month and a half.  He hit the ground running in the opener against Liverpool.