Why not give him a few games and see how he does. Can't be worse than the two we are playing up top, and he has at least scored 5 goals for us in the Championship. He is the closest in terms of style of play that we have to Mitrovic. What can we lose?
Blingo we have nothing to lose ,let him play.
I'd agree, we have nothing to lose int hr striker department right now, the 2 we've been playing are both shocking.
If we try Muniz and he's shocking also we are no worse off.
Don't see how he could be any worse and he may well be a better option.
Now you've gone and jinxed him Bongo,
Muniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Quote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Quote from: perry geyton on October 25, 2023, 12:43:02 PMNow you've gone and jinxed him Bongo,
Too early for you. Back to bed Piri.
Quote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Totally agree if Marco watches him in training and sees nothing there is no logic in seeing him do nothing on the pitch when there are points at stake
Quote from: Andy S on October 25, 2023, 01:29:39 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Totally agree if Marco watches him in training and sees nothing there is no logic in seeing him do nothing on the pitch when there are points at stake
If Marco sees nothing he wouldn't be at Fulham, or he wouldn't be in the squad, and he certainly wouldn't be on the bench
He seems to be the most physically imposing of the three. He puts his head in and seems on the brief bits we have seen to be powerful and awkward.
Quote from: Andy S on October 25, 2023, 01:29:39 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Totally agree if Marco watches him in training and sees nothing there is no logic in seeing him do nothing on the pitch when there are points at stake
He clearly sees something but feels the other players are better. I've not seen enough of him to judge whether he's up to it at this level.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 25, 2023, 02:12:23 PMQuote from: Andy S on October 25, 2023, 01:29:39 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Totally agree if Marco watches him in training and sees nothing there is no logic in seeing him do nothing on the pitch when there are points at stake
He clearly sees something but feels the other players are better. I've not seen enough of him to judge whether he's up to it at this level.
I think until we acquire a Fernandez/Maddison or some cleverness in midfield we'll never know. I still think Jimenez in a side creating decent chances, is the best option
Quote from: JimOG on October 25, 2023, 02:18:26 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 25, 2023, 02:12:23 PMQuote from: Andy S on October 25, 2023, 01:29:39 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Totally agree if Marco watches him in training and sees nothing there is no logic in seeing him do nothing on the pitch when there are points at stake
He clearly sees something but feels the other players are better. I've not seen enough of him to judge whether he's up to it at this level.
I think until we acquire a Fernandez/Maddison or some cleverness in midfield we'll never know. I still think Jimenez in a side creating decent chances, is the best option
but he has forgot where the net is
In a club shirt of any color.
Quote from: JimOG on October 25, 2023, 02:18:26 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 25, 2023, 02:12:23 PMQuote from: Andy S on October 25, 2023, 01:29:39 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Totally agree if Marco watches him in training and sees nothing there is no logic in seeing him do nothing on the pitch when there are points at stake
He clearly sees something but feels the other players are better. I've not seen enough of him to judge whether he's up to it at this level.
I think until we acquire a Fernandez/Maddison or some cleverness in midfield we'll never know. I still think Jimenez in a side creating decent chances, is the best option
Jimenez hasn't scored for 30 games, can people please stop, it's not fair on him.
Quote from: JimOG on October 25, 2023, 02:18:26 PMQuote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 25, 2023, 02:12:23 PMQuote from: Andy S on October 25, 2023, 01:29:39 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Totally agree if Marco watches him in training and sees nothing there is no logic in seeing him do nothing on the pitch when there are points at stake
He clearly sees something but feels the other players are better. I've not seen enough of him to judge whether he's up to it at this level.
I think until we acquire a Fernandez/Maddison or some cleverness in midfield we'll never know. I still think Jimenez in a side creating decent chances, is the best option
I agree Raul is the best option for his overall game, maybe Iwobi as a 10 can help with the chance creation. Raul needs that first goal to come soon.
Quote from: blingo on October 25, 2023, 12:22:08 PMWhy not give him a few games and see how he does. Can't be worse than the two we are playing up top, and he has at least scored 5 goals for us in the Championship. He is the closest in terms of style of play that we have to Mitrovic. What can we lose?
I actually think he's decent, just needs a run of games. I'd play him, he linked well with Mitro I thought so maybe he can with one of the other two?
Players always look better in cameos.
Quote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Premier League football isn't a game of chance. We've all seen Muniz and also know that he couldn't hold a place in the Championship with Middlesbrough last season. He simply isn't the answer. I'd love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it.
Quote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 03:49:02 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Premier League football isn't a game of chance. We've all seen Muniz and also know that he couldn't hold a place in the Championship with Middlesbrough last season. He simply isn't the answer. I'd love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it.
None of the strikers we own are the answer. We may as well play the one we could actually get a fee for imo.
Quote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 03:49:02 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Premier League football isn't a game of chance. We've all seen Muniz and also know that he couldn't hold a place in the Championship with Middlesbrough last season. He simply isn't the answer. I'd love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it.
Boro's gameplan changed when Carrick took over, and no one was going to replace Akpom with his form. Muniz just wasn't the speedy striker the tactics demanded.
Raul is still my choice. His misses aren't far off, and he's actually hitting the target, it's just not with confidence enough to put his laces through. However, he holds the ball up well, wins headers, and distributes passes well. I'm fine with Vini as well, even though he's just a bit more wild and doesn't distribute under pressure as well as Raul. Scoring goals though, so he should start and bring Raul in the second half.
Well we gave Jiminez and Vinnie 45 minutes each against Spurs, perhaps Brighton may find it difficult to adjust if we give each of our three strikers 30 minutes each.
Yes we have purchased three strikers as Mitro substitutes and all they have given us is a problem of how to move them on. That sounds bitter and cruel but it is the severe lack of goals that drives me to say it.
Quote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 03:49:02 PMQuote from: Chutney on October 25, 2023, 01:19:42 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
Our current strikers are awful, so why not play the youngest of them and see if they can develop?
Premier League football isn't a game of chance. We've all seen Muniz and also know that he couldn't hold a place in the Championship with Middlesbrough last season. He simply isn't the answer. I'd love to be proved wrong but I just can't see it.
Bring back Stansfield. If they're good enough they're old enough!
I get the idea of..."what do we have to lose" and "it cant get worse."
But honestly it can. The team clearly knows Muniz is the guy and it doesnt just magically happen at the top level if it doesnt happen in practice or in the CHampionship
On one hand, Jiminez finds himself in good spots and is very close to scoring some goals. But on the other he looks unconfident and just needs one to hit the back of hte net.
Sadly, I would keep Jiminez and just hope one of these finds the back of the net.
Muniz has looked bright in the cameos he has made so far this season in my opinion. I think Silva was impressed with him in pre-season also .. hope he gets a shot at some point as I think he definitely has a high ceiling. Definitely a handful
Also, I actually think Jimenez and Vinicius both did alright against Tottenham - we could have had anyone up front and it would have been difficult. Jimenez especially I thought linked up with our midfielders well
Quote from: fancyfeet4 on October 25, 2023, 05:27:35 PMI get the idea of..."what do we have to lose" and "it cant get worse."
But honestly it can. The team clearly knows Muniz is the guy and it doesnt just magically happen at the top level if it doesnt happen in practice or in the CHampionship
On one hand, Jiminez finds himself in good spots and is very close to scoring some goals. But on the other he looks unconfident and just needs one to hit the back of hte net.
Sadly, I would keep Jiminez and just hope one of these finds the back of the net.
This just isn't true for Jimenez though, he has scored recently for Mexico against very poor opposition. his issue is ability not confidence. He's absolutely fine when the opponents are bad.
Quote from: Cambridge Away on October 25, 2023, 03:28:41 PMPlayers always look better in cameos.
Should get them to play 30min each then!
Quote from: Chutney on October 26, 2023, 01:29:43 PMQuote from: fancyfeet4 on October 25, 2023, 05:27:35 PMI get the idea of..."what do we have to lose" and "it cant get worse."
But honestly it can. The team clearly knows Muniz is the guy and it doesnt just magically happen at the top level if it doesnt happen in practice or in the CHampionship
On one hand, Jiminez finds himself in good spots and is very close to scoring some goals. But on the other he looks unconfident and just needs one to hit the back of hte net.
Sadly, I would keep Jiminez and just hope one of these finds the back of the net.
This just isn't true for Jimenez though, he has scored recently for Mexico against very poor opposition. his issue is ability not confidence. He's absolutely fine when the opponents are bad.
Agree. He always seems to be a yard short of pace and/or on the wrong side of defenders to use the chances he gets.
i'd try bdr up front. im sure its been tried before when mitro was out.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on October 26, 2023, 04:19:14 PMi'd try bdr up front. im sure its been tried before when mitro was out.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on October 26, 2023, 04:19:14 PMi'd try bdr up front. im sure its been tried before when mitro was out.
Silva tried it away to Brighton last season. It didn't work. I think BDR played in three different positions in that game. Vinicius and Solomon came on as second half subs and combined for Solomon to score an unlikely winner.
Muniz is the weakest technically of our three main strikers (and BDR) but football is a funny sport and he could well be the better scorer of the three.
When Mitro was out Vini scored a few important goals for us, he was also our joint second top scorer in the Prem and clear second top scorer in all comps last season. I'm not for one moment suggesting he's the answer, but I think his track record for us suggests he's the best of a poor bunch of choices.
Quote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
If he wasn't good enough to play for an average Championship side which had him on loan, how can he possibly be good enough for an average Premier League team?
Quote from: TC's Sporran on October 26, 2023, 04:19:14 PMi'd try bdr up front. im sure its been tried before when mitro was out.
Why not, what other options do we have? What position did he play when he was regularly scoring with Bristol City, well I thought he was but anyway but having checked...26 goals in 135 games ... at Fulham 21 goals in 134 games, maybe not! Bring back Stansfield, best option in my opinion!
Quote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:11:30 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
If he wasn't good enough to play for an average Championship side which had him on loan, how can he possibly be good enough for an average Premier League team?
Didn't Eddie Nketia get recalled from Leeds when they were in the championship? He wasn't playing at all. Got recalled and was making appearances for Arsenal in the prem the same season.
Quote from: JEEVES on October 26, 2023, 07:25:11 PMQuote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:11:30 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
If he wasn't good enough to play for an average Championship side which had him on loan, how can he possibly be good enough for an average Premier League team?
Didn't Eddie Nketia get recalled from Leeds when they were in the championship? He wasn't playing at all. Got recalled and was making appearances for Arsenal in the prem the same season.
Yes he was but not sure how you can compare him with Muniz? Far more quality and Chelsea had him on his books when he was 9.
Quote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:30:41 PMQuote from: JEEVES on October 26, 2023, 07:25:11 PMQuote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:11:30 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
If he wasn't good enough to play for an average Championship side which had him on loan, how can he possibly be good enough for an average Premier League team?
Didn't Eddie Nketia get recalled from Leeds when they were in the championship? He wasn't playing at all. Got recalled and was making appearances for Arsenal in the prem the same season.
Yes he was but not sure how you can compare him with Muniz? Far more quality and Chelsea had him on his books when he was 9.
Chelsea had him on their books when he was 9? What's that got to do with anything? So was Martell Taylor-Crossdale and he now plays for Haverfordwest county.
I'm not comparing him to nketia, I'm comparing the situation. Saying it IS possible to not be picked in the championship on loan and still become a premier league quality player.
Sometimes certain managers don't fancy certain players. Look at Parker with Mitro, he preferred Cavaleiro up top instead.
Not sure why people value Michael Carricks opinion so much lol
Wondering whether moving Raul into the so-called no.10 role where Pereira plays might be worth a try. He's obviously lost his confidence in front of goal and playing him there, while Pereira seems off-form, behind Vinicius, Muniz or BDR may take the pressure off him and increase his confidence longer-term in front of goal as well as give us a fresh approach in the attacking midfield/second striker role.
Who knows...but overall we seem to be looking stale and predictable in the last third. Maybe freshening things up would help, although I appreciate the earlier comments that Silva sees them all in training so would be thinking of all options everyday.
Quote from: roberto w6 on October 26, 2023, 08:35:19 PMWondering whether moving Raul into the so-called no.10 role where Pereira plays might be worth a try. He's obviously lost his confidence in front of goal and playing him there, while Pereira seems off-form, behind Vinicius, Muniz or BDR may take the pressure off him and increase his confidence longer-term in front of goal as well as give us a fresh approach in the attacking midfield/second striker role.
Who knows...but overall we seem to be looking stale and predictable in the last third. Maybe freshening things up would help, although I appreciate the earlier comments that Silva sees them all in training so would be thinking of all options everyday.
I think that is certainly worthy of consideration. But whether Marco would entertain the idea? I doubt it.
Quote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:11:30 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
If he wasn't good enough to play for an average Championship side which had him on loan, how can he possibly be good enough for an average Premier League team?
Because he's looked good every time he's played this season ..
Quote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:30:41 PMQuote from: JEEVES on October 26, 2023, 07:25:11 PMQuote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:11:30 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
If he wasn't good enough to play for an average Championship side which had him on loan, how can he possibly be good enough for an average Premier League team?
Didn't Eddie Nketia get recalled from Leeds when they were in the championship? He wasn't playing at all. Got recalled and was making appearances for Arsenal in the prem the same season.
Yes he was but not sure how you can compare him with Muniz? Far more quality and Chelsea had him on his books when he was 9.
Quote from: JEEVES on October 26, 2023, 08:01:30 PMQuote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:30:41 PMQuote from: JEEVES on October 26, 2023, 07:25:11 PMQuote from: davew on October 26, 2023, 07:11:30 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 12:43:48 PMMuniz is easily the worst of the three striker options we have so I can't see any benefit in starting him.
If he wasn't good enough to play for an average Championship side which had him on loan, how can he possibly be good enough for an average Premier League team?
Didn't Eddie Nketia get recalled from Leeds when they were in the championship? He wasn't playing at all. Got recalled and was making appearances for Arsenal in the prem the same season.
Yes he was but not sure how you can compare him with Muniz? Far more quality and Chelsea had him on his books when he was 9.
Chelsea had him on their books when he was 9? What's that got to do with anything? So was Martell Taylor-Crossdale and he now plays for Haverfordwest county.
I'm not comparing him to nketia, I'm comparing the situation. Saying it IS possible to not be picked in the championship on loan and still become a premier league quality player.
Sometimes certain managers don't fancy certain players. Look at Parker with Mitro, he preferred Cavaleiro up top instead.
Not sure why people value Michael Carricks opinion so much lol
Hahah, quality post so true.
Marco saw something in him but it hasn't materialized. I'm afraid his ship has sailed.
Quote from: Fightin' Blue Hens on October 27, 2023, 07:00:50 PMMarco saw something in him but it hasn't materialized. I'm afraid his ship has sailed.
How has it sailed????????
Quote from: roberto w6 on October 26, 2023, 08:35:19 PMWondering whether moving Raul into the so-called no.10 role where Pereira plays might be worth a try. He's obviously lost his confidence in front of goal and playing him there, while Pereira seems off-form, behind Vinicius, Muniz or BDR may take the pressure off him and increase his confidence longer-term in front of goal as well as give us a fresh approach in the attacking midfield/second striker role.
Who knows...but overall we seem to be looking stale and predictable in the last third. Maybe freshening things up would help, although I appreciate the earlier comments that Silva sees them all in training so would be thinking of all options everyday.
It's probably a better idea to move Raul out of the squad entirely, he's costing us points.
Muniz has come close to scoring on a couple of occasions and lets not forget is the youngest with potentially the highest ceiling. I would like to see him start vs Ipswich and see how lively he looks. One fo these 3 will need to leave should we end up splashing the cash and buying Orban (or similar) so they should be playing for their Prem careers. Persoanlly, I think if he doesnt start then Vini is gone and we will go with new striker, Jimenez and Muniz into the second half of the season.
Start Muniz v Ipswich - see how he does against top Championship defenders, no loss. If he does well, in with a shout over the other two.
