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Which Championship Team Owner...

Started by AnOldBrownie, January 18, 2020, 08:40:46 PM

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Twig

I like Shad Khan, always have. As well as his clear willingness to make long term investments in the club's infrastructure, I also like him as a person. He is something of a philanthropist and unlike most NFL owners he took a more measured attitude to CK over the "taking the knee" demonstration.

I wasn't happy with the nepotism and am still against it but it's his club and at least his son seems to be learning. 

Best owners in the division? I don't know enough about the others, but on balance I wouldn't swop them.

Steven Ageroad

As Bruce Forsyth would say "He's my favourite"!

FulhamStu

Quote from: Statto on January 19, 2020, 10:23:30 AM
Quote from: FulhamStu on January 19, 2020, 08:58:33 AM
Alfayed was wonderful for the first and middle part of his ownership but lost interest towards the end and was the reason we were initially relegated from the Premier. 

Khan bought something with a use by date and ignored it. It's not the seller's fault Khan got food poisoning.

Mo played a blinder when he sold, and gave us excellent new owners.  It took them a few years to work things out but I now believe we are on the right track football wise and nobody can dispute that the new Riverside Stand is not happening now !


The Rational Fan

#23
Quote from: Twig on January 19, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
I wasn't happy with the nepotism and am still against it but it's his club and at least his son seems to be learning. 

Five Reason's why Tony being DOF might not be Nepotism
1. Tony Khan could be considered the co-owner of the club and employing yourself is not nepotism.
2. Tony Khan could be considered the future owner of the club and it is acceptable to give an executive position to the future chairman.
3. Tony Khan could be considered the owner's liaison officer, statistical officer or financial officer, all of which he is fairly qualified.
4. As the DOF position doesn't command a salary, other options would cost more and the owner might not be willing to pay for better.
5. As Tony Khan's DOF position doesn't command a salary, could he in fact be the best available person of those willing to work for free.

     

YankeeJim

Quote from: ALG01 on January 18, 2020, 09:34:36 PM

In our 7th season, two relegations, two near relegations, losing one of the best managers, chucking £100 m down the pan, not having a defence at the start of the season, not having prper full backs now.... having a nepotistic approach to a specialist role.... more like a  national league approach to management.


Yea! Bloody yanks.
Its not that I could and others couldn't.
Its that I did and others didn't.

Cottage Industry

Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 18, 2020, 08:40:46 PM
...would you rather have than Shahid Khan?   Knowing full well that included with Mr. Khan's ownership comes the locked in role of Tony Khan as director of football for as long as he wants it.


My answer?  Not one.   The Khan's are premiere league level owners running a Championship side.   We are lucky.

They are going to get things wrong...and the squad may not even get promoted this season...but I've watched a lot of English football clubs over the past 5 years, and as far as owners go the Khans generally stand a class above most other ownership groups.


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 19, 2020, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Twig on January 19, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
I wasn't happy with the nepotism and am still against it but it's his club and at least his son seems to be learning. 

Five Reason's why Tony being DOF might not be Nepotism
1. Tony Khan could be considered the co-owner of the club and employing yourself is not nepotism.
2. Tony Khan could be considered the future owner of the club and it is acceptable to give an executive position to the future chairman.
3. Tony Khan could be considered the owner's liaison officer, statistical officer or financial officer, all of which he is fairly qualified.
4. As the DOF position doesn't command a salary, other options would cost more and the owner might not be willing to pay for better.
5. As Tony Khan's DOF position doesn't command a salary, could he in fact be the best available person of those willing to work for free.

     

My professional advice to you TRF, if you ever considered becoming a Barrister or a Queens Council or a Defence Lawyer.
Please do not rely on it for your main income. 
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

HV71

I like Shad Khan, always have. As well as his clear willingness to make long term investments in the club's infrastructure, I also like him as a person. He is something of a philanthropist and unlike most NFL owners he took a more measured attitude to CK over the "taking the knee" demonstration.

I wasn't happy with the nepotism and am still against it but it's his club and at least his son seems to be learning. 

Best owners in the division? I don't know enough about the others, but on balance I wouldn't swop them.





A very accurate and balanced view in my opinion

TK has undoubtedly improved ... but if he hadn't have been the owners son then I doubt he would have survived as DOF on his previous performance. Nepotism , or even the possibility of it, is something to be avoided at all costs.

Let us just be grateful though that things gave got better

The Rational Fan

#28
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 20, 2020, 08:57:09 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 19, 2020, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Twig on January 19, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
I wasn't happy with the nepotism and am still against it but it's his club and at least his son seems to be learning. 

Five Reason's why Tony being DOF might not be Nepotism
1. Tony Khan could be considered the co-owner of the club and employing yourself is not nepotism.
2. Tony Khan could be considered the future owner of the club and it is acceptable to give an executive position to the future chairman.
3. Tony Khan could be considered the owner's liaison officer, statistical officer or financial officer, all of which he is fairly qualified.
4. As the DOF position doesn't command a salary, other options would cost more and the owner might not be willing to pay for better.
5. As Tony Khan's DOF position doesn't command a salary, could he in fact be the best available person of those willing to work for free.

     

My professional advice to you TRF, if you ever considered becoming a Barrister or a Queens Council or a Defence Lawyer.
Please do not rely on it for your main income.

My grandfather and uncle were both Queens Council and they said the same thing. I took their advice. Although I stick by points above, to accuse Shahid Khan of nepotism, then you have to prove that Tony Khan is not a co-owner, not the future chairman and not the best person for the job given the salary level of zero. Courts would probably find Tony Khan is the best DOF that doesn't earn a salary of even claim expensive from the club, and you get what you pay for. 


HV71

A lawyer is a person who writes a 10,000-word document and calls it a "brief." —Franz Kafka

"A Lawyer will do anything to win a case, sometimes he will even tell the truth." —Patrick Murray

I rest my case

toshes mate

It strikes me that football has got a long way out of kilter if the OP thinks ownership is the be all and end all of a well run football club.  It is a team sport and like any team sport it requires the whole line-up from boardroom to the more menial jobs to be singing from the same hymn sheet.  If it wasn't for the Khans buying from MAF then who else would have had a punt.  Owners choose clubs to own and not the other way around and so the question is a bit of a red herring with no rational answer.  Some of the comments above (and I don't need to point them out to you) should kind of tell you just how irrational the question is.

Statto

Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 19, 2020, 04:55:31 PM
4. As the DOF position doesn't command a salary, other options would cost more and the owner might not be willing to pay for better.
5. As Tony Khan's DOF position doesn't command a salary, could he in fact be the best available person of those willing to work for free.

He may not take a salary but last year TK cost us a place in the Premier League. That was worth what, £120m? Probably makes him the most expensive DoF in world football...


Tabby

I'm not overly bothered by ownership unless they're openly asset stripping. The worst thing you can put on the Khans is that they're slightly incompetent.

Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 20, 2020, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 20, 2020, 08:57:09 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 19, 2020, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Twig on January 19, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
I wasn't happy with the nepotism and am still against it but it's his club and at least his son seems to be learning. 

Five Reason's why Tony being DOF might not be Nepotism
1. Tony Khan could be considered the co-owner of the club and employing yourself is not nepotism.
2. Tony Khan could be considered the future owner of the club and it is acceptable to give an executive position to the future chairman.
3. Tony Khan could be considered the owner's liaison officer, statistical officer or financial officer, all of which he is fairly qualified.
4. As the DOF position doesn't command a salary, other options would cost more and the owner might not be willing to pay for better.
5. As Tony Khan's DOF position doesn't command a salary, could he in fact be the best available person of those willing to work for free.

     

My professional advice to you TRF, if you ever considered becoming a Barrister or a Queens Council or a Defence Lawyer.
Please do not rely on it for your main income.

My grandfather and uncle were both Queens Council and they said the same thing. I took their advice. Although I stick by points above, to accuse Shahid Khan of nepotism, then you have to prove that Tony Khan is not a co-owner, not the future chairman and not the best person for the job given the salary level of zero. Courts would probably find Tony Khan is the best DOF that doesn't earn a salary of even claim expensive from the club, and you get what you pay for. 

I haven't got to prove he is guilty, he has to prove he is innocent, which means he has about as much chance as some bloke called Guido Fawkes had in 1605.
As for the courts and the judges, they would probably let TK go on a technicality, as they seem to let everyone else go except the little old lady feeding the pigeons.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

The Rational Fan

#34
Quote from: Statto on January 20, 2020, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 19, 2020, 04:55:31 PM
4. As the DOF position doesn't command a salary, other options would cost more and the owner might not be willing to pay for better.
5. As Tony Khan's DOF position doesn't command a salary, could he in fact be the best available person of those willing to work for free.

He may not take a salary but last year TK cost us a place in the Premier League. That was worth what, £120m? Probably makes him the most expensive DoF in world football...

Sorry your wrong in terms of lost revenue, Tony Khan is not even the most expensive DOF in the Premier League surely that title goes to either Ed Woodward or Sunderland's DOF. Out of Sunderland's 37 of the last 40 signings lost money; plus Jack Rodwell proved to be a much bigger mistake than any of our players.

Our DOF convinced the owner to give him enough money to buy players for 36-42 points, so Toby Khan did very well there already better than Ed Woodward. Then, he bought a squad that probably only good enough to get 32-36 points but frankly the squad was good enough to beat Brighton, Cardiff and Huddersfield in the first half of season so Tony Khan shouldnt get all the blame.

No one thinks Tony Khan is the smartest DOF in terms of football and realistically he is probably a touch below average, but i think he wants the club to win trophies more than give him an income, he is the best DOF at getting the owner to back him (proven to corelate to 76% of DOF success) and in the other 24% of his job he is only slightly below average (Aston Villas DOF is not much better) and is clearly improving quickly.


General

Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 20, 2020, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 20, 2020, 08:57:09 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 19, 2020, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Twig on January 19, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
I wasn't happy with the nepotism and am still against it but it's his club and at least his son seems to be learning. 

Five Reason's why Tony being DOF might not be Nepotism
1. Tony Khan could be considered the co-owner of the club and employing yourself is not nepotism.
2. Tony Khan could be considered the future owner of the club and it is acceptable to give an executive position to the future chairman.
3. Tony Khan could be considered the owner's liaison officer, statistical officer or financial officer, all of which he is fairly qualified.
4. As the DOF position doesn't command a salary, other options would cost more and the owner might not be willing to pay for better.
5. As Tony Khan's DOF position doesn't command a salary, could he in fact be the best available person of those willing to work for free.

     

My professional advice to you TRF, if you ever considered becoming a Barrister or a Queens Council or a Defence Lawyer.
Please do not rely on it for your main income.

My grandfather and uncle were both Queens Council and they said the same thing. I took their advice. Although I stick by points above, to accuse Shahid Khan of nepotism, then you have to prove that Tony Khan is not a co-owner, not the future chairman and not the best person for the job given the salary level of zero. Courts would probably find Tony Khan is the best DOF that doesn't earn a salary of even claim expensive from the club, and you get what you pay for. 

Lol... having gone down a similar route to you in my earlier years as claiming other indirect family successes as as justifying my own intellect let me tell you - their success is not yours, neither is their ability to intellectually discern... on top of which no one and I repeat no one has as perfect decision making process, even more so when it comes to an industry they are voyeurs of and not actual participants. No matter the success of relatives materially and in ways you've been brought up to value there are millions who has just as elevated intellects, lifestyles and earnings who have achieved it from a completely different set of principles and values.

Tony Khan if not related to shahid Khan would very likely not have even properly registered Fulham as a club let alone got a job here, which he now balances with two or three others. It's nepotism - but based on the idea that if you have a certain education/brain or ability to learn critically think then you can do a job..

The Rational Fan

#36
Quote from: General on January 20, 2020, 11:30:38 PM

Tony Khan if not related to shahid Khan would very likely not have even properly registered Fulham as a club let alone got a job here, which he now balances with two or three others. It's nepotism - but based on the idea that if you have a certain education/brain or ability to learn critically think then you can do a job..

Ok, if you want to take legal action against Shahid Khan (69 years old) for nepotism and force him to sack Tony Khan go ahead, but rest assured one day Tony Khan will own Fulham and Fulham will be begging him to invest more money and some property developer will be promising to pay him money if council approves apartments on Craven Cottage. After we hurt his ego, hope TK as owner chooses to protect the club and save the club rather than cash in.

Lyle from Hangeland

Quote from: ALG01 on January 18, 2020, 09:34:36 PM

In our 7th season, two relegations, two near relegations, losing one of the best managers, chucking £100 m down the pan, not having a defence at the start of the season, not having prper full backs now.... having a nepotistic approach to a specialist role.... more like a  national league approach to management.

Gobbledygook.


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: ALG01 on January 18, 2020, 09:34:36 PM

In our 7th season, two relegations, two near relegations, losing one of the best managers, chucking £100 m down the pan, not having a defence at the start of the season, not having prper full backs now.... having a nepotistic approach to a specialist role.... more like a  national league approach to management.

Yes it does appear that way, and there is a pattern, at least his best mate the one he covered up for, for the best part of two seasons the odious CK  eventually walked the plank.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

The Rational Fan

#39
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on January 21, 2020, 06:21:28 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on January 18, 2020, 09:34:36 PM

In our 7th season, two relegations, two near relegations, losing one of the best managers, chucking £100 m down the pan, not having a defence at the start of the season, not having prper full backs now.... having a nepotistic approach to a specialist role.... more like a  national league approach to management.

Gobbledygook.

The Khans have given £212,288,682 more than they have taken from Fulham, and you are worried they wasted some of the £120 m spent in the summer of 2018. Besides I reckon the players bought are still worth near £90m that Mitro 32m, Anguissa 25m, Seri 12m, Bryan 10m, Mawson 8m, Fabri 2m and MLM 1m, so that 30m wasted (i.e. 0.5% of Shahid Khan's fortune lost or 14% of all the money they have given to Fulham FC).