Silva needs to step in. 50% conversation rate is just too bad to be allowed to continue.
Sadly I have to agree. I admire that he continues to step up but he just isn't consistent enough.
We've known this for a couple of years. He cannot strike a ball hard enough - that's just not his strength.
While I agree we have to remember there was a problem before Mitro. Other players, including Tom Cairney with that sweet left foot, had demonstrated that they new how to miss a penalty.
Yeah I think the same , but , the one last week was perfect .so ? ? ?
Agree, Mitro is not the one to be taking them. Sad, because you it's your striker that you really want to be in form and full of confidence when it comes to both scoring goals and taking the penalty kicks.
I can't help but wonder if it would have been better for Willian to take the penalty kick.
I would let Willian take the penalties moving forward
It's his "placed" penalties that are often saved; if he could just stick to his occasional blasted penalties into the roof he'd never miss one.
It was well saved today. Mitro is taking them because we haven't had a decent, consistent Penalty Taker for some time before him. But United would have scored three had we been two up so on the whole let's look at how good the season has been and not spend too much time agonising over the penalty.
No team has beaten us easily this season so the good thing is we deserve to be here. We have been consistent. Yes a bad spell did for us for results but no huge defeats.
A good season and one to build on.
Quote from: LC on May 28, 2023, 06:47:49 PMI would let Willian take the penalties moving forward
Or Andreas
Nothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Think mitro needs one method blast it also seems to miss more away from the cottage.
To be a first choice penalty taker you have be consistent, and unfortunately Mitro is not.
Of course human nature being what it is, nobody is perfect and you can miss the odd one now and again, even the best penalty takers like Harry Kane can do that.
But Mitro's technique is regrettably floored that is fairly obvious.
He should acknowledge that and step down, or the manager must do it for him.
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 28, 2023, 07:01:46 PMIt was well saved today. Mitro is taking them because we haven't had a decent, consistent Penalty Taker for some time before him. But United would have scored three had we been two up so on the whole let's look at how good the season has been and not spend too much time agonising over the penalty.
No team has beaten us easily this season so the good thing is we deserve to be here. We have been consistent. Yes a bad spell did for us for results but no huge defeats.
A good season and one to build on.
"Well saved" it was at least a yard inside the post, very salable for most keepers.
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Perfectly legitimate criticism. Maybe you just to be slightly more tolerant of the fact that others can have an opinion of an in game incident, despite the fantastic season.
Quote from: DadCreature on May 28, 2023, 05:39:26 PMSilva needs to step in. 50% conversation rate is just too bad to be allowed to continue.
Agree - At this level Mitro for all his excellent work, is missing penalties to a level that is the diff between Euro qualification and not.
He knows his strengths, but he needs to acknowledge his weakness and pass it on
De Gea success save rate was around one pct before facing Mitrovic. Says it all.
Keepers always choose the correct way on he's penalties great strike against Palace by the way the best one he has taken
If I were Marco, I'd have plenty of penalty sessions involving pretty much the whole squad. I'd expect Joao and Harrison to be pretty good at them.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 28, 2023, 07:06:22 PMTo be a first choice penalty taker you have be consistent, and unfortunately Mitro is not.
Of course human nature being what it is, nobody is perfect and you can miss the odd one now and again, even the best penalty takers like Harry Kane can do that.
But Mitro's technique is regrettably floored that is fairly obvious.
He should acknowledge that and step down, or the manager must do it for him.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 28, 2023, 07:06:22 PMTo be a first choice penalty taker you have be consistent, and unfortunately Mitro is not.
Of course human nature being what it is, nobody is perfect and you can miss the odd one now and again, even the best penalty takers like Harry Kane can do that.
But Mitro's technique is regrettably floored that is fairly obvious.
He should acknowledge that and step down, or the manager must do it for him.
Agree. Apparently,he now holds the record for the most misses by a PL player (4) in a season.
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Oh sorry, I was under the mistaken impression that this was a discussion forum.
Quote from: Ruislip White on May 28, 2023, 07:16:45 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Perfectly legitimate criticism. Maybe you just to be slightly more tolerant of the fact that others can have an opinion of an in game incident, despite the fantastic season.
Why the constant moaning? You'll all be moaning if mitro goes to another club next season.
Mitro consistently gives away the direction he's shooting very early (in relative terms from a keeper's standpoint). That's why the keeper almost never goes the wrong way. It's an extremely easy read in both directions, and makes Mitro's margin for error very small. He never gets away with a mediocre pen.
Either he needs coaching to fix the obvious tells, or he can't take them next season.
New season, new penalty taker. At the premier league level - these are free goals given the expected level of talent, and we've simply missed too many.
Andreas when he returns, perhaps Willian until then
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:14:59 PMQuote from: Ruislip White on May 28, 2023, 07:16:45 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Perfectly legitimate criticism. Maybe you just to be slightly more tolerant of the fact that others can have an opinion of an in game incident, despite the fantastic season.
Why the constant moaning? You'll all be moaning if mitro goes to another club next season.
Mitro is a legend, this season has been legendary but he is naff at penalties, a fact cemented by the reality that he's become the first PL player in history to miss 4 penalties in one season. Love the fella to bits but he doesn't half advertise where he's going to kick it, and apart from the palace penalty I've never seen him properly smash one in which also doesn't help. It's not a huge criticism of him or the club but next season he shouldn't be taking them because the average conversion rate is 77% and his is 50%
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 28, 2023, 08:46:25 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:14:59 PMQuote from: Ruislip White on May 28, 2023, 07:16:45 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Perfectly legitimate criticism. Maybe you just to be slightly more tolerant of the fact that others can have an opinion of an in game incident, despite the fantastic season.
Why the constant moaning? You'll all be moaning if mitro goes to another club next season.
Mitro is a legend, this season has been legendary but he is naff at penalties, a fact cemented by the reality that he's become the first PL player in history to miss 4 penalties in one season. Love the fella to bits but he doesn't half advertise where he's going to kick it, and apart from the palace penalty I've never seen him properly smash one in which also doesn't help. It's not a huge criticism of him or the club but next season he shouldn't be taking them because the average conversion rate is 77% and his is 50%
Feels like a pretty fair post. No one is saying Mitro is not our talisman. But when you set a record for missed penalties seems a reasonable debate to have on a fan opinion forum.
Nothing like a bunch of old guys looking for something to moan about
Lukic is 4 from 4 but he likely won't start every match so can't have him as first choice
Their right he is not so good from a dead ball position i was better with a moving ball and with my head but I could not get it from a dead ball and even watching his Crystal Palace penalty it seemed arkward shot,everyone misses them kane and shearer did but an alternative is required.
This has to be put to bed and Mitro's ego has to be able to deal with it. He is a legend for us but it's time to step away from taking pens. Marco is strong enough
De Gea never saves penalties. Fulhamish.
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:14:59 PMQuote from: Ruislip White on May 28, 2023, 07:16:45 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Perfectly legitimate criticism. Maybe you just to be slightly more tolerant of the fact that others can have an opinion of an in game incident, despite the fantastic season.
Why the constant moaning? You'll all be moaning if mitro goes to another club next season.
I don't want Mitro to leave, but can criticise his ability to take a penalty. I guess that nuance is lost on you. You'd rather rip into other Fulham fans than look at things objectively...
Quote from: Ruislip White on May 28, 2023, 09:43:06 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:14:59 PMQuote from: Ruislip White on May 28, 2023, 07:16:45 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Perfectly legitimate criticism. Maybe you just to be slightly more tolerant of the fact that others can have an opinion of an in game incident, despite the fantastic season.
Why the constant moaning? You'll all be moaning if mitro goes to another club next season.
I don't want Mitro to leave, but can criticise his ability to take a penalty. I guess that nuance is lost on you. You'd rather rip into other Fulham fans than look at things objectively...
quite correct. Season is over. Time to focus on how we get better next season.
I have said before that he opens his body too early and so telegraphs by a fraction of a second which way he is going
If I'm correct,had Mitro not missed 5 penalties this season his goal tally would have been 18 from 25 games.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on May 28, 2023, 10:52:11 PMIf I'm correct,had Mitro not missed 5 penalties this season his goal tally would have been 18 from 25 games.
He would have had 18, but he missed 4 penalties and scored 14 goals.
Quote from: SerbianLad on May 28, 2023, 11:00:24 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on May 28, 2023, 10:52:11 PMIf I'm correct,had Mitro not missed 5 penalties this season his goal tally would have been 18 from 25 games.
He would have had 18, but he missed 4 penalties and scored 14 goals.
Was discussing this today with another Fulham fan. The silver lining with his penalty incompetence is that if he scored 18, other clubs would be in for him. At 14, no one is interested and we keep him for another season.
Quote from: Ruislip White on May 28, 2023, 11:12:16 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on May 28, 2023, 11:00:24 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on May 28, 2023, 10:52:11 PMIf I'm correct,had Mitro not missed 5 penalties this season his goal tally would have been 18 from 25 games.
He would have had 18, but he missed 4 penalties and scored 14 goals.
Was discussing this today with another Fulham fan. The silver lining with his penalty incompetence is that if he scored 18, other clubs would be in for him. At 14, no one is interested and we keep him for another season.
Maybe, but I think he would have stayed at Fulham regardless.
Interestingly enough, Mitro has more goals per 90 minutes than Toney, and if you look at non penalty goals he's even more ahead of him. Mitro's season has gone a bit under the radar, perhaps because it could have been even better (possibly a lot better) had he not been injured/suspended.
He should be off the penalties though.
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:14:59 PMQuote from: Ruislip White on May 28, 2023, 07:16:45 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Perfectly legitimate criticism. Maybe you just to be slightly more tolerant of the fact that others can have an opinion of an in game incident, despite the fantastic season.
Why the constant moaning? You'll all be moaning if mitro goes to another club next season.
Why can't we moan his penalty's are crap,he's stuffed up both games against utd now.
Quote from: FulhamKC on May 28, 2023, 07:02:21 PMQuote from: LC on May 28, 2023, 06:47:49 PMI would let Willian take the penalties moving forward
Or Andreas
+1. Even with his fractured ankle!
Mitro can carry on taking them as far as I'm concerned but you have to be coached in the art of scoring them. It's not as easy as you think. You can score them 9 times out of 10 against amateurs but when you come up against top pro's it's a bit different
Jaoa Palhinha for me, he strikes the ball hard and never looks nervous
The person who should be most upset is Mitro himself.
14 Premier League Goals 2022/23 (Actual)
+2 (say) if he had scored 2 of those 4 missed penalities
+2 (say) in the 8-game ban
would have given him 18 PL goals, possibly more.
Mitro's technique for penalty's is flawed.
He must know that himself unless he is in denial.
Nonetheless if Silva fails to pass the penalty taking to a better technically qualified player.
Then he is as much to blame for the penalty misses as is Mitro.
Tom should be the first choice when he is on the field of play.
Mitro has to address his shortcomings and think of the team first and foremost.
Down to Mitro to put the good of the team first and step down from pens. It has literally cost us at least 5 points this season. Next season those 5 points could be even more important
If a manager wants to change his penalty taker he wants to avoid damaging the confidence of the previous one. If there's a good time to do it, it will be over close season and ideally someone who comes in will be expert in that field. Least damage to Mitro's esteem.
I've said in past and I'll say again, as long as Mitrovic is in this team, he will be taking the PK's. It's solely on him to improve this aspect of his game and become better at it. His PK v Palace was excellent, well struck and upper half of net. The thing about good PK takers is that even if keeper guesses correctly, they still can score the goal. Obviously Mitrovic has not been consistent in this part of the game.
It will be on Mitrovic to relinquish those duties if he personally feels that others in the team can do better and/or if he does not want to put the training/work effort in to become better at PK's. Sure, it's possible MS can have some say in this situation, but in my view it rests with Mitrovic.
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
Ha, this is a fan forum, nothing wrong with discussion of any facet of FFC show. Agreed, terrific season, but there is always room for improvement, and the topic of this conversation is fair game in any sports forum.
I reckon all pro's should be well capable to taking a successful pen, but it's a lot to do with confidence and coping with the stress of the situation on the day.
It's one thing to be able to react quickly in the box and using your skills to score brilliant goals, as Mitro does so well, but another to step up in front of a vast, baying crowd, and put the ball in the back of the net, as I'm sure Mitro does with ease in training.
Also the keepers jumping about and seemingly diving in anticipation before the ball is kicked, and off his line as De Gea was - GJ reckoned the pen definitely should have been retaken, is something else to cope with.
I'm unsure of the present rules, but in the past keepers weren't allowed to move before the ball was kicked, and this rule was strongly enforced by refs.
But successful pen takers can cope with all the gamesmanship and keeper actions, and remain cool, and put the ball in the back of the net.
Berbatov was one of the best I've seen, though Jim Langley was pretty good, though he missed one for England, but Berba always oozed confidence when he stepped up, and bamboozled the keeper, and I think he never missed a pen in this country, and certainly not for us.
But most pen takers should forget the tricks of the likes of Berba, and Mitro certainly doesn't go in for all that, but crucially lacks confidence for this, I think, and once you've missed a few, it must always be playing on your mind when you step up.
But is there someone else prepared to take on the responsibility, and who is more than likely to score? because these opportunities are so important to take advantage of in the Prem.
Mitro is not 9 years old, he is an adult and should take disappointment on the chin.
If i was the manager i would be
more worried about what the other players are thinking than what Mito is thinking.
Of course if i was Silva i would take Mitro aside and have a man to
man talk with him and explain the position, and he should understand anyway.
After all you have a choice, you either cheese off one player or cheese off ten others.
As long as it is highlighted to
him his real strengths to soften the blow.
To continue to miss penalties i would have thought would have a more detrimental effect on his confidence than gently explaining to him that you would be replacing him with a another player to
take the spot kicks.
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:58:10 PMNothing like a bunch of old guys looking for something to moan about
Not so much of the old, old
timer.
It's a constructive debate on how to help Fulham to improve avoiding defeat and also to win games.
Very important to get the basics right, and taking pens successfully comes under the category of basics.
Now is the time to deliberate whilst footballers add up during the summer break their enormous over inflated salaries in their counting houses.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 29, 2023, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:58:10 PMNothing like a bunch of old guys looking for something to moan about
Not so much of the old, old
timer.
It's a constructive debate on how to help Fulham to improve avoiding defeat and also to win games.
Very important to get the basics right, and taking pens successfully comes under the category of basics.
Now is the time to deliberate whilst footballers add up during the summer break their enormous over inflated salaries in their counting houses.
Ahhh Mr Woolly, I've never seen so many experts that haven't played one minute of professional football voicing their top quality advice.
I don't know how Mr Silva has managed without having them on the payroll.
The site has become a whingers paradise, where before it used to be an enjoyable place to spend a little time, speak about Ffc and have a laugh and joke.
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:58:10 PMNothing like a bunch of old guys looking for something to moan about
Broken record.
Quote from: Twig on May 29, 2023, 09:17:05 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:58:10 PMNothing like a bunch of old guys looking for something to moan about
Broken record.
Get a life
Clearly we want to kick on next season.inevitably a big part of that will be down to our transfer dealings. However we also need to see further improvement from our existing squad, this season Ream and Reed are just two examples. I say this to try to illustrate to Mr Blingo that this isn't a moaning thread, rather it's a thread discussing one modest area where Marco might possibly squeeze a bit of improvement out of his existing squad.
Quote from: blingo on May 29, 2023, 09:24:44 PMQuote from: Twig on May 29, 2023, 09:17:05 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:58:10 PMNothing like a bunch of old guys looking for something to moan about
Broken record.
Get a life
So I've tried to offer a sensible and balanced post. Why don't you have a go?
Quote from: Twig on May 29, 2023, 09:26:34 PMClearly we want to kick on next season.inevitably a big part of that will be down to our transfer dealings. However we also need to see further improvement from our existing squad, this season Ream and Reed are just two examples. I say this to try to illustrate to Mr Blingo that this isn't a moaning thread, rather it's a thread discussing one modest area where Marco might possibly squeeze a bit of improvement out of his existing squad.
You are simply rehashing what Marco Silva has already said. Nothing new or worth discussing until the club brings in and/or sells players. Silva states clearly that he is always looking for improvement in players.
So your point is???
Quote from: blingo on May 29, 2023, 08:07:30 PMQuote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 29, 2023, 05:02:30 PMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 08:58:10 PMNothing like a bunch of old guys looking for something to moan about
Not so much of the old, old
timer.
It's a constructive debate on how to help Fulham to improve avoiding defeat and also to win games.
Very important to get the basics right, and taking pens successfully comes under the category of basics.
Now is the time to deliberate whilst footballers add up during the summer break their enormous over inflated salaries in their counting houses.
Ahhh Mr Woolly, I've never seen so many experts that haven't played one minute of professional football voicing their top quality advice.
I don't know how Mr Silva has managed without having them on the payroll.
The site has become a whingers paradise, where before it used to be an enjoyable place to spend a little time, speak about Ffc and have a laugh and joke.
Then why are YOU whinging Mr Blingo
Just shaking the Bush boss, just shaking the bush
Of all the things Marco Silva has done for us within the space of two seasons he apparently has been neglectful in seeking to find a penalty taker according to the the fickle OP and those in agreement with its sentiment. What a shameful bunch of ungrateful people you are.
The art of football and managing it is to have successful seasons as teams - whole units - and we live and die by the whole team and the whole squad and not just the bits we like to have a poke at assessing or criticising. Mitro has had better and worse seasons and it is what it is.
I am sure in the process of assessing what needs to be done when the coaching regime starts over again in a few weeks time penalty taking will have its place in the order of things at it always does and change will be consider as it always is without reference to this thread or any other thread.
Mitro is a professional and, just as he once did before the current manager arrived, he'll give way if he feels the need to even on the spur of the moment without fickle commentary from anywhere else. If there are ready made solutions in real time they are looked at professionally but it is seldom that easy to resolve problems like penalty takers as we have seen in the past and not just at FFC.
Finding fans with very short memories and attention spans is like shooting ducks at a fair.
As it is a simple game.
I feel i have a more simple explanation.
If a player has a history of missing penalties and is currently still missing penalties far more often than is acceptable.
Then he should be replaced. Especially as there are better alternatives in the team anyway.
If you were asked to choose a current Fulham player to take a penalty to save your life and you chose mitro, then you may have to expect a short life span.
There is nothing fickle about identifying that a player has had short comings over a period of time that is reducing Fulham's chances of obtaining results which the consequences are that the team are dropping points because of that player's shortcomings.
It does not matter if a player is the best player in the team, if he is missing penalties far too often which he is, then the manager selects another player.
If Mitro cannot or will not see that then he is being selfish at the expense of the team.
He clearly has a floor in his technique, and possibly a weakness in his mentality when he is preparing to take one.
Is he thinking too much, is he changing his mind, is he telegraphing where he is going to place the ball.
Assuming that he practices to try and improve his technique, he has not made any progress.
You don't have to be a so called expert to identify when a player whose ratio of converting penalty kicks is mediocre to make a judgement on his inability, any more than you don't have to go down a coal mine to find out it is dark inside.
Quote from: blingo on May 29, 2023, 10:35:05 PMJust shaking the Bush boss, just shaking the bush
Has anything or anyone of interest fallen out of this Bush, not a Shepherd i hope, or somebody called Kate, or even a Mulberry.
The point I made is that if change was needed AND COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED then I am sure it would have been made a long time ago (the example I gave of when ANOther took the ball and stuck it on the spot and missed and was never forgiven for it).
Short memories are made of that and that was my comment. Glad to make it clearer if need be.
Quote from: toshes mate on May 30, 2023, 07:28:07 AMThe point I made is that if change was needed AND COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED then I am sure it would have been made a long time ago (the example I gave of when ANOther took the ball and stuck it on the spot and missed and was never forgiven for it).
Short memories are made of that and that was my comment. Glad to make it clearer if need be.
Thank you.
Quote from: toshes mate on May 30, 2023, 07:28:07 AMThe point I made is that if change was needed AND COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED then I am sure it would have been made a long time ago (the example I gave of when ANOther took the ball and stuck it on the spot and missed and was never forgiven for it).
Short memories are made of that and that was my comment. Glad to make it clearer if need be.
It's a fair point. Silva doesn't miss much and so it's probably fair to conclude that he just doesn't fancy the alternatives.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 30, 2023, 07:20:36 AMQuote from: blingo on May 29, 2023, 10:35:05 PMJust shaking the Bush boss, just shaking the bush
Has anything or anyone of interest fallen out of this Bush, not a Shepherd i hope, or somebody called Kate, or even a Mulberry.
I think someone set fire to it.
Quote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
From a cup half-full perspective though Blingo, if the worst thing to moan about is the fact we don't have a consistent penalty-taker, I can put up with that, somewhat, minor critique, and call it a good season, mate.
Quote from: Logicalman on May 30, 2023, 11:47:00 AMQuote from: blingo on May 28, 2023, 07:04:31 PMNothing like finding something to moan about after a fantastic season. Give yourselves an uppercut
From a cup half-full perspective though Blingo, if the worst thing to moan about is the fact we don't have a consistent penalty-taker, I can put up with that, somewhat, minor critique, and call it a good season, mate.
My whole point Mr Logical. We've had a great season. Let's celebrate and see what rabbits Marco pulls out of the hat. As far as I'm concerned, I don't want to criticise anyone in our squad, they have done brilliantly well in our first season back in the top flight. I can't wait to see who goes, who comes in and how we perform next season, but that is ALL down to MS and the Khans. If we finish higher next season than 10th I for one will be over the moon.
