Chris Kavanagh! You can't make this up. I hoped I'd never see that clown anywhere near our games.
We've been waiting for this day, will never forgive never forget!
After Klopp roughed him up where else would they send him............
Wont be visible unfortunaetly.
Cant wait until he turns up at Craven Cottage one day.
Fraud from Manchester
Is the VAR ref actually at the stadium or do they do it from PGMOL headquarters?
I also don't really like that refs alternate between being on the pitch and doing VAR. There should be permanent VAR officials and they should be permanently assigned to the referees so they can develop a proper working relationship.
If decisions like the Maguire one go to var, we're down to 10 men!
Brighton are very favoured and media darlings on Talksport.
Tell me do the VAR people have to invite the ref to look at their screen to make the final decision or do they have the power to overrule the ref.
Quote from: filham on February 27, 2024, 04:26:17 PMTell me do the VAR people have to invite the ref to look at their screen to make the final decision or do they have the power to overrule the ref.
My understanding is that the VAR officials invite the ref to look at the screen, but the final decision is always with the ref.
However I suspect more often than not, the ref then changes his mind to go along with what VAR have recommended. After all, VAR shouldn't even be getting involved unless it's a "clear and obvious" error.
Quote from: filham on February 27, 2024, 04:26:17 PMTell me do the VAR people have to invite the ref to look at their screen to make the final decision or do they have the power to overrule the ref.
VAR only has the power to overrule directly for offsides. Anything else requires the referee to go to the monitor.
As far as I'm aware, the VAR has no actual power. The on field referee is the one who makes final decisions. They can change their initial decision after consulting with VAR even without looking at the screen or stick with their decision without looking at the screen (although I believe PGMOL advised against this two situations).
He will hear the crowd no doubt if he's watching the game. Lets make our feelings known we haven't forgiven him.
::scarf::
I may be alone here, but sorry....but are we honestly saying that Willian & Mitrovic didn't deserve to get sent off?
Because, Willian, as much as I hate the rule, had to be sent off according to the law. And Mitrovic - well if a player on an opposing team had acted in the manner he did to the ref, I'd have wanted them sent off. No player should be allowed to square up to an official in that way.
The resulting pile-on and lengthy ban, however, was another story and that was a joke.
Quote from: Jamie88 on February 28, 2024, 05:18:01 AMI may be alone here, but sorry....but are we honestly saying that Willian & Mitrovic didn't deserve to get sent off?
Because, Willian, as much as I hate the rule, had to be sent off according to the law. And Mitrovic - well if a player on an opposing team had acted in the manner he did to the ref, I'd have wanted them sent off. No player should be allowed to square up to an official in that way.
The resulting pile-on and lengthy ban, however, was another story and that was a joke.
Nobody had a problem with that decision from what I recall. Although I still think, like I did at the time as well, that Mitro incident was blown out of proportion. What happened after he was shown a red deserved a red, but before that, that "push" wasn't a push, but rather, for a lack of a better word, a "touch".
The problem with Kavanagh performance was everything he did prior to that. He missed 2-3 penalty calls, including one that was crystal clear where one Manchester United player (I think it was Maguire), pushed Mitro with both hands with pretty much full force after Mitro jumped to head the ball after a corner. I also seem to remember some dangerous tackles that went unpunished as well. He had one of the worst, if not the worst, referee performances that day.
That was what caused Mitro and Marco to lose their cool, although obviously they shouldn't have.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 28, 2024, 06:17:02 AMQuote from: Jamie88 on February 28, 2024, 05:18:01 AMI may be alone here, but sorry....but are we honestly saying that Willian & Mitrovic didn't deserve to get sent off?
Because, Willian, as much as I hate the rule, had to be sent off according to the law. And Mitrovic - well if a player on an opposing team had acted in the manner he did to the ref, I'd have wanted them sent off. No player should be allowed to square up to an official in that way.
The resulting pile-on and lengthy ban, however, was another story and that was a joke.
Nobody had a problem with that decision from what I recall. Although I still think, like I did at the time as well, that Mitro incident was blown out of proportion. What happened after he was shown a red deserved a red, but before that, that "push" wasn't a push, but rather, for a lack of a better word, a "touch".
The problem with Kavanagh performance was everything he did prior to that. He missed 2-3 penalty calls, including one that was crystal clear where one Manchester United player (I think it was Maguire), pushed Mitro with both hands with pretty much full force after Mitro jumped to head the ball after a corner. I also seem to remember some dangerous tackles that went unpunished as well. He had one of the worst, if not the worst, referee performances that day.
That was what caused Mitro and Marco to lose their cool, although obviously they shouldn't have.
The petulant Anthony .Kicked out at Robinson Twice in frustration.
Because Robinson had him in his pocket.
Remember Lee Dixon on commentary .Anthony should be booked.
Another frustration for me .
After Mitro and Silva incidents.
Authorities all saying thats it .Bans for harassing the ref.
No more abuse by managers .
What changed nothing .Next few weeks several incidents.
People laying hands on refs and linesman.Managers kicking off
And what about Fernandes moving the linesman out the way with his hands .
That happened a couple of weeks before.Nothing done.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on February 27, 2024, 04:15:08 PMBrighton are very favoured and media darlings on Talksport.
Brighton,Villa West Ham ,Brentford .
Jim White's favourites.
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 28, 2024, 06:17:02 AMQuote from: Jamie88 on February 28, 2024, 05:18:01 AMI may be alone here, but sorry....but are we honestly saying that Willian & Mitrovic didn't deserve to get sent off?
Because, Willian, as much as I hate the rule, had to be sent off according to the law. And Mitrovic - well if a player on an opposing team had acted in the manner he did to the ref, I'd have wanted them sent off. No player should be allowed to square up to an official in that way.
The resulting pile-on and lengthy ban, however, was another story and that was a joke.
Nobody had a problem with that decision from what I recall. Although I still think, like I did at the time as well, that Mitro incident was blown out of proportion. What happened after he was shown a red deserved a red, but before that, that "push" wasn't a push, but rather, for a lack of a better word, a "touch".
The problem with Kavanagh performance was everything he did prior to that. He missed 2-3 penalty calls, including one that was crystal clear where one Manchester United player (I think it was Maguire), pushed Mitro with both hands with pretty much full force after Mitro jumped to head the ball after a corner. I also seem to remember some dangerous tackles that went unpunished as well. He had one of the worst, if not the worst, referee performances that day.
That was what caused Mitro and Marco to lose their cool, although obviously they shouldn't have.
Agree with this, also on another note re var, if var was not in existence at the game, Willian would not have been sent off. The Ref was biased already towards Man U and missing Willians handball would have balanced out the bias.
Imo var is a back up for the big teams bias.
Quote from: ffcne on February 28, 2024, 08:44:34 AMQuote from: Nick Bateman on February 27, 2024, 04:15:08 PMBrighton are very favoured and media darlings on Talksport.
Brighton,Villa West Ham ,Brentford .
Jim White's favourites.
Jim White is an end of a bell.
Quote from: filham on February 27, 2024, 04:26:17 PMTell me do the VAR people have to invite the ref to look at their screen to make the final decision or do they have the power to overrule the ref.
The ref has finally say. Well he did when var told him we should have rightly had a penalty against Livarpool and for the first time ever, I believe, the ref stuck with his decision of no penalty!
Lets fully concentrate on getting the ball in the Brighton net three times and if that is achieved then there will be no mention of the ref. on this board.
Quote from: Jamie88 on February 28, 2024, 05:18:01 AMI may be alone here, but sorry....but are we honestly saying that Willian & Mitrovic didn't deserve to get sent off?
Because, Willian, as much as I hate the rule, had to be sent off according to the law. And Mitrovic - well if a player on an opposing team had acted in the manner he did to the ref, I'd have wanted them sent off. No player should be allowed to square up to an official in that way.
The resulting pile-on and lengthy ban, however, was another story and that was a joke.
It was not the Mitro William sending offs it was the abysmal way he refereed the game. Blaring errors, missing everything Man U did but picking up on everything we did. A classic example was the way Shaw pulled Mitro in the first few minutes, Blatant penalty. if it was the other way round would have been a free kick all day long. Numerous other incidents I can mention, but don't want to relive the memories.
Quote from: Super Mick on February 28, 2024, 12:03:15 PMQuote from: filham on February 27, 2024, 04:26:17 PMTell me do the VAR people have to invite the ref to look at their screen to make the final decision or do they have the power to overrule the ref.
The ref has finally say. Well he did when var told him we should have rightly had a penalty against Livarpool and for the first time ever, I believe, the ref stuck with his decision of no penalty!
Interesting thing about this subject is VAR said to upgrade Jimenez's yellow against Newcastle to a red. When Martinelli (Arsenal) did exactly the same thing the next day v Brighton not even a card, no VAR intervention then.
Quote from: Bill2 on February 28, 2024, 04:10:12 PMQuote from: Super Mick on February 28, 2024, 12:03:15 PMQuote from: filham on February 27, 2024, 04:26:17 PMTell me do the VAR people have to invite the ref to look at their screen to make the final decision or do they have the power to overrule the ref.
The ref has finally say. Well he did when var told him we should have rightly had a penalty against Livarpool and for the first time ever, I believe, the ref stuck with his decision of no penalty!
Interesting thing about this subject is VAR said to upgrade Jimenez's yellow against Newcastle to a red. When Martinelli (Arsenal) did exactly the same thing the next day v Brighton not even a card, no VAR intervention then.
Robertson did the same against Brentford and nothing given! https://www.skysports.com/football/video/33727/13075594/ref-watch-andy-robertson-lucky-to-escape-giving-away-penalty-against-brentford
Quote from: filham on February 28, 2024, 12:19:07 PMLets fully concentrate on getting the ball in the Brighton net three times and if that is achieved then there will be no mention of the ref. on this board.
Unless they are all ruled out by VAR!! ::cry::
Quote from: davew on February 28, 2024, 04:56:20 PMQuote from: filham on February 28, 2024, 12:19:07 PMLets fully concentrate on getting the ball in the Brighton net three times and if that is achieved then there will be no mention of the ref. on this board.
Unless they are all ruled out by VAR!! ::cry::
. Kavannagh VAR lines for offside goal calls in Brightons favour / \
Did anyone watch Forest-United game? I didn't and I see a lot of Forest fans are complaining about a potential offside goal Kavanagh allowed. Was it a fair decision or did Kavanagh make yet another mistake?
Quote from: SerbianLad on February 28, 2024, 10:02:44 PMDid anyone watch Forest-United game? I didn't and I see a lot of Forest fans are complaining about a potential offside goal Kavanagh allowed. Was it a fair decision or did Kavanagh make yet another mistake?
Was definitely a goal. It was another of those offside interference goals like in Chelsea-Liverpool but the defender being interfered with was two defenders behind Casemiro on a near post header so it had zero impact on the play.
Worse than that was after that a Forest player had his hand around Bruno's neck and VAR cleared it. Should have been an easy red.
Quote from: btffc on February 28, 2024, 10:14:49 PMQuote from: SerbianLad on February 28, 2024, 10:02:44 PMDid anyone watch Forest-United game? I didn't and I see a lot of Forest fans are complaining about a potential offside goal Kavanagh allowed. Was it a fair decision or did Kavanagh make yet another mistake?
Was definitely a goal. It was another of those offside interference goals like in Chelsea-Liverpool but the defender being interfered with was two defenders behind Casemiro on a near post header so it had zero impact on the play.
Worse than that was after that a Forest player had his hand around Bruno's neck and VAR cleared it. Should have been an easy red.
Thanks for clearing that up.
As for the second incident you mention, maybe Kavanagh is just completely incompetent. Or maybe he's affraid to make a big decision against the home team (like against us at Old Trafford or now against Forest).
Piss poor referee either way and he has no bussines refereeing games at the highest level.
