How/why was he allowed to run down his contract? I am always surprised when this happens to players in good form and current demand. Is he just digging in his heels and looking for more money elsewhere? Were Fulham management asleep at the wheel?
Why do you think we "allowed" him to run down his contract. It is well documented that he was offered a new, improved contract (even he has said as much) but he decided he wanted to move on. That is his right and he cannot be forced to sign a new contract. As to his reasoning; well you would have to ask him. More money, playing for a top six team, a chance to be selected for international duty, the lure of fame, a chance to relocate to a preferred geography, an opportunity to play for a team/manager he rates highly etc. There are many reasons why he might choose to move but very, very unlikely that Fulham management were "asleep at the wheel".
On tosin I have to give the club there due,as they have been trying even silva recently said he has been trying since he arrived for 2 years.
Now apparently we have made another large offer which is with his agent.
I am tired of people coming on here and suggesting that we are 'losing' Tosin.
It has been well reported that he appears to be determined to leave and although frustrating as has been said above it is his choice. In early interviews he gave the impression that he was ambitious and it is his right to choose who he plays for if they are prepared to give him a contract.
While it is right that players should be given the opportunity to change clubs when their contract expire something is not right when their club gets no compensation.
Yes , it sounds as if Fulham have done everything possible to try to keep Tosin but he thinks he is destined for the big time.
You can't make a player sign a contract if he doesn't want to for whatever reason
As much as i love Tosin and would love to keep him, I don't want players that don't want to be at the club either.
Tosin has not spoken about the situation so it's unclear if he wants to stay or go
It was rumoured he was off to Monaco, and wouldn't sign a new contract..... he'll do what's right for him - he's playing regular prem football.... similar to Robinson, everyone thought he was leaving & he signed a new contract
You say "How/why was he allowed to run down his contract" and "I am always surprised when this happens to players"
I'm also surprised when people make these comments because we know the club has made several offers and so far he's not signed.
Time has allowed him to run his contract down nothing else.
If you have inside knowledge of this and questioning the amount offered or the deal in general then fine but unless you know what's on the table how can the club be accused of allowing him to run his contract down?
Maybe it's his way of getting the best deal, maybe he fancies a change to a bigger team, we don't know but we do know MS and the club wants him to re sign.
We got him cheap cheap so if he stays then great, but if he goes then we did well to get in at that price. His choice to go not the clubs at the end of the day.
Tosin is gambling on his footballing future if he goes to a Liverpool or Spurs. He will likely be 3rd or 4th choice at these clubs. They only want him because he's cheap and they can turn a profit in a year or so. Fulham players have a history of disasters when transferring to Spurs and Fabio's move to Liverpool has been a great mistake. I hope he thinks it through and makes the right decision for his career.
Quote from: jarv on March 20, 2024, 08:54:10 AMHow/why was he allowed to run down his contract? I am always surprised when this happens to players in good form and current demand. Is he just digging in his heels and looking for more money elsewhere? Were Fulham management asleep at the wheel?
You need to look no further than the agent !!
He's gambling that he will not get a career ending injury before he signs for a new club or that he does not have a hitherto undetected problem that would mean that he fails a medical.
Some you win and some you lose.
This is an FFC supporters forum - why do we so often blame our club?
What he is gambling on is that he avoids a career threatening injury between now and signing on the dotted line of his next contract. Simply that. Those are thankfully very rare but they do happen.
Assuming he signs with someone, he's set for life financially speaking. So where does he want to live, who does he want to play for and with, how much pitch time all come into play. Trophies and international competition and recognition too.
The club hasn't missed a trick. It's done a very good job of improving him.
If he does sign a contract with us, my guess would be that the ability to play with Calvin Bassey that will hold some sway. CBs work as a pair and those two are highly effective together. Put him with a different CB and he might look to have regressed. He knows that.
Bassey's a better CB than he is, no shame there. Deep down he probably knows that too. If he goes we take on two new CBs and find out which works better with Bassey.
I read a credible rumour that we'd actually only made one contract offer so far:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/fulham-transfer-news-tosin-adarabioyo-exclusive-b1131897.html#:~:text=Standard%20Sport%20understands%20Fulham%20have,with%20improved%20personal%20terms%20imminently.
I don't see how anyone can criticise the club when we don't know the facts but that cuts both ways - you also can't criticise the player or say there's nothing more the club could do, without knowing the facts.
I will keep my powder dry until the summer. If he goes to Milan, Monaco or Spurs I'll be inclined to assume we just couldn't match the pull of Champions' League football, but if he ends up somewhere like Brighton that'll reflect very poorly on the club...
Adarabioyo needs to sign paper. I don't know what his problem is with FFC. He's well liked here, has been first choice for some time now, and is forming a great tandem along with Bassey. Playing in a top league, on a team that looks mid table, on a team who has beaten the likes of ManU, Arsenal and Spurs, and is pressing for European play. What's not to like. I suspect he has a very high opinion of himself (as related by Tim Ream) and if he chooses incorrectly, he might not even find himself first choice wherever he lands. From what I've heard/read, FFC is tendering a new and very much improved contract, they like him and want to see him stay at CC. Just sign already!!
Perhaps it would be a good idea to imagine things from Tosin's perspective. I stress imagine - I have no idea what his thoughts are but he's 26 years old, from Manchester, has done very very well in progressing his football career via Manchester, West Bromwich, Blackburn and London. Is it unreasonable that he might want, for example, to move overseas - France, Italy, Germany or beyond Europe - and continue playing football in a different environment? Whatever he decides, good luck to him.
I don't know why but I've a strong sense that he's going to sign a new contract with us this international break. He's not called up to any international team so I think Marco and co are going to try and convince him to stay.
Saw a similar incident when Carvalho was tempted by the lure of Liverpool. He has barely been picked and now resides in Championship Hull. I firmly believe he has regrets about that career choice and Tosin will too.
When Fulham were struggling playing lethargic football at the start of the season, he saw this was not where to be and was interested in Tottenham's approaches, so he failed to renew his contract. Now he must surely see, being in THIS club as a first choice centre back with Fulham beating the types of teams he may have wished to play for, rather than go to one of these "glamour" clubs and soon be in the reserves or irregularly featuring.
One hopes Tosin sees the sense it makes to stay here. If not, it was nice knowing you but don't let the door hit you on the backside.
FWIW a scout I know has stated unambiguously that Fabio Carvalho's brother, who is his agent, is an absolute (expletive deleted) idiot who has messed up Fabio big time.
He was also out of favor with Marco for a considerable amount of time if I remember right
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 20, 2024, 06:03:24 PMSaw a similar incident when Carvalho was tempted by the lure of Liverpool. He has barely been picked and now resides in Championship Hull. I firmly believe he has regrets about that career choice and Tosin will too.
When Fulham were struggling playing lethargic football at the start of the season, he saw this was not where to be and was interested in Tottenham's approaches, so he failed to renew his contract. Now he must surely see, being in THIS club as a first choice centre back with Fulham beating the types of teams he may have wished to play for, rather than go to one of these "glamour" clubs and soon be in the reserves or irregularly featuring.
One hopes Tosin sees the sense it makes to stay here. If not, it was nice knowing you but don't let the door hit you on the backside.
Yeah true but Fab's not built for the premier league whereas Tosin definitely is
Wherever he goes he will do well
Quote from: WindyCity on March 20, 2024, 02:55:02 PMAdarabioyo needs to sign paper. I don't know what his problem is with FFC. He's well liked here, has been first choice for some time now, and is forming a great tandem along with Bassey. Playing in a top league, on a team that looks mid table, on a team who has beaten the likes of ManU, Arsenal and Spurs, and is pressing for European play. What's not to like. I suspect he has a very high opinion of himself (as related by Tim Ream) and if he chooses incorrectly, he might not even find himself first choice wherever he lands. From what I've heard/read, FFC is tendering a new and very much improved contract, they like him and want to see him stay at CC. Just sign already!!
"Pressing for Europe" we are like a 10/1 to finish in a place that isn't even guaranteed a spot in Europe yet, and it would be conference.... what are you talking about? People are connecting Tosin to Champions League sides...
I think he is just seeing how things pan out and he has every right to do so. This is a big decision for him at 26 as at 26 it may be his last big move with a 4 year contract. By all accounts we are currently making an offer to make him one of the highest earners at the club. If true and he does stay it has paid off waiting then.
Not sure why many think he is desperate to go. Sure when it was assumed he was going recently he or his agent said that is not the case and that all options including starting at Fulham are on the table didn't they? He could have signed a pre contract with a foreign club since Jan and hasn't yet (unless done in secret) so got to at least be a positive sign.
He has said in interviews he believes he can play at a high level and for England. He may be waiting to see how we finish the season and also what guarantees there are for summer recruitment as we could be that high level! The way we are playing is a massive positive for keeping him so we need to keep it going. If we finish strong, keep this team together and spend £80 million on top with Marco staying he will probably feel like most of us do we can really challenge top 7. This will put him right up there playing week in and week out for England call ups. Look at Dunk for example if we can get to Brighton levels. If he sees all of this with the bumper contract on top I still think he could sign.
For me if he doesn't he's a bit mad. I have always thought he was quality and defended him when many were saying he wasn't that good as recently as last year. If he thinks he's going to start for a champions league club every weak however I think he's pushing it. He is a guaranteed starter with Bassey playing as well as they have and if he believes we can push top 7 that is his ticket to the England team so I wouldn't be surprised if he is certainly at least considering staying.
If I had to guess that would mean the offer is around 100k/week with a decent loyalty bonus which is likely as high as we are willing to go. If he doesn't take that then there is not much more we can do. I don't think he is so good that he is worth breaking our wage structure over.
Really hope he signs that.
If he's really willing to test himself at a higher level I think he's probably willing to accept a lower offer than what we're putting on the table as I can't see him getting £100k per week at a top 6 club.
I think he's a good player but I'm sure he knows he's a more appealing proposition to top sides as a free agent, but as with most free agents they're more likely to be cost effective board signings rather than a handpicked managerial target. So game time might be a struggle especially with managerial changes at potentially 3 of the top 6 this summer. Right now he looks like he could be a good pick up for Man Utd on a free with all their CB problems, better option than Evans for sure, but if a new manager comes in and Tosin is signed on a free will they even want him.
He's been performing consistently this season but if he did have a 2/3 year contract would you be worried a top club would be coming in with a big bid? Because I can't say I would be. Let's not forget his original contract also had a release clause which was never activated, low fee of around £10mil I believe. So clearly he's always fancied an easy out for a step up ever since he joined the club back in 2020, but it looks like the interest is never there.
Several big clubs rumoured to be interested in Tosin, he must be saying to himself "I could regret not taking this opportunity, what have I to lose".
I was thinking about this earlier this week, when you think about the value of the player, if you were to put a monetary figure on it, you would be talking at least £30million if he was under contract. Harry Maguire at a similar age to Tosin went from Leicester to Man United for £50million plus add ons, granted by that point Maguire was capped by England and in regular good form without too many known mistakes that he has shown in the recent past. Tosin and Maguire are of similar build both height wise and strength. Currently Tosin is on a reported £40,577 a week approx £2.1million a year Harry Maguire is on a reported £190,000 a year approx £9.8million a year.
I am not in the know regarding contract negotiations however Maguire is nowhere near a £7.8 million a year better player. It would be great to know what we have put down on the table but if we looked at the "replacement value" to get a similar player of Tosin £20 million would be a steal in today's market. If that was offered as a wage over 3 seasons you would be offering him circa £128k a week over 3 years. We would get a Tosin value player for in effect a free transfer or free wages however if you look at it.
He probably wants to move back up north (to Liverpool or Utd). Other than a year at West Brom (and us) he has always lived in the north. I imagine he has his people mostly up there
Quote from: SuffolkWhite on March 20, 2024, 11:54:38 AMWe got him cheap cheap so if he stays then great, but if he goes then we did well to get in at that price. His choice to go not the clubs at the end of the day.
This is my take. It was worth playing him even if he doesn't stay because he's been such a great partner to Bassey and by preventing goals being conceded we may finish higher in the league table and get a bigger fee for doing so.
Quote from: filham on March 21, 2024, 10:33:04 AMSeveral big clubs rumoured to be interested in Tosin, he must be saying to himself "I could regret not taking this opportunity, what have I to lose".
Same as with Carvalho, the difference is Tosin is more established as a Premier League player.
