Ream Bashers

Motspur · August 21, 2020, 09:29:15 PM

I don't post very often because I read some posts and think there are posters supposedly Fulham supporters or possibly other club fans trying to stir the pot. I've read so many negative comments about how Tim Ream has performed over the past season. I see it so differently about how he initiates our attacks from defence as the manager and our style of play dictates. I understand that a mistake or two has materialised but I believe his calmness and passing qualities has been enormous in our gaining promotion. If anyone wishes to rewatch our playoff finals at Wembley on both occasions Tim was outstanding; nullify opposition attackers but calmness in distribution. There is obviously areas for improvement but I loathe the number of messages criticising Tim and other players after such a successful season. I'm not from across the pond but a season ticket holder living in Wandsworth and reading some of the posts on this site which picks on specific players really deflates me. Lets support our players rather than look to criticize them at every opportunity.
Just to add I'd like to comment how lucky we are to have the owners that we do; a new Riverside stand soon to open, continued investment in the playing squad and open discussion/communication with the club supporters.

Fulhamfan666 · August 21, 2020, 09:31:04 PM

Tim Ream is that you?

Motspur · August 21, 2020, 09:35:22 PM

no its his son.

Lighthouse · August 21, 2020, 09:36:32 PM

We have posts that ridicule players and coach and owner after every set back. Then the same posters treat the coach and players and owners as heroes after every success. It is what happens on social media. However we have been weak at the back for some time before Hector came. Ream played brilliantly in our last promotion season but wasn't very good in the Prem and had too many iffy moments last season to be relied upon. Although after lockdown he did look closer to his best form.

Football is about opinion and most of us have an opinion even if is uneducated. We support the club and the players but as in any true love affair. We are quick to criticise.

fulhamben · August 21, 2020, 09:36:35 PM

everyone played well in the final, should we keep them all as first teamers? not upgrade one single postion? and calmness on the ball is not something ive associated with time tim this season, he has looked dodgy on numerous occasions. we have to, absolutely have to upgrade our defence from the one that was so disastrous just 12 months ago if we want any chance of survival. hecter alone will not save us, and no position should be safe if an upgrade is available.

Radiowhite · August 21, 2020, 09:47:45 PM

Tim ream can't perform in the prem for me it's as simple as that. As much as he is a club hero he can't be starting for us next season.

filham · August 21, 2020, 10:06:12 PM

Perhaps we should look at Tim's stats, starting with how may games he played last season and then making a list of who played more.

Hugh Gentry · August 21, 2020, 10:12:43 PM

I haven't read any wholesale criticism of Ream, simply people pointing out the obvious, he is not good enough to be a starter at Center Back in the Premier League, we cannot afford the risk.

fulhamben · August 21, 2020, 10:13:12 PM

Quote from: filham on August 21, 2020, 10:06:12 PM
Perhaps we should look at Tim's stats, starting with how may games he played last season and then making a list of who played more.

tim only played because kongolo was injured. And he did fantastically well, I'd be amazed if scott has changed his mind and now thinks Tim will be good enough

Hugh Gentry · August 21, 2020, 10:13:31 PM

Quote from: filham on August 21, 2020, 10:06:12 PM
Perhaps we should look at Tim's stats, starting with how may games he played last season and then making a list of who played more.

In the Championship

JEEVES · August 21, 2020, 10:19:39 PM

Quote from: wonderfulthingcali on August 21, 2020, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: filham on August 21, 2020, 10:06:12 PM
Perhaps we should look at Tim's stats, starting with how may games he played last season and then making a list of who played more.
In the Championship

Did a good job to get us promoted twice? Yes.

Needs replacing because he's not premiership quality? Yes.

Motspur · August 21, 2020, 10:19:55 PM

I appreciate the responses and further discussion - my main point was how we too quickly criticise most of our players even after success. We can assume that SP will want to play out from the back and wondering with budget options what will be best options for LCB. Tim Ream in my opinion has been pivotal in our 'playing out from the back' style before and from Parker managerial appointment. Tim's defending within our defensive organisation has pinpointed areas for improvement (whether this is individual or group defence is open to further debate), however is Kongolo a better option to replace Tim? What is Kongolo's or AN Other replacement playing out from the back capabilities versus the defensive strengths/requirements. The value of a top centre back is substantial whilst Chris Smalling would be a good acquisition he would cost a considerable transfer fee plus significant wages. Who else is available better than Tim at a reasonable fee and overall value? We saw last season on occasions that after bringing in MLM at a cost and he's nowhere near being able to play a playing out from the back role.

EastEndWhite · August 21, 2020, 10:21:44 PM

Quote from: wonderfulthingcali on August 21, 2020, 10:12:43 PM
I haven't read any wholesale criticism of Ream, simply people pointing out the obvious, he is not good enough to be a starter at Center Back in the Premier League, we cannot afford the risk.

I'm happy for Scott Parker to be the judge of that.

Big T · August 21, 2020, 10:27:21 PM

I'm Pro Ream aswell and think he's more then capable at the highest level as he proved at the international level and week in week out at Fulham

One can not judge him based on our previous premier league excursion, as the whole team was useless, if your gonna base it on that then the whole team needs to go Mitro included

One thing I will say about Ream is that he's a confidence player, similar to Cairney in that respect, meaning he needs a run of games to find his form, he's not the type of player that's gonna come off the bench after an injury and play well, he's All about momentum and flow

He has definitely earnt his right to have another go at the highest level and alongside Hector he could have the season of his career,,,,,

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMM

Anyone saying he should be dumped, shame on you!!!!!

FFC1987 · August 21, 2020, 10:38:08 PM

Quote from: Lighthouse on August 21, 2020, 09:36:32 PM
We have posts that ridicule players and coach and owner after every set back. Then the same posters treat the coach and players and owners as heroes after every success. It is what happens on social media. However we have been weak at the back for some time before Hector came. Ream played brilliantly in our last promotion season but wasn't very good in the Prem and had too many iffy moments last season to be relied upon. Although after lockdown he did look closer to his best form.

Football is about opinion and most of us have an opinion even if is uneducated. We support the club and the players but as in any true love affair. We are quick to criticise.

Its almost like your saying posters praise good work and criticise bad work.....jokes aside, I get your meaning though. Parker is a prime example, the margin between him being sacked and ending up as a hero were so marginal in the end. As I said though, if its a disaster next season, I won't be calling for the managers head. Hes earned a go at the top flight, so lets enjoy the ride.

Whitestone · August 21, 2020, 10:41:35 PM

Tim Ream is a proven performer in the Championship but he has shown along with others from the 2018 promotion team (plus MLM) that he isn't good enough for The Premier League. Just my opinion based on the debacle of the season before last. The team conceded 81 goals. It's quite frankly ridiculous to go again with the same players in defence.

Craven Mad · August 21, 2020, 10:45:08 PM

I'm less concerned by Ream, more concerned about what we do if he (for whatever reason) can't play.

We have two good options at CB (Tim/Hec), but we need more. Alfie hasn't been able to keep fitness and doesn't seem best suited to Scott's style. Kongolo is gone.

Rate Tim or not, we need better cover at CB, and it just seems sensible to improve on what we have via an upgrade.

ffcne · August 21, 2020, 10:49:53 PM

Quote from: Radiowhite on August 21, 2020, 09:47:45 PM
Tim ream can't perform in the prem for me it's as simple as that. As much as he is a club hero he can't be starting for us next season.

Exactly.

Matt10 · August 22, 2020, 12:41:13 AM

The problem is there were so few individuals that stood out as positive the last time we were in the PL. The only way this guys will ever start becoming PL quality to supporters is by having them play within context of this management team under Scott Parker. It's a clean slate for everyone imho. That's how our players need to think, and hopefully that's how our management thinks. If individuals like Tim Ream get their chance, I hope he takes it and proves the doubters wrong. At the end of the day, we're all Fulham and I doubt any of us are truly wishing poor performance by anyone willing wear the shirt.

Woolly Mammoth · August 22, 2020, 12:55:36 AM

I believe it's a case of wanting to be wise before the event, and not repeat mistakes the last time around.
Nobody should argue against surgery on the back line, and it has been identified by every man and his dog that there are weaknesses. I have no problem with Tim Ream being in the squad and part of a defensive unit, but not sure he can hold a place down for too long, but if he get his chance he should take it. Having said that, the club would be committing suicide of epic proportions if we did not bring in a Premier Quality CB and a RB of the same quality, otherwise it will be another backs to the wall season. It will be too late once the Window closes, the Die will be cast.

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