Scapegoats....

[colinwhite]

I am as unhappy with this season as anyone.The team has been poor all season,and we all want to know why . We have all been suffering particularly after the optimism of that great day at wembley last year,and what seemed to be a statement of intent by the club
to upgrade on many positions and back the club by the owners with Tony Khan at the helm.
The rebuilding of the squad from the late days of Magath ,was nothing short of miraculous. The squad was completely overhauled and with the signings of Mitro and Targett last January completed giving the team a balance ,which led to a quality of football that I have never witnessed during the 53 years that I have supported the club.
Big mistakes have been made by all in involved, not least the owners and the appointment of Ranieri who was a complete misfit in playing philosophy for a group of players brought into to play the possession based game advocated by Jokanovic.
Tony khan has been made the scapegoat by many. Hes an easy target . Nepotism sits badly with most, and the naivety of the Khans is constantly banded about as the reason for our failure ,as though they somehow are only at the club to make money or  for some other less than legitimate reason,and Tony Khan has suddenly become the anti-christ.
This for me is the ultimately naivety in this whole ,sorry situation the club finds itself in. Would the Khans have spent 100 million on the team if Tony not been responsible for recruitment?
Get rid of him some say with monotonous repetition in just about every post they write. Get rid of the khans and bring in new others say others.
I believe we have owners that are well-intended,not without fault or blame but neither setting out to wreck the club. Khan senior is clearly an astute business man and I,  for one think hes a decent owner. I hope he will get it right and the club will learn huge lessons from this season. In all the negative vitriol thrown at the club we ,the supporters should be careful what we wish for.
It could be a hell-of-a lot worse.

[Twig]

I have seen very few, if any, posts asking for The Khans to go. Indeed, the majority are not even asking for Tony to go entirely, merely that he relinquish football related duties and be left to focus on business related matters to support his father in strengthening the club.  I don't think anyone is suggesting they do not have best intentions of the club at heart?

[colinwhite]

I hope your right Twig,but that is not the way I have been seeing it ! 

[HV71]

I have seen very few, if any, posts asking for The Khans to go. Indeed, the majority are not even asking for Tony to go entirely, merely that he relinquish football related duties and be left to focus on business related matters to support his father in strengthening the club.  I don't think anyone is suggesting they do not have best intentions of the club at heart?

This is exactly how I feel about them . I can totally understand, and have no problem , with TK being involved with the club but simply not as DOF.

[bill taylors apprentice]

You have clearly spent some time writing the OP but I don't get your point ?

[colinwhite]

My point is there is as Parker stated a `disconect` at the club .
Many fans seem to want their cake and eat it. We spent big (which we cant take for granted ),and this was largely due to TKs influence . Seems niave to me to assume that the spending will continue if TK was to get the boot.

[Milo]

I believe it's the (alleged) dynamic of Tony Khan wanting to "prove a point" to his father by using unproven statistical models to control a club that some are upset with.

I think having Tony Khan there to unlock his father's money is obviously good for the club.. and we would be niaive in thinking that wouldn't come with a price. Perhaps we just need a better balance? And for that.. quite a few on here have suggested another man/woman as Co-Director of Football (or just below).

[ALG01]

Let us be clear, most people IMO want the Khan's out per se.
BUT
TK only remains in situ because his dad is owner. Until that is rectified the extreme critical comments will in=evitably going to continue.

[filham]

No doubt that the Khans have given full financial support to the club, not sure where we would be without them, and lets not forget the success of that wonderful play off at Wembley.

I just want to see Tony Khan as general manager with an experienced football man alongside him as Director of football. Also can our recruitment team switch the emphasis from stats to the manager's needs.

[Statto]

Many fans seem to want their cake and eat it. We spent big (which we cant take for granted ),and this was largely due to TKs influence . Seems niave to me to assume that the spending will continue if TK was to get the boot.

This sounds like the spurious philosophy of Michel Barnier now permeating other walks of life... this idea that anything good or useful must be counter-balanced by something pointless or painful

I'd like a car that I can drive both forwards and, when I'm parking, in reverse. You (and Michel) would probably tell me that's impossible - you can have a car that goes forwards, or a car that goes backwards, but not a car that can do both. Such a car would be the stuff of unicorns and fairies. 

Personally I don't see any reason why Khan wouldn't just want the millions he's spending to be used effectively to bring the club success, in a way that serves not only the club itself but also Khan's own reputation in business/sport/the UK, and the value of his investment. Surely that's ultimately what we all (the club, fans and Khan) want. If that would mean his son taking a different role (where, I might add, his son would be far less exposed to the abuse and stress which is patently upsetting him at the moment) why exactly is it "naive" to expect that?!!!   

[bill taylors apprentice]

My point is there is as Parker stated a `disconect` at the club .
Many fans seem to want their cake and eat it. We spent big (which we cant take for granted ),and this was largely due to TKs influence . Seems niave to me to assume that the spending will continue if TK was to get the boot.

The "disconnect" is a red herring,  It happens for all kinds of reasons but normal when a team is so pathetic!
Spending big is a waste of money and damaging if it achieves below average (being kind) results!

I repeat, I'm convinced the majority of fans understand the benefits of our owner but its such a shame his resources are so obviously wasted which then multiplies the pressure this failure brings on the club.

[The Rational Fan]

I'm impressed with what Tom Cairney is reported to have said "The owners backed us and spent a lot of money we had so many new players arrive on Deadline Day and maybe the integration, we've not bonded as quickly and that has shown on the pitch and we've been playing catch up ever since and we've struggled to find any rhythm or momentum in the season and put wins together and get any confidence."

[colinwhite]

thanks for all the rational ,reasonable replies. I agree with alot of the sentiments and hope I am wrong in my perception of what some on the forum want. Of course I would like another football man to come in as an advisor/ mentor / implimenter to TK.
Even then there is no guaranteeof success. Roy brought Konchesky to Liverpool as he needed a reliable LB, only to find that this was  the type of player many fans were never going to accept, and that he was a total misfit for that particular club.

[The Rational Fan]

Would the Khans have spent 100 million on the team if Tony not been responsible for recruitment? ........In all the negative vitriol thrown at the club we ,the supporters should be careful what we wish for........ It could be a hell-of-a lot worse.

For me, your post is an excellent summary of the situtation, and I cannot understand the vitriol thrown around. For me, as long as this club has players like Mawson, Seri, Cairney, Sessegnon and Mitrovoic our premier league hopes are alive even though it maybe via the Championship. I don;t understand why the fans are pressure on who is the DOF, this doesn't matter, what matters is keeping our best players and replacing any we lose.

So, If FFC fans want to pressure the Khans, it should be "Tony Khan greatest achievement was to buy Mitrovoic, so don't sell him".

[Logicalman]

I totally agree with the OP and can see the point being made.
There have been a number of posters, perfectly entitled, who have nothing less that vitriol towards both Tony and Khan Sr, almost since the time they purchased the club, lets not kid ourselves.

I believe that whereas they have made mistakes, some might even consider them rookie mistakes, they have had the future of the club in mind at all times, and it has never been anything less than a full effort by them to gain success, as much for business reasons as anything else.

Perhaps a move away from recruitment for Tony might be the answer for us, but I cannot recall a time since we regained the top flight  some 19 years ago, that people have been happy with our recruitment team, so the grass does seem greener somehow, but always turns out to be the same grass on both sides of the fence.

[Statto]

I totally agree with the OP and can see the point being made.
There have been a number of posters, perfectly entitled, who have nothing less that vitriol towards both Tony and Khan Sr, almost since the time they purchased the club, lets not kid ourselves.

I believe that whereas they have made mistakes, some might even consider them rookie mistakes, they have had the future of the club in mind at all times, and it has never been anything less than a full effort by them to gain success, as much for business reasons as anything else.

Perhaps a move away from recruitment for Tony might be the answer for us, but I cannot recall a time since we regained the top flight  some 19 years ago, that people have been happy with our recruitment team, so the grass does seem greener somehow, but always turns out to be the same grass on both sides of the fence.

Your central points seems to be, "they have had the future of the club in mind at all times", which is very reasonable and something I agree with.

But that seems to contradict the OP's key argument that it's "naive... to assume that the spending will continue if TK was to get the boot", in other words, Shahid Khan is not paying to give the club a good future at all, he's paying to give TK a hobby, even when that patently harms the club

[colinwhite]

Sentances that start with"  ìn other words " and arguement by analogy is usually either irrelivant to the points being made  or the  twisting a statemate for an alternative agenda. Either way,they are  cheap ploys in debate which dont work too well.
We will never know the motivation of Khan senior ,but I hope he keeps backing the club in the transfer market .

[Statto]

Sentances that start with"  ìn other words " and arguement by analogy is usually either irrelivant to the points being made  or the  twisting a statemate for an alternative agenda. Either way,they are  cheap ploys in debate which dont work too well.

Speak for yourself Colin. For those of us who can spell "sentences", "argument" and "irrelevant" correctly, they're effective rhetorical devices and good ways to articulate a valid point.

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[davew]

Sentances that start with"  ìn other words " and arguement by analogy is usually either irrelivant to the points being made  or the  twisting a statemate for an alternative agenda. Either way,they are  cheap ploys in debate which dont work too well.

Speak for yourself Colin. For those of us who can spell "sentences", "argument" and "irrelevant" correctly, they're effective rhetorical devices and good ways to articulate a valid point.

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LOL, glad your spell checker system is working!

[colinwhite]

Sorry statto they are cheap tricks in  argument which are both irritating and transparent. Your spelling is excellent though !!