I think the way he has dealt with this season, that he may well be. It could easily have been a nightmare the way things were at the start, I definitely thought it would be a relegation battle season.
I really hope he is not going anywhere, he is truly the most important part of this team, and really hope and think he will push on and maybe win a cup or two and also get into Europe.
His manner and demeanour are very impressive, and he sets his teams out in a positive way, from what isn't the strongest squad.
I think he may well be the best manager Fulham have ever had.
Until he exceeds what Roy did taking us to a major European cup final then the answer is no
He is certainly one of the best. I just hope he stays next season.
He's up there with Roy, he's surpassed Tigana for me.
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on April 17, 2024, 04:43:22 PMI think the way he has dealt with this season, that he may well be. It could easily have been a nightmare the way things were at the start, I definitely thought it would be a relegation battle season.
I think this is the most important thing....the way this season started, the Metro departure, the possible departures of MS himself, Willian and Palhinha. And at the time, no identifiable striker. Then later on, a full month with no Iwobi/Bassey. Quite a bit of confusion and uncertainty. I can't comment on whether or not he is FFC's best ever, but I do think this has been a terrific season and accomplishment, all things considered, and big wins v ManU, Arsenal and Spurs. Would be a shame if he were to depart next season.
What about McGath? :slap: :slap: :slap: :slap: :slap:
I think he may well be the best we've had.
Roy will always be up there because of the Europa League final, the great escape, and the succession of years in the top flight, but his football philosophy is very different to Marco's. Instead of being pragmatic, solid and difficult to break down, Marco is achieving similar levels of success in the league playing attacking attractive football.
Marco also seems to have the ability to motivate and improve players. So many players have joined Fulham since he came and are playing better than they ever have at other clubs. Team morale seems to be sky high at the moment - I don't think I've ever seen a tighter knit, happier Fulham squad. The players seem to really enjoy playing for him.
If Marco stays with us for a few more seasons, I really think he can surpass what we achieved under Roy.
He probably is. My other favourite was Kevin Keegan. While Silva is tactically superior, Keegan was all-out-attack and he took us through the divisions once at the helm. We were scuppered by the FA who stole him from us and they still haven't repaid the favour with the treatment we get from the refs today!
We need to go up to the next level with Marco.
In current terms we need more consistency performance wise and with that some top ten finishes and European football, or at least increase the chances of it. On Curr form, incoming and outgoings player wise we're more likely to get to a final of a domestic cup.
The question then is whether we win that and whether we sustain our growth beyond that or don't make the most of it.
Then it'll be a question of whether a European final is equal, greater or less of an achievement than winning a domestic final..?
I'd argue the competition is harder in Europe, there's more travel and circumstantial differences, like differences in tactics, style of play etc and so an European final would, for me at least, be considered a greater feat.
With that in mind though, if we won a domestic title it would for me be an equal footing, as you'd undoubtedly need to be a top team to do so, just not as many and they'd be more familiar for us, both in terms of stadia and tactics.
I think the gauge of which would be greater is to ask if we'd win both, or got to the final of both, which would carry greater weight. Europe would win in both instances there.
So if we won a domestic title, Marco would go to an even keel for me with Roy.
That being said it'd be very close and I would consider Marco closer to surpassing Roy if he stayed and continued to build here, due to longevity, winning us the title in the championship and achieving the above, I also think Marco is an equal or better man manager but has the benefit of youth on his side.
If we keep Marco and back him properly, it doesn't feel as it any of the above is out of reach.
Quote from: WindyCity on April 17, 2024, 05:34:57 PMQuote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on April 17, 2024, 04:43:22 PMI think the way he has dealt with this season, that he may well be. It could easily have been a nightmare the way things were at the start, I definitely thought it would be a relegation battle season.
I think this is the most important thing....the way this season started, the Metro departure, the possible departures of MS himself, Willian and Palhinha. And at the time, no identifiable striker. Then later on, a full month with no Iwobi/Bassey. Quite a bit of confusion and uncertainty. I can't comment on whether or not he is FFC's best ever, but I do think this has been a terrific season and accomplishment, all things considered, and big wins v ManU, Arsenal and Spurs. Would be a shame if he were to depart next season.
The Iwobi/Bassey thing could be easily avoided if we didn't buy players who were always going to be away for a month mid-season. But they make up for it fully by being undroppable the rest of the season.
As to whether he's the best manager we've had, he's certainly the best attacking-minded manager we've had after giving us two semi-finals in two years. But still some ways to surpass Hodgson.
Romantically nobody will ever beat Roy
It then comes down to the time with Keegan, what Tiigana did, the rise and fall under Slav
For me he is better than the last three but he will have to walk across hot coals to beat Roy
I must be the odd one out here, as I didn't like Roy'S football.
Still ranks behind Roy for me for the reasons given above, but I think he's the first for 40 odd years to have the potential to do better if/when he leaves (unlike Roy)
its not just a question of results or how we play (which have been fantastic ) but his ability to get the best out of and develop players in multi positions and regardless of age which impresses me.Roy did a fantastic job for us so it hard to compare them but for me Marco is the more complete trainer.
Quote from: alfie on April 17, 2024, 08:34:20 PMI must be the odd one out here, as I didn't like Roy'S football.
I agree, under Roy I always felt 0-0 was on the cards.
However,it was a great time and introduced me to Fulham from Sankt Pauli.
Roy, numero uno.
Quote from: alfie on April 17, 2024, 08:34:20 PMI must be the odd one out here, as I didn't like Roy'S football.
I'm with you. The results were certainly good, but the football (especially in the PL) was far too dull for my liking. Fulham scored 95 goals in the 94 PL matches managed by Roy. We passed the 95 goal total under Marco a few weeks ago against Tottenham...in only his 67th PL match in charge.
Tigana, Roy, Slavisa and Marco all deserve great credit for what they have brought to the club.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on April 17, 2024, 10:12:23 PMTigana, Roy, Slavisa and Marco all deserve great credit for what they have brought to the club.
As well as Alec Stock
I think Roy is still first, but Marco does seem a very good fit for Fulham....with a fair wind we could have a decent cup run with him... problem is - we always have one eye looking over our shoulder at the magic 40 point's
Roy took us pragmatically and systematically to a Euro final, Alec Stock to our only domestic final (from div. 2) but the quality of football under Tigana could be breathtaking. Marco comes close but I need to give him a bit longer yet.
Certainly in my memory it is a straight shootout between Roy and Marco.
Tigana was staggeringly good, Keegan too but they also effectively had unlimited resources at the time which helped them both, massively.
I will always, always hold a place very close to my heart for Micky Adams though. None of this stuff happens without him and that season.
Roy is still top for me. Under Roy we had an unbelievably well drilled group of players that were incredibly consistent. I often hear that people think we didn't play an attractive style under Roy, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Roy's team was hard to break down and was fun to watch in attack. Roy's great escape season, taking us to a 7th place finish, and taking us to a European final are huge accomplishments.
That being said, Marco had been really impressive. But his accomplishments aren't at Roy's level yet. Marco's most impressive accomplishment is getting us promoted and keeping us up easily. He helped us cope with the loss of Mitrovic. What I really like about Marco is that he improves the players who join us. He has even improved the players he inherited. Additionally, we have made astute signings under his watch. I like that Marco is usually able to get a positive response during halftime and when he makes substitutions. When he has the chance to tweak our tactics, we usually start playing better. I think this demonstrates his quality as a tactician. Overall, we play some beautiful football, but we can be inconsistent and our defense gets torn apart at times. While I can't be sure how high Marco's ceiling is, I think we may see him managing in the champions league one day. I just hope it's with Fulham :)
Roy the boy was always a joy, Fulham was his toy, decoy was his ploy....
Bedford Jezzard got us promoted to the old division 1 with no money.
I am not sure how we compare Malcolm
McDonald with a £10,000 per year transfer budget to Marco Silva with a £40,000,000 per year transfer budget.
Quote from: spikey norman on April 17, 2024, 10:26:33 PMQuote from: Southcoastffc on April 17, 2024, 10:12:23 PMTigana, Roy, Slavisa and Marco all deserve great credit for what they have brought to the club.
As well as Alec Stock
Alec Stock a great manager and even greater Gentleman. Reportedly said 'I wish your mother had 27 years ago' after Peter Mellor said he should have closed his legs foe one of the goals in the 1975 Cup Final.
Feel playing style and his belief in his tactics then yes,also I know a dutch fan who said we were getting a donkey when bassey joined us and think he's been immense for us and improved by Marco and his team ,add to that Willian being bought back to form after 12 months of hell,muniz finally realizing his ability then definitely.
::scarf:: ::scarf:: We have had some fantastic seasons in these last 30 years... but that coach home after Carlisle away with Micky Adams and the boys will live forever in my heart... a large amount of journey men and over achiever's... and we went up .. changing the clubs fortunes forever...
Apart from the fact that Capt. Simon Morgan still owes me £75 ::angry:: Can't trust anyone...
Marco has made some memories too of course..
COYW ::wine::
Yes Micky Adams picked up a corpse and revived it. He did a remarkable job and he's a bloody nice bloke too.
Imagine what we would be like if Hangerland and Hughes played for Marco?
He's up there for sure but few others come to mine , keegan,hodgson,tigana, joka
No not yet. I have just stopped going regularly to the Cottage after 75 seasons and we have had some managers over those years who have given us some exciting times and deserve consideration
For a lot of my 75 seasons promotion to the top division has always been our prime objective and a few good maagers have achieved that including Scott Parker. Consider Frank Osborne who took us into the top flight in 1949 for the first time in our history, Kevin Keegan who gave us exciting football combined with good results.
Alex Stock should never be forgotten, remember that season with entertainers like Best, Marsh ,Moore, amd Mullery in the team.
Malcolm Macdonald was a huge success wining promotion from the third division and in the following season coming so close to promotion to the top flight.
Roy of course ,The Great Escape in the Premier League and then a European final, hard to beat.
The late Beddy Jezzard stands out above above all of the above and without doubt in my mind is our greatest manager over the last 75 seasons.
As a player Beddy had served Fulham well scoring over 150 g0als in some 300 matches, he retired early because of an injury incurred playing for England.
Appointed manager in 1958 he immediately won promotion to the top flight and kept us there on a shoe string budget for the next 5 seasons. He eventually submitted his resignation because the board had sold Alan Mullerry to spurs without his knowledge.
Silva is doing well but he will have to continue in this fashion for a few more seasons to compare with Beddy Jezzard.
Yes he is. I judge success on the style of play not trophies wn or lost. His style is attacking regardless of the opposition and that for me is the mst important thing. I want to be entertained. He has been the best at the doing that since Tigana. Not to downplay Roy's achievements but for me. The style of football being played since Silva came has been the best of all the managers without a doubt
Quote from: gang on April 18, 2024, 12:13:44 AMBedford Jezzard got us promoted to the old division 1 with no money.
The late Beddy Jezzard has to be our best ever manager, promotion to the top flight in his first season followed by five seasons in the old first division on a shoe string budget. He finally resigned because the board sold Alan Mullery to Spurs without consulting him.
Beddy's playing career was pretty good as well, over 300games and 150 goals for Fulham stopped short by an injury playing for England.
Quote from: sunburywhite on April 18, 2024, 08:49:43 PMImagine what we would be like if Hangerland and Hughes played for Marco?
Is the suggestion that we'd be better? Have to say, I think we've better players now, including at CB. Roy was just a miracle worker.
75 years Filham? That is incredible.
Hats off to you.
Quote from: Angus Telford on April 19, 2024, 08:56:47 PMQuote from: sunburywhite on April 18, 2024, 08:49:43 PMImagine what we would be like if Hangerland and Hughes played for Marco?
Is the suggestion that we'd be better? Have to say, I think we've better players now, including at CB. Roy was just a miracle worker.
H&H were miles better (in my humble) that any CB pairing we have now
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on April 19, 2024, 09:14:54 PM75 years Filham? That is incredible.
Hats off to you.
Thanks, I am missing the Cottage a lot. Pleased to say that a young friend is taking me to the Palace game next week. I am really looking forward to that. Meanwhile will tune in to the Liverpool match on Sky tomorrow but it is not as good as being there.
Get stuff, I'm glad that you are still getting up there even if it's not as often as you would like these days.
The club should be paying you to get there now I reckon.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on April 17, 2024, 10:56:37 PMI think Roy is still first, but Marco does seem a very good fit for Fulham....with a fair wind we could have a decent cup run with him... problem is - we always have one eye looking over our shoulder at the magic 40 point's
Roy's football, away from home was pretty dire but.... That European run was something else and gave me some unforgettable moments. So he's number one and Marco is the only one who could potentially unseat him.
Please can we stop about the 'magic 40 points', it doesn't exist. The most Luton can get this season is 37 if the win all their games. Should be the magic 34.6 points....
Marco is there with Roy. I know Marco doesn't have the European record of Roy, but remember that Europe was easier to achieve then (before the league became so bar-belled). I believe last year's squad equalled the point total that earned them Europe for Roy. And we were no where near. It's a different world.
Not quite up There with Roy as far as achievements, the great escape then the Europa cup final,,
Marco's got a promotion and This season weve done Liverpool Away and Spurs and Arsenal convincingly
I'd say it's very close but in my opinion he's a better coach/manager
Slav for me in the promotion season was really special also, such a shame that the conditions let him down the following season, Ranieri was a major disappointment
In current years of coarse
