Train wreck

[filham]

We have a soft underbelly, and we are relegation fodder. We were a poor second today with no heart beat and very little resilience, too many players like Vieto. Schurrie, Anguissa and Seri don't fancy it or are just not equipped to play in this League.
Weak mentality and gutless.

Questions really do have to be asked about those four,  never before have so many done so little and cost so much in wages and transfer fees. How can we ensure that we do not make the same mistakes again in the winter window.
Ban new foreign players ?

[MJG]

We are almost relegated. 9 out of 48 points. To stay up we need at least 35 points.

Not capable of picking away points. Only two wins at home. Who do we attract in January being rock bottom?

West Ham at home is to be or not to be game. Fail to win, and we need miracle to stay up. Not say impossible, but improbable.

five of our away games have been at big six teams where out of 38 games they have lost only 3, so odds always against in those games.

[Spirit of 2000]

We have a soft underbelly, and we are relegation fodder. We were a poor second today with no heart beat and very little resilience, too many players like Vieto. Schurrie, Anguissa and Seri don't fancy it or are just not equipped to play in this League.
Weak mentality and gutless.

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Bang on.

[bobbo]

Christ...How much have we spent on garbage in the last 3 seasons on rubbish from abroad.

this last influx of not good enough players needs to be the last. We must be a laughing stock . To name a  couple of others over the years marlet mitroglu. There's more, but why are we the club being sold pups continually.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Christ...How much have we spent on garbage in the last 3 seasons on rubbish from abroad.

this last influx of not good enough players needs to be the last. We must be a laughing stock . To name a  couple of others over the years marlet mitroglu. There's more, but why are we the club being sold pups continually.

Because our unqualified,  incompetent, inefficient, inexperienced, negligent Stats team led by TK, are exactly all those things.

[nose returns]

overreaction, Can see all the posts here today will be just that. So time to log off for me.

I cannot agree. I think i am being restrained
£100m wasted
9 points,
Bottom
40 conceded
No proper central midfielder or full backs or talented wingers or replacement center forward
TC playing out of position and very dispirited
9 goals in four games
A second rate new manager
A transfer policy overseen by a very nice man with absolutely no idea

I think we are very restrained

[davew]

Christ...How much have we spent on garbage in the last 3 seasons on rubbish from abroad.

this last influx of not good enough players needs to be the last. We must be a laughing stock . To name a  couple of others over the years marlet mitroglu. There's more, but why are we the club being sold pups continually.

Because our unqualified,  incompetent, inefficient, inexperienced, negligent Stats team led by TK, are exactly all those things.

You sound like me Woolly, angry!!! Not sure bringing back Kline would be a good idea, the club is in disarray, I am not sure where to start to sort it, our owner cannot be happy though I think with the balloon and parachute payments even allowing for the amount wasted in the last window, he will probably break even and have another go next season!

[bobbo]

overreaction, Can see all the posts here today will be just that. So time to log off for me.

I cannot agree. I think i am being restrained
£100m wasted
9 points,
Bottom
40 conceded
No proper central midfielder or full backs or talented wingers or replacement center forward
TC playing out of position and ver dispirited
9 goals in four games
A second rate new manager
A transfer policy overseen by a very nice man with absolutely no idea

I think we are very restrained

hard to argue against that.

[Woolly Mammoth]

Christ...How much have we spent on garbage in the last 3 seasons on rubbish from abroad.

this last influx of not good enough players needs to be the last. We must be a laughing stock . To name a  couple of others over the years marlet mitroglu. There's more, but why are we the club being sold pups continually.

Because our unqualified,  incompetent, inefficient, inexperienced, negligent Stats team led by TK, are exactly all those things.

You sound like me Woolly, angry!!! Not sure bringing back K would be a good idea, the club is in disarray, I am not sure where to start to sort it, our owner cannot be happy though I think with the balloon and parachute payments even allowing for the amount wasted in the last window, he will probably break even and have another go next season!

Who is k ?

[DevonFFC]

overreaction, Can see all the posts here today will be just that. So time to log off for me.

Dare I ask how it's an overreaction? We have 8 points from a potential 50 points or so. This season is beyond rapprochement. If you can somehow justify the shambolic nature of this team, please tell me how you've managed it, I'd like to try the same.

Because our season is not over by any means, we are not relegated yet.

Also we have 9 points from a possible 48... if you insist on quoting figures basic maths should be used

[YoungsBitter]

Well the first half was a train wreck. But dare I say poor tactics from the manager. Second half much better in spots. Better tactics from the manager. I don't like to blame referees but he spoilt the game. The penalty for us was very debatable. Considering Kamara was involved and it is claimed he dives I think the ref would have been a little more careful. But then the ref makes up for it with a poor sending off for a fair tackle.

However we were awful  for much of the game.

The penalty was a penalty.  Kamara is about to shoot and gets taken out.  Yes some of the ball was touched, but both legs were taken as well, definite foul.  By rights, as Kamara was one on one, six yards out, he was denied a clear goal scoring opportunity, should have been red card.
We were pretty poor and didn't deserve anything from the game, but the ref not carding the Utd player for cleaning out the striker in front of goal and then carding Anguissa for an innocuous challenge near the halfway line, well it's worth a grumble.

I thought the same as you, bang on penalty and second yellow was very questionable.
As others have pointed out, we have played Citeh, ManU, Chels, Liverpool and Spuds away plus the Arse at home so far. Our season was never going to be determined by those games but by the games against the teams around us. We played poorly today and Ranieri has learned how much work is needed yet to get this team playing better. You can criticize individuals throughout the team for the first half from Rico to Schurrle, perhaps with exception of Mawson and Bryan and I am sure there was full and frank discussion after the game in the changing room.
Taking off Cairney and Mitro was a smart move once we were 3-0 down to save them for West Ham ( I assume TC for fitness and Mitro to avoid a yellow card).
Hope Chambers injury is minor and he is back against the Hammers.

[ChesterTheTabby]

overreaction, Can see all the posts here today will be just that. So time to log off for me.

I cannot agree. I think i am being restrained
£100m wasted
9 points,
Bottom
40 conceded
No proper central midfielder or full backs or talented wingers or replacement center forward
TC playing out of position and very dispirited
9 goals in four games
A second rate new manager
A transfer policy overseen by a very nice man with absolutely no idea

I think we are very restrained

Boom. Exactly this.

[ChesterTheTabby]

overreaction, Can see all the posts here today will be just that. So time to log off for me.

Dare I ask how it's an overreaction? We have 8 points from a potential 50 points or so. This season is beyond rapprochement. If you can somehow justify the shambolic nature of this team, please tell me how you've managed it, I'd like to try the same.

Because our season is not over by any means, we are not relegated yet.

Also we have 9 points from a possible 48... if you insist on quoting figures basic maths should be used

Oh, my goodness, how silly of me. I didn't know we had a mountainous 9 points! Surely we're staying up now. Please, I'll return the same passive aggressive attitude back at you if you're going to make childish counters. I rushed a response and mixed up my points by one - does that change our fortunes? No. Period. Let's do some basic logical reasoning shall we?

[the nutflush]

overreaction, Can see all the posts here today will be just that. So time to log off for me.

I cannot agree. I think i am being restrained
£100m wasted
9 points,
Bottom
40 conceded
No proper central midfielder or full backs or talented wingers or replacement center forward
TC playing out of position and ver dispirited
9 goals in four games
A second rate new manager
A transfer policy overseen by a very nice man with absolutely no idea

I think we are very restrained

hard to argue against that.

All except for the second rate manager bit.  Give the guy a bit of respect please....  Not many have done what he has done.

But agree with all the rest. Reinforcements re needed in Jan and lots of them.  And Ranieri needs to be handed the cheque book.

[DevonFFC]

overreaction, Can see all the posts here today will be just that. So time to log off for me.

Dare I ask how it's an overreaction? We have 8 points from a potential 50 points or so. This season is beyond rapprochement. If you can somehow justify the shambolic nature of this team, please tell me how you've managed it, I'd like to try the same.

Because our season is not over by any means, we are not relegated yet.

Also we have 9 points from a possible 48... if you insist on quoting figures basic maths should be used

Oh, my goodness, how silly of me. I didn't know we had a mountainous 9 points! Surely we're staying up now. Please, I'll return the same passive aggressive attitude back at you if you're going to make childish counters. I rushed a response and mixed up my points by one - does that change our fortunes? No. Period. Let's do some basic logical reasoning shall we?

Well it does have an impact doesn't it as come the end the season every point could and will count.
Calm down and stop getting in a tangle over the results, there is still plenty of time, pretty certain this time last year we hadn't gone on out unbeaten run. Long old season ahead

[toshes mate]

I cannot agree. I think i am being restrained
£100m wasted
9 points,
Bottom
40 conceded
No proper central midfielder or full backs or talented wingers or replacement center forward
TC playing out of position and very dispirited
9 goals in four games
A second rate new manager
A transfer policy overseen by a very nice man with absolutely no idea

I think we are very restrained

Spot on.  I actually feel FFC supporters are often far too restrained, and nice, and polite.  You put the facts clearly.  Now some answers from the owners would be welcome.

[davew]

Christ...How much have we spent on garbage in the last 3 seasons on rubbish from abroad.

this last influx of not good enough players needs to be the last. We must be a laughing stock . To name a  couple of others over the years marlet mitroglu. There's more, but why are we the club being sold pups continually.

Because our unqualified,  incompetent, inefficient, inexperienced, negligent Stats team led by TK, are exactly all those things.

You sound like me Woolly, angry!!! Not sure bringing back K would be a good idea, the club is in disarray, I am not sure where to start to sort it, our owner cannot be happy though I think with the balloon and parachute payments even allowing for the amount wasted in the last window, he will probably break even and have another go next season!

Who is k ?

That is a mystery to me also, must be some gremlins in the laptop keyboard, did I mean Kline I wonder?

[bill taylors apprentice]

This might be stretching credibility but I think individually many of our squad could do a job in a decent PL team but that's the point we are not a decent team!

There's a lack of understanding between the players, commitment to each other and the cause, the kind of last ditch tackle or block you that you see in every other team for 90 minutes just doesn't happen with our lot.

I hope this bit makes sense but I feel its not a case of whether they care or not because they haven't got to the stage of being a close unit yet and its only at that stage can you collectively dig as deep as possible to compete at this level.

For me the biggest problem was getting promoted with a relatively thin squad boosted by loan players who generally weren't good enough for the PL, therefore we didn't just need to add some quality we needed to build a whole new team.

Mitro apart, we were always racing against time to build a team from the few players from last season that could step up to the PL and the many new recruits needed.

I can't help feeling that if the managers list of players he wanted  was given priority and early enough (and he must of had one) things may of been a bit better?

[HV71]

This might be stretching credibility but I think individually many of our squad could do a job in a decent PL team but that's the point we are not a decent team!

There's a lack of understanding between the players, commitment to each other and the cause, the kind of last ditch tackle or block you that you see in every other team for 90 minutes just doesn't happen with our lot.

I hope this bit makes sense but I feel its not a case of whether they care or not because they haven't got to the stage of being a close unit yet and its only at that stage can you collectively dig as deep as possible to compete at this level.

For me the biggest problem was getting promoted with a relatively thin squad boosted by loan players who generally weren't good enough for the PL, therefore we didn't just need to add some quality we needed to build a whole new team.

Mitro apart, we were always racing against time to build a team from the few players from last season that could step up to the PL and the many new recruits needed.

I can't help feeling that if the managers list of players he wanted  was given priority and early enough (and he must of had one) things may of been a bit better?

Very well put

The very things that are helping grind out results for teams like Cardiff are completely absent from our club, management , players and fans . They have a grit , a sense of real team work  and are together in a form of "Dunkirk spirit " that has completely disappeared from us .

I just hope that Ranieri is given the tools to build a squad that will play the way he wants to . Anything less will surely see us returning to the Championship

[ron]

By my rusty maths skills and steam-driven calculator we are bang on course to achieve a mighty 21.375 points - be generous, call it 22 - by the time this disastrous season draws to a close.