For the first time i found myself unbothered by losing to them. Boehly appears to have made them so much less nasty as a set up. Where are all the d**khead players of old? Is he trying to rebrand Chelsea as club more befitting of the name "Chelsea"? They still have their fans, but it looks like even they are being phased out:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/30/chelsea-owners-may-see-clubs-own-fans-as-obstacles-in-violent-new-world
The lack of care towards "legacy" fans now seems to be evident at both ends of SW6. So, are we entering a football world where the main fans will be global, who have chosen their football team by the colour of their shirts or what animal the mascot is (or whatever their friend at school has chosen), where pilgrimages are made every once in a while to stadiums when visiting the country. And where being in the stands at Stamford Bridge won't seem too different from being in the stand at Craven Cottage?... .... or even Saudi Arabia? ::cry::
So, on the surface Chelsea moving on from being an outlier as individually the worst club in the world seems a good thing; but perhaps their new model is actually collectively worse for everyone in the long run?
I know what you mean they didn't really bother me last night either, plus I like their manager
At the end of the day their just a Soulless mega money club
only when they loose
No.
Nope.
It's a no from me.
NO —- Sorry
Their transformation provides a different set of unappetising characteristics. Russo-klepto-vanity project wasn't a great look, with John Terry a reprehensibly worthy flag bearer for it. But the basic fabric of football was unaltered.
When super breakaway league mkII makes an appearance, you can bet that the types behind Chelsea will be pushing for it. That could prove considerably worse.
NO!!!!!!!!! Sky Sports will soon be opening a dedicated channel to Chelsea FC, last nights build up was ridiculous and nauseating, our performance or lack of, just made the whole evening 1 to forget!!
Sorry to say on reflection the topic heading is :slap: , sorry to the OP!
Absolutely not!!
No, no and no...
I've never been as hard against them as some on this board. But they are one club that I have grown to detest since Abramovich and his buying power. And supporters who have been pampered by being able to watch the best player# coming to the club. So I still don't like them and I doubt I ever will
Quote from: Carborundum on October 03, 2023, 07:12:06 PMTheir transformation provides a different set of unappetising characteristics. Russo-klepto-vanity project wasn't a great look, with John Terry a reprehensibly worthy flag bearer for it. But the basic fabric of football was unaltered.
When super breakaway league mkII makes an appearance, you can bet that the types behind Chelsea will be pushing for it. That could prove considerably worse.
Yes, you remove the knuckle draggers and are left with.... Well, a "soulless mega club" in a separate super league. Left longing for the good-ol'days where knuckle draggers weren't a dying breed (and the tribalism was still there)
It's a big no from me..
No ...
No, No and thrice No
No
no
This must be one of the first threads in the history of the board where everybody (bar the op) is in absolute agreement. :slap:
No. 40+ years of disliking them and it's not going to change.
I hated them more when they had Terry, Drogba, Lampard, Ashley Cole etc playing for them. I definitely hate them less now if you know what I mean. Just have no feeling about them either way. Nowadays my most disliked team is Brentford. Just cannot stand their manager, Toney, their fans. Wont happen but I would love them to get relegated.
Quote from: Jules on October 04, 2023, 11:31:29 AMI hated them more when they had Terry, Drogba, Lampard, Ashley Cole etc playing for them. I definitely hate them less now if you know what I mean. Just have no feeling about them either way. Nowadays my most disliked team is Brentford. Just cannot stand their manager, Toney, their fans. Wont happen but I would love them to get relegated.
Yeah. I used to detest them. Even when they had Rudiger, Alonso, Mount, Kepa (and player power) etc they were very unlikeable. Perhaps i just don't know their latest players well enough yet.
My point was that the Chelsea that formed from the waifs and strays of our lot (in 1919) and developed into a racist club (that only very recently was abusing Raheem Sterling) seems to be being converted into something with an identity that has no alignment with their past. At first glance i can't help but like that (and after all they had no history before all the money), but upon reflection, as stated in my final sentence of the OP, i questioned are they now becoming more of an evil because of it? I was aware that i didn't have total clarity in my thoughts when i wrote it and thought people would be able to add some detail to this. Which some have. I definitely wasn't trying to influence people to think something else, otherwise why would i write something that is a little contradictory. I didn't expect so many people irritated by a subject heading that said "MORE likeable". Maybe i should have put "less objectionable". But Glad to see there is still a lot of unity amongst us in our rivalry with our old friends in SW6 (for now at least).
Respectfully, i'd say i don't understand why this is even a topic.
I realise that some will have disliked them less because, as kids, they were taken to both grounds, but most of us dislike them with a passion.
Next you'll be saying you're warming to John Terry !!
Quote from: Barrett487 on October 04, 2023, 12:19:07 PMRespectfully, i'd say i don't understand why this is even a topic.
I realise that some will have disliked them less because, as kids, they were taken to both grounds, but most of us dislike them with a passion.
Next you'll be saying you're warming to John Terry !!
I've literally just said he was one of the main reasons why i didn't like Chelsea so much.
I was not taken to both grounds. In fact i am of the generation where my adolescent school days were when we were in ""Division 3"" (whilst Chelsea started flexing with Gullit and Vialli etc). Chelsea kids had hardly even heard of Fulham in those days. We were like some novel concept at our crumbling "ground"... as they built their super "stadium".
If you want to talk about passion for the fixture, i made the front page of the Fulham Chronicle with a banner i made when we played Chelsea for the first time in decades (i smuggled into Stamford Bridge), after we made it back to the Premier League. I also made a second one (on a burberry bed sheet ::smile:: ) that never saw the light of day because it rained over night before the paint dried.
ive never disliked chelsea . some of the strokes pulled when the russian was there leave plenty to be desired but my familiy originated equi distant between both clubs and my dad was chelsea but my cousins took me to fulham in the fifties and that was it for me . still attending 60 odd years later . i just feel hating the club up the road quite immature . spurs and gunners classic example.
Never have disliked them more than any other club. They have traditionally been the big club to our minnows. But local rivalry has always seemed pointless. When most of the fans don't live in the area anyway.
John Hollins was always one of my favourite players as a youngster. He was captain of my Subbuteo England Team.
But more likeable? No I don't find then any more likeable.
No. My disappointment the other day was that Fulham did not show up to play against Chelsea who put out a team of kids, can't win a raffle and then they play us. ::angry::
Quote from: jarv on October 04, 2023, 01:21:28 PMNo. My disappointment the other day was that Fulham did not show up to play against Chelsea who put out a team of kids, can't win a raffle and then they play us. ::angry::
I think the most disappointing thing about the day was they actually looked quite good (and with a load of kids). They have been terrible for a while, so it was fun while it lasted. If only we could have played them a couple of weeks earlier
No.
Next question.
I find them easier to laugh at if that's included in 'likeable'? Otherwise, no, I find them worse and a huge reason I find myself rather disillusioned with the game. The amount of ribbing I got from a side so far fallen from grace, that beating Fulham, and going level on points with them is considered a win whilst in the same breathe, talking about 'building' off it whilst sat 11th......
The clubs played by tits, run by tits and supported by tits.
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 04, 2023, 06:29:07 PMI find them easier to laugh at if that's included in 'likeable'? Otherwise, no, I find them worse and a huge reason I find myself rather disillusioned with the game. The amount of ribbing I got from a side so far fallen from grace, that beating Fulham, and going level on points with them is considered a win whilst in the same breathe, talking about 'building' off it whilst sat 11th......
The clubs played by tits, run by tits and supported by tits.
Fair play. I guess not having anything to do with any Chelsea fans these days is a big reason for not caring about them so much any more. Then all i see are the antics of players.
Apologies for any offence caused by my post.
Quote from: Cambridge Away on October 04, 2023, 06:37:53 PMQuote from: FFC1987 on October 04, 2023, 06:29:07 PMI find them easier to laugh at if that's included in 'likeable'? Otherwise, no, I find them worse and a huge reason I find myself rather disillusioned with the game. The amount of ribbing I got from a side so far fallen from grace, that beating Fulham, and going level on points with them is considered a win whilst in the same breathe, talking about 'building' off it whilst sat 11th......
The clubs played by tits, run by tits and supported by tits.
Fair play. I guess not having anything to do with any Chelsea fans these days is a big reason for not caring about them so much any more. Then all i see are the antics of players.
Apologies for any offence caused by my post.
Haha, don't worry buddy, you didn't cause any offence and anyone's welcome to like them. I just don't personally.
No, club full of racist fans (alongside their club legend) that employed a drink-driving murderer at LB, who bankrolled their way to the top using blood money and now are distorting the financial playing field yet again. Scumbags, the day they fold will be party time.
Quote from: Cambridge Away on October 04, 2023, 12:41:37 PMQuote from: Barrett487 on October 04, 2023, 12:19:07 PMRespectfully, i'd say i don't understand why this is even a topic.
I realise that some will have disliked them less because, as kids, they were taken to both grounds, but most of us dislike them with a passion.
Next you'll be saying you're warming to John Terry !!
I've literally just said he was one of the main reasons why i didn't like Chelsea so much.
I was not taken to both grounds. In fact i am of the generation where my adolescent school days were when we were in ""Division 3"" (whilst Chelsea started flexing with Gullit and Vialli etc). Chelsea kids had hardly even heard of Fulham in those days. We were like some novel concept at our crumbling "ground"... as they built their super "stadium".
If you want to talk about passion for the fixture, i made the front page of the Fulham Chronicle with a banner i made when we played Chelsea for the first time in decades (i smuggled into Stamford Bridge), after we made it back to the Premier League. I also made a second one (on a burberry bed sheet ::smile:: ) that never saw the light of day because it rained over night before the paint dried.
Fair enough, but it was only the final line of my post that was aimed at you and you've answered that. The thing about the post subject, is obviously questioning your decision to post it, but hey this is a forum for discussion... i just wouldn't have thought to ask the question.
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 04, 2023, 06:29:07 PMThe clubs played by tits, run by tits and supported by tits.
This is fLIcking perfect!
Quote from: Cambridge Away on October 04, 2023, 06:37:53 PMApologies for any offence caused by my post.
Don't be daft, it was a valid question mate!
You've offended nobody with this, I can assure you.
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on October 04, 2023, 08:13:30 PMNo, club full of racist fans (alongside their club legend) that employed a drink-driving murderer at LB, who bankrolled their way to the top using blood money and now are distorting the financial playing field yet again. Scumbags, the day they fold will be party time.
Harsh, but fair 🍻
