Marco Silva is on the touchline like a prowling lion, pacing up and down and outside his technical area and from this ground level angle makes judgements of what changes to make. His new "tactic" is to make wholesale changes of 3 subs all in one go.
Whilst it was the right thing to do in the Sheffield game when he picked a dreadful team, he devastated the right team in the game against Newcastle.
I believe he does not review the match afterwards as he is constantly making the same mistakes and underrating our best players, as in Tom Cairney in particular.
Every TV commentary I've heard when Cairney is on the pitch they praise him for how he makes Fulham control the game and flow better. They even have said they do not know why he doesn't get more game time. Yet somehow Silva does not give credit to the intelligent link play TC makes. He also seems to have a telepathic understanding with Willian, who again Fulham look worse without.
Andreas Pereiera is selected for every match yet contrubutes very little. He gives the ball away a lot, shoots from ridiculous distances, he may take the odd decent corner but often does not, or takes a short one which is a complete waste of time and annoys our excellent aerial threat with the big centre backs waiting in vain in the box. Yet Silva plays AP ahead of Cairney and our club captain is more on the bench than on the pitch.
This is one of the reasons for our slump in form. Silva making knee-jerk decisions, showing overreactive impatience and making bad choices.
He has to review the matches and spot which players are producing very little, and which ones are our best. He should also stop taking off Jaoa Palhinha as he is a star and capable of scoring late on.
Wind up
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2024, 05:21:57 PMMarco Silva is on the touchline like a prowling lion, pacing up and down and outside his technical area and from this ground level angle makes judgements of what changes to make. His new "tactic" is to make wholesale changes of 3 subs all in one go.
Whilst it was the right thing to do in the Sheffield game when he picked a dreadful team, he devastated the right team in the game against Newcastle.
I believe he does not review the match afterwards as he is constantly making the same mistakes and underrating our best players, as in Tom Cairney in particular.
Every TV commentary I've heard when Cairney is on the pitch they praise him for how he makes Fulham control the game and flow better. They even have said they do not know why he doesn't get more game time. Yet somehow Silva does not give credit to the intelligent link play TC makes. He also seems to have a telepathic understanding with Willian, who again Fulham look worse without.
Andreas Pereiera is selected for every match yet contrubutes very little. He gives the ball away a lot, shoots from ridiculous distances, he may take the odd decent corner but often does not, or takes a short one which is a complete waste of time and annoys our excellent aerial threat with the big centre backs waiting in vain in the box. Yet Silva plays AP ahead of Cairney and our club captain is more on the bench than on the pitch.
This is one of the reasons for our slump in form. Silva making knee-jerk decisions, showing overreactive impatience and making bad choices.
He has to review the matches and spot which players are producing very little, and which ones are our best. He should also stop taking off Jaoa Palhinha as he is a star and capable of scoring late on.
I couldn't be bothered if the man was blind. Marco is an amazing manager and we are lucky to have him.
"I couldn't be bothered if the man was blind. Marco is an amazing manager and we are lucky to have him."
Copy that
Nick,
I feel a complement is in order!
You are the most innovative troll that we have here at FOF.
Sincerely,
Jim
I wrote something similar in the post match thread. I actually think subbing Andreas off probably made least sense of those three substitutions and Cairney's sub made most sense.
Cairney was visibly tired in the second half. He was still good when we had the ball, but once we lost it he was very slow to get back. There were multiple counter attacks where he got nowhere near close enough to help the defence. Even if he stayed on for additional 10-15 minutes, he had to go off at some point. Whether it was bringing Lukic or Reed on, or moving Andreas to the 8, something had to be done, in my opinion.
Willian was by far the best player on the pitch in my opinion. I'm sure he could have played more than 65 minutes as he didn't look as tired as Cairney, but similarly he probably wouldn't have been able to play full 90+ minutes.
Andreas was vital in both our press and our ball retention. His set-pieces were superb as well. I think he needed to stay on.
I wouldn't have brought in Wilson, as he isn't that great on the leftwing, and between him and Adama, Adama had a much better game against Forest so I would have given him the nod.
So I would have gone with Iwobi and Cairney off for Adama and Lukic/Reed.
Marco not perfect but after what's gone before he's brilliant.
Quote from: SerbianLad on April 08, 2024, 05:42:03 PMI wrote something similar in the post match thread. I actually think subbing Andreas off probably made least sense of those three substitutions and Cairney's sub made most sense.
Cairney was visibly tired in the second half. He was still good when we had the ball, but once we lost it he was very slow to get back. There were multiple counter attacks where he got nowhere near close enough to help the defence. Even if he stayed on for additional 10-15 minutes, he had to go off at some point. Whether it was bringing Lukic or Reed on, or moving Andreas to the 8, something had to be done, in my opinion.
Willian was by far the best player on the pitch in my opinion. I'm sure he could have played more than 65 minutes as he didn't look as tired as Cairney, but similarly he probably wouldn't have been able to play full 90+ minutes.
Andreas was vital in both our press and our ball retention. His set-pieces were superb as well. I think he needed to stay on.
I wouldn't have brought in Wilson, as he isn't that great on the leftwing, and between him and Adama, Adama had a much better game against Forest so I would have given him the nod.
So I would have gone with Iwobi and Cairney off for Adama and Lukic/Reed.
I wonder how much the disaster at Forest played into the subs for Newcastle. I assume the original plan was for Willian and Cairney to only play 15-20 minutes against Forest but after going on after 30 minutes, giving them both the full 90 on short rest was likely ruled out. On top of that I think there was likely some man management at play and Marco wanted to give both Lukic and Wilson longer sub appearances than he usually does in order to make up for bringing them off in the first half and to give them an opportunity for redemption.
Quote from: btffc on April 08, 2024, 05:48:26 PMI wonder how much the disaster at Forest played into the subs for Newcastle. I assume the original plan was for Willian and Cairney to only play 15-20 minutes against Forest but after going on after 30 minutes, giving them both the full 90 on short rest was likely ruled out. On top of that I think there was likely some man management at play and Marco wanted to give both Lukic and Wilson longer sub appearances than he usually does in order to make up for bringing them off in the first half and to give them an opportunity for redemption.
It could be. Similarly, I think Iwobi staying on rather than Andreas could have been for similar reasons.
Also, on Wilson, could it be that he isn't in the right place mentally after the Wales disappointment? His last two appearances have been two of his worst in the Fulham shirt in my opinion. He did have one great corner vs Newcastle, but was otherwise dreadful. The less said about his Forest performance the better...
People who claim this a wind-up or trolling are doing a disservice and insult to my honest opinion. I really do believe Silva does not review the whole match afterwards. As if he did he would see how important Tom Cairney is. Other commentators see it and say it, yet he doesn't.
Also why assume TC cannot play 90 minutes? Every other footballer in the PL can play 90 and Cairney isn't that highly energetic in his style of calm thoughtful play so it should be easily capable.
I still rate Marco as a terrific manager (maybe our best ever) as Fulham play some of the best football in this division.
Quote from: YankeeJim on April 08, 2024, 05:40:30 PMNick,
I feel a complement is in order!
You are the most innovative troll that we have here at FOF.
Sincerely,
Jim
I would love to see a poll of FOFs biggest WUMs 😂
I agree with Nick to a certain extent that his love fest for Perreira is slightly nauseating, also his inability to see how important Cairney is to our team when he plays, especially after recently dropping him when he was in the form of his life, Lukic offered nothing when he came on the pitch against Geordies
Still wouldn't want anyone else at the helm tho as he's a top top manager, maybe he just needs to be dangled upside down for half hour or so
We're stronger with Cairney, Willian and Pereira in the team.
Haha, play TC instead of AP and watch teams waltz around our press.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2024, 06:08:22 PMPeople who claim this a wind-up or trolling are doing a disservice and insult to my honest opinion. I really do believe Silva does not review the whole match afterwards. As if he did he would see how important Tom Cairney is. Other commentators see it and say it, yet he doesn't.
Also why assume TC cannot play 90 minutes? Every other footballer in the PL can play 90 and Cairney isn't that highly energetic in his style of calm thoughtful play so it should be easily capable.
I still rate Marco as a terrific manager (maybe our best ever) as Fulham play some of the best football in this division.
Unfortunately Cairney didn't have his best game Saturday are was rightly subbed in my opinion. I would however have brought on Reed or Reid for their energy instead of Lukic.
Mr Silva should go back to the basics.... starting with getting his tea leaves read....he needs to buck his ideas up, and get in a shaman
That left sided attacking triangle of Cairney/Willian/Robinson is outstanding and should be used as long as all three players are fit. Silver doesn't seem to recognise that.
Personally I find the suggestion that Silva doesn't even bother to review a game afterwards to be impossible to take seriously.
He is a full time employee. And very successful in the best league in the world. Of course he and his team reviews the game. Is there no end to the level of absurdity to be published on here?
Quote from: peachcobbler on April 08, 2024, 08:12:10 PMHaha, play TC instead of AP and watch teams waltz around our press.
That's the crux IMO. If Marco wants to play that way, AP fills the role.
Quote from: filham on April 08, 2024, 09:43:39 PMThat left sided attacking triangle of Cairney/Willian/Robinson is outstanding and should be used as long as all three players are fit. Silver doesn't seem to recognise that.
Agree, however Saturday they never really clicked and were quite slow and ponderous especially first half.
It was a bit pedantic which was why Silva showed a lack of patience and took off some of his best players inc. TC. But we were in near total control, Muniz should have scored an easy chance, and then Silva pressed the panic button and opened the game up. Where was our defensive midfielder Lukic when Guimares scored from unmarked on the edge of the box??
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2024, 10:28:02 PMIt was a bit pedantic which was why Silva showed a lack of patience and took off some of his best players inc. TC. But we were in near total control, Muniz should have scored an easy chance, and then Silva pressed the panic button and opened the game up. Where was our defensive midfielder Lukic when Guimares scored from unmarked on the edge of the box??
Palhinha was the nearest Fulham player, could have done better.
To say he does not review the match afterwards is pure conjecture. We don't see all that goes on in training. We don't know the full medical condition of the players. Maybe Tom's knees will only last for so many minutes etc..
Cairney might not have had his best second half, but who did? They all looked tired, even the subs that came on.
Quote from: Jem on April 09, 2024, 08:16:20 AMTo say he does not review the match afterwards is pure conjecture. We don't see all that goes on in training. We don't know the full medical condition of the players. Maybe Tom's knees will only last for so many minutes etc..
My mate, Dean, who's cousin works at the Sainsbury's where one of the Motspur Park groundsmen sometimes goes, can confirm that it may or may not be true that Marco doesn't review the match.
I was far more disappointed that we did not seem to recognise that Castagne was constantly left trying to cope with Gordon and subsequently Barnes down their left with no real defensive support which gave the wingers the opportunity to either go down the outside or cut inside without running into other white shirts. Palhinha is the only truly defensively minded player in the starting side (ahead of the backline) and it was clear that our midfield did not seem to see the acres of space which allowed Gordon and Barnes far too much time and space in which to operate. The desire to get back and cover just did not seem to be there.
The intensity levels which our system demands do not seem to have been there in the last 3 matches and in each game the opposition has just seemed to want it more. Maybe the safe mid-ish table position has taken the edge off.
I thought we lost control of the midfield when Marco made the 3 changes. Seemed to upset the rhythm of the team and enabled Bruno to step up. Cairney does enable us to control the game well. This is certainly an area we need to to invest in this summer.
I wholeheartedly believe that Nick Bateman "knows almost f*** all about his footie"
There is nothing surprising in the least knowledgeable people here claiming they know something about the team that Silva doesn't.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2024, 10:28:02 PMIt was a bit pedantic which was why Silva showed a lack of patience and took off some of his best players inc. TC. But we were in near total control, Muniz should have scored an easy chance, and then Silva pressed the panic button and opened the game up. Where was our defensive midfielder Lukic when Guimares scored from unmarked on the edge of the box??
hahahaha if you needed any more confirmation that someone has never kicked a ball in their life.
Quote from: Jim© on April 09, 2024, 03:27:58 PMI wholeheartedly believe that Nick Bateman "knows almost f*** all about his footie"
Quote from: FreiBird on April 11, 2024, 02:07:14 AMhahahaha if you needed any more confirmation that someone has never kicked a ball in their life.
Who let children on this board?
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2024, 10:28:02 PMWhere was our defensive midfielder Lukic when Guimares scored from unmarked on the edge of the box??
"Defensive midfielder Lukic"??!?!? Do you watch Fulham much Nick? And you have the temerity to call me a child when my kids at least know what positions our players fill.
Quote from: _Putney_ on April 09, 2024, 08:33:52 AMQuote from: Jem on April 09, 2024, 08:16:20 AMTo say he does not review the match afterwards is pure conjecture. We don't see all that goes on in training. We don't know the full medical condition of the players. Maybe Tom's knees will only last for so many minutes etc..
My mate, Dean, who's cousin works at the Sainsbury's where one of the Motspur Park groundsmen sometimes goes, can confirm that it may or may not be true that Marco doesn't review the match.
Hilarious!!  :slap: :slap: :slap:
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 08, 2024, 05:21:57 PMMarco Silva is on the touchline like a prowling lion, pacing up and down and outside his technical area and from this ground level angle makes judgements of what changes to make. His new "tactic" is to make wholesale changes of 3 subs all in one go.
Whilst it was the right thing to do in the Sheffield game when he picked a dreadful team, he devastated the right team in the game against Newcastle.
I believe he does not review the match afterwards as he is constantly making the same mistakes and underrating our best players, as in Tom Cairney in particular.
Every TV commentary I've heard when Cairney is on the pitch they praise him for how he makes Fulham control the game and flow better. They even have said they do not know why he doesn't get more game time. Yet somehow Silva does not give credit to the intelligent link play TC makes. He also seems to have a telepathic understanding with Willian, who again Fulham look worse without.
Andreas Pereiera is selected for every match yet contrubutes very little. He gives the ball away a lot, shoots from ridiculous distances, he may take the odd decent corner but often does not, or takes a short one which is a complete waste of time and annoys our excellent aerial threat with the big centre backs waiting in vain in the box. Yet Silva plays AP ahead of Cairney and our club captain is more on the bench than on the pitch.
This is one of the reasons for our slump in form. Silva making knee-jerk decisions, showing overreactive impatience and making bad choices.
He has to review the matches and spot which players are producing very little, and which ones are our best. He should also stop taking off Jaoa Palhinha as he is a star and capable of scoring late on.
It's very small defensive margins that I see the is the differences,
I wish I could find it but I've searched the Internet and couldn't, tbh I was struggling with how to even search it, but anyway here goes (I hope someone else remembers this to back me up, please tell me if you do)
I remember in the prem jovanovic era (short I know) their was a segment of analysis that showed the very many times cairney was at fault for goals during the barrage we took and it was very interesting because it would literally be one small step taken either in the wrong direction or just literally 2 or 3 seconds too late, it was mostly when tracking back covering a player coming into the box, and he'd slow down a touch or just wait a moment before following the man giving them the edge and we got punished over and over again.
Now I am not saying cairney is the same man as before, and with our current system that's a much less likely scenario for cairney to find himself in, but I bring this up to show what I mean about the finer margins, the segment showed such a small minor movement that affected games so massively, how many of those finer moments further away from the goal happen? Many and most never get highlighted, I feel pereira gives us many of these moments, many more than most, and it's not the fault of his that the team didn't capitalise which would have shone a bigger light on these moments. Nd there's stats to show this, as pereira has contributed so many goal opportunities, I can't remember the stat exactly in the overall Premier league but he was very high, which was one of the reasons he got his call up to the Brazil squad.
