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Started by Andy S, September 22, 2020, 08:52:47 PM

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Mr K.Dilkington

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Quote from: Mr K.Dilkington on September 22, 2020, 09:50:25 PM
They should just keep politics and or racial politics out of football if they don't want controversy. Not that they'll do that.

Well this comment alone is pretty controversial.

Yes it is. But people are ok with it, which is the problem..
its a problem that people want all politics kept out of football? Pandora's box has been opened now anyway and all politics will be bought into football 
Exactly my feeling. Too late now. It's going to be rubbed in your face forever more and they'll be no place to escape from it,but that's the point.
Foolish ham

Andy S

How many people took notice of the slogan at our ground " Kick Racism Out Of Football" ? How many of us were aware that there was racism in football? Before the BLM protest fades to nothing the next part of making things happen needs to be done. We cannot undo history and neither should we try. Ripping statues down is no good but erecting new ones of black hero's should be done. Watford should erect a statue of John Barns and Luther Blisset. There is also Arther Wharton one of the first players to play in England. A brilliant athlete by all accounts Then we have Benjamin Odefe the first black player to represent England at any level. His statue should be erected at Wembley next to that of Bobby Moore.
Laurie Cunningham of West Brom was the first black player to represent England at the top level. So instead of going down on one knee some of these black footballers should dip into their pockets and fund some decent statues so that we can remember these players for future generations. Or at least get supporters on board

Jurassic Parker

Quote from: Andy S on September 24, 2020, 10:23:00 PM
How many people took notice of the slogan at our ground " Kick Racism Out Of Football" ? How many of us were aware that there was racism in football? Before the BLM protest fades to nothing the next part of making things happen needs to be done. We cannot undo history and neither should we try. Ripping statues down is no good but erecting new ones of black hero's should be done. Watford should erect a statue of John Barns and Luther Blisset. There is also Arther Wharton one of the first players to play in England. A brilliant athlete by all accounts Then we have Benjamin Odefe the first black player to represent England at any level. His statue should be erected at Wembley next to that of Bobby Moore.
Laurie Cunningham of West Brom was the first black player to represent England at the top level. So instead of going down on one knee some of these black footballers should dip into their pockets and fund some decent statues so that we can remember these players for future generations. Or at least get supporters on board

0001.jpeg very level post, behind you here


Jurassic Parker

Quote from: blingo on September 24, 2020, 06:42:58 PM
But if you still do not want politics in football then I assume you are for removing minute silences on d-day? The removal of anythinf of the kind, no poppies on the shirt? That is political too, the difference is we all see it as our war, our body politics.

That is NOT political it is respect for those who gave their lives so that we can be free.

As opposed to lives lost in black emancipation? Celebrating a war won is political, being on the good side of history is still political. I wasnt downplaying the war heroes, Im a history graduate I dont need to be told about that, Im just trying to help us understand what it means to be political.

Status quo is political, still, even if normalised. We just forget it is because its our culture.

KingofCheese

Here's the thing..you can take the knee and feel good about yourself. You can point out the others who don't take the knee and say they are racist and feel good about yourself. You can campaign to take down statues of people who died before Britain banned slavery in 1803 and feel good about yourself. However, all the Trans Atlantic slaves are long gone but millions are in slavery today and whilst everyone taking part in protests against American police (with not actual outcomes here in the UK - we are a different country) may be able to preen in front of their dinner party friends, no one was saved no one was freed and no one's life got better.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/data/maps/#prevalence

I joined the International Anti-Slavery movement. I don't say that to make myself look good (I did nothing for all of my life up o now) I say it to promote actually doing something rather than gestures.
Jullie Kaas is mijn Kaas

WolverineFFC

#25
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 24, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 24, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
I don't have a problem with qpr not taking a knee if they don't take action if one of their players chooses to individually do so prior to kick off. Imo

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Amen. I think the protests have been a great failure or mistake. First, I don't think the movement is seriously warranted, which many people seem to realize. Second, millionaire athletes needed to have sacrificed much more, like their millions, if they wanted to really try and affect some kind of change if they knew what that actually was, but instead they're just posturing, continue to play and take their pay. And I am someone who also definitely supports the statement: black lives matter. Who truly doesn't in America in 2020?

One did, he lost his football career over it. I respect him for what he chose to sacrifice and the symbolism he was trying to invoke. The fact that so many Americans did not either understand or chose to demonize his actions was upsetting to me. But it was in line with the status quo. You either had to be either ignorant or have your head in the sand to not realize these things were occurring in the United States.

Kneeling before each game now seems opportunistic on the part of professional leagues. Much like a moment of silence before a game, doing it as they returned seemed legitimate, not so much now. I respect QPR's statement and believe it is correct. If a player wants to kneel, sing, put their arm over their heart during an anthem, more power to them. Otherwise, it is time to start looking for better, more effective ways to invoke true change.


Lyle from Hangeland

#26
Quote from: WolverineFFC on September 25, 2020, 03:01:52 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 24, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 24, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
I don't have a problem with qpr not taking a knee if they don't take action if one of their players chooses to individually do so prior to kick off. Imo

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

Amen. I think the protests have been a great failure or mistake. First, I don't think the movement is seriously warranted, which many people seem to realize. Second, millionaire athletes needed to have sacrificed much more, like their millions, if they wanted to really try and affect some kind of change if they knew what that actually was, but instead they're just posturing, continue to play and take their pay. And I am someone who also definitely supports the statement: black lives matter. Who truly doesn't in America in 2020?

One did, he lost his football career over it. I respect him for what he chose to sacrifice and the symbolism he was trying to invoke. The fact that so many Americans did not either understand or chose to demonize his actions was upsetting to me. But it was in line with the status quo. You either had to be either ignorant or have your head in the sand to not realize these things were occurring in the United States.

Kneeling before each game now seems opportunistic on the part of professional leagues. Much like a moment of silence before a game, doing it as they returned seemed legitimate, not so much now. I respect QPR's statement and believe it is correct. If a player wants to kneel, sing, put their arm over their heart during an anthem, more power to them. Otherwise, it is time to start looking for better, more effective ways to invoke true change.

That is absolutely not true. He wasn't a good enough quarterback and his play ran him out of the league. And now he's profiting because of the corporate use of BLM. Nike pays him millions to endorse their stuff. CK is just a poseur who is profiting from pretending to be a black radical of the 60s.

What is ignorant is trying to say black people don't have equal rights or are lesser than in America. That hasn't been the case for years. What is going on today is about profit and political power. It's quite laughable but for the fact that it pays big time for someone like Kaepernick who is a pretty face for corporations to profit off of. Hopefully this is the halcyon days of critical race theorists, because they are a bane to all human beings.

AnOldBrownie

Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 25, 2020, 04:53:55 AM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on September 25, 2020, 03:01:52 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 24, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 24, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
I don't have a problem with qpr not taking a knee if they don't take action if one of their players chooses to individually do so prior to kick off. Imo

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Amen. I think the protests have been a great failure or mistake. First, I don't think the movement is seriously warranted, which many people seem to realize. Second, millionaire athletes needed to have sacrificed much more, like their millions, if they wanted to really try and affect some kind of change if they knew what that actually was, but instead they're just posturing, continue to play and take their pay. And I am someone who also definitely supports the statement: black lives matter. Who truly doesn't in America in 2020?

One did, he lost his football career over it. I respect him for what he chose to sacrifice and the symbolism he was trying to invoke. The fact that so many Americans did not either understand or chose to demonize his actions was upsetting to me. But it was in line with the status quo. You either had to be either ignorant or have your head in the sand to not realize these things were occurring in the United States.

Kneeling before each game now seems opportunistic on the part of professional leagues. Much like a moment of silence before a game, doing it as they returned seemed legitimate, not so much now. I respect QPR's statement and believe it is correct. If a player wants to kneel, sing, put their arm over their heart during an anthem, more power to them. Otherwise, it is time to start looking for better, more effective ways to invoke true change.

That is absolutely not true. He wasn't a good enough quarterback and his play ran him out of the league. And now he's profiting because of the corporate use of BLM. Nike pays him millions to endorse their stuff. CK is just a poseur who is profiting from pretending to be a black radical of the 60s.

What is ignorant is trying to say black people don't have equal rights or are lesser than in America. That hasn't been the case for years. What is going on today is about profit and political power. It's quite laughable but for the fact that it pays big time for someone like Kaepernick who is a pretty face for corporations to profit off of. Hopefully this is the halcyon days of critical race theorists, because they are bane to all human beings.
I may be wrong...but your post implies that you think racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Am I correct in that assumption?

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filham

I have respect for Les Ferdinand and we should listen carefully to what he has to say.


Lyle from Hangeland

Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 25, 2020, 05:15:28 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 25, 2020, 04:53:55 AM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on September 25, 2020, 03:01:52 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 24, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 24, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
I don't have a problem with qpr not taking a knee if they don't take action if one of their players chooses to individually do so prior to kick off. Imo

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

Amen. I think the protests have been a great failure or mistake. First, I don't think the movement is seriously warranted, which many people seem to realize. Second, millionaire athletes needed to have sacrificed much more, like their millions, if they wanted to really try and affect some kind of change if they knew what that actually was, but instead they're just posturing, continue to play and take their pay. And I am someone who also definitely supports the statement: black lives matter. Who truly doesn't in America in 2020?

One did, he lost his football career over it. I respect him for what he chose to sacrifice and the symbolism he was trying to invoke. The fact that so many Americans did not either understand or chose to demonize his actions was upsetting to me. But it was in line with the status quo. You either had to be either ignorant or have your head in the sand to not realize these things were occurring in the United States.

Kneeling before each game now seems opportunistic on the part of professional leagues. Much like a moment of silence before a game, doing it as they returned seemed legitimate, not so much now. I respect QPR's statement and believe it is correct. If a player wants to kneel, sing, put their arm over their heart during an anthem, more power to them. Otherwise, it is time to start looking for better, more effective ways to invoke true change.

That is absolutely not true. He wasn't a good enough quarterback and his play ran him out of the league. And now he's profiting because of the corporate use of BLM. Nike pays him millions to endorse their stuff. CK is just a poseur who is profiting from pretending to be a black radical of the 60s.

What is ignorant is trying to say black people don't have equal rights or are lesser than in America. That hasn't been the case for years. What is going on today is about profit and political power. It's quite laughable but for the fact that it pays big time for someone like Kaepernick who is a pretty face for corporations to profit off of. Hopefully this is the halcyon days of critical race theorists, because they are bane to all human beings.
I may be wrong...but your post implies that you think racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Am I correct in that assumption?

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No, my post does not imply racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Racism exists everywhere and probably will to some degree forever, since human beings are inherently bigoted towards others for all manner of reasons. Clearly though Barack Obama couldn't have been President if America was truly a racist place. Sadiq Khan couldn't have made it in America so that he could now own Fulham. LeBron James couldn't be on a path to billionaire status if our way of life and laws were racist. And Minneapolis would have never hired an Asian, Hispanic, and black cop to arrest George Floyd that day.

As you know, racism isn't just a white on black thing, but can be a black on white thing, a white on white thing, so on and so forth. BLM is itself arguably a racist movement or at the very least a movement that abides racists. I can't support that and will stand up to those who do. Do black lives matter though? Yes, most definitely.

Fulham Joe


We Are Premier League

Quote from: Andy S on September 24, 2020, 10:23:00 PM
How many people took notice of the slogan at our ground " Kick Racism Out Of Football" ? How many of us were aware that there was racism in football? Before the BLM protest fades to nothing the next part of making things happen needs to be done. We cannot undo history and neither should we try. Ripping statues down is no good but erecting new ones of black hero's should be done. Watford should erect a statue of John Barns and Luther Blisset. There is also Arther Wharton one of the first players to play in England. A brilliant athlete by all accounts Then we have Benjamin Odefe the first black player to represent England at any level. His statue should be erected at Wembley next to that of Bobby Moore.
Laurie Cunningham of West Brom was the first black player to represent England at the top level. So instead of going down on one knee some of these black footballers should dip into their pockets and fund some decent statues so that we can remember these players for future generations. Or at least get supporters on board

Perhaps we should get the Michael Jackson statue back...


Fulham Joe


QuoteNo, my post does not imply racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Racism exists everywhere and probably will to some degree forever, since human beings are inherently bigoted towards others for all manner of reasons. Clearly though Barack Obama couldn't have been President if America was truly a racist place. Sadiq Khan couldn't have made it in America so that he could now own Fulham. LeBron James couldn't be on a path to billionaire status if our way of life and laws were racist. And Minneapolis would have never hired an Asian, Hispanic, and black cop to arrest George Floyd that day.

As you know, racism isn't just a white on black thing, but can be a black on white thing, a white on white thing, so on and so forth. BLM is itself arguably a racist movement or at the very least a movement that abides racists. I can't support that and will stand up to those who do. Do black lives matter though? Yes, most definitely.

Please tell me it's not true, Sadiq Khan doesn't own Fulham now does he?

MikeTheCubed

Quote from: Andy S on September 24, 2020, 10:23:00 PM
How many people took notice of the slogan at our ground " Kick Racism Out Of Football" ? How many of us were aware that there was racism in football? Before the BLM protest fades to nothing the next part of making things happen needs to be done. We cannot undo history and neither should we try. Ripping statues down is no good but erecting new ones of black hero's should be done. Watford should erect a statue of John Barns and Luther Blisset. There is also Arther Wharton one of the first players to play in England. A brilliant athlete by all accounts Then we have Benjamin Odefe the first black player to represent England at any level. His statue should be erected at Wembley next to that of Bobby Moore.
Laurie Cunningham of West Brom was the first black player to represent England at the top level. So instead of going down on one knee some of these black footballers should dip into their pockets and fund some decent statues so that we can remember these players for future generations. Or at least get supporters on board

Should there also be a statue of the first Asian player? And the first homosexual player? What about the first muslim player?

And there I was thinking the whole point of kicking racism (and discrimination in general) out of football was to recognise one on merits rather than superficial characteristics.

AnOldBrownie

Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 25, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 25, 2020, 05:15:28 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 25, 2020, 04:53:55 AM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on September 25, 2020, 03:01:52 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 24, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 24, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
I don't have a problem with qpr not taking a knee if they don't take action if one of their players chooses to individually do so prior to kick off. Imo

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

Amen. I think the protests have been a great failure or mistake. First, I don't think the movement is seriously warranted, which many people seem to realize. Second, millionaire athletes needed to have sacrificed much more, like their millions, if they wanted to really try and affect some kind of change if they knew what that actually was, but instead they're just posturing, continue to play and take their pay. And I am someone who also definitely supports the statement: black lives matter. Who truly doesn't in America in 2020?

One did, he lost his football career over it. I respect him for what he chose to sacrifice and the symbolism he was trying to invoke. The fact that so many Americans did not either understand or chose to demonize his actions was upsetting to me. But it was in line with the status quo. You either had to be either ignorant or have your head in the sand to not realize these things were occurring in the United States.

Kneeling before each game now seems opportunistic on the part of professional leagues. Much like a moment of silence before a game, doing it as they returned seemed legitimate, not so much now. I respect QPR's statement and believe it is correct. If a player wants to kneel, sing, put their arm over their heart during an anthem, more power to them. Otherwise, it is time to start looking for better, more effective ways to invoke true change.

That is absolutely not true. He wasn't a good enough quarterback and his play ran him out of the league. And now he's profiting because of the corporate use of BLM. Nike pays him millions to endorse their stuff. CK is just a poseur who is profiting from pretending to be a black radical of the 60s.

What is ignorant is trying to say black people don't have equal rights or are lesser than in America. That hasn't been the case for years. What is going on today is about profit and political power. It's quite laughable but for the fact that it pays big time for someone like Kaepernick who is a pretty face for corporations to profit off of. Hopefully this is the halcyon days of critical race theorists, because they are bane to all human beings.
I may be wrong...but your post implies that you think racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Am I correct in that assumption?

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No, my post does not imply racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Racism exists everywhere and probably will to some degree forever, since human beings are inherently bigoted towards others for all manner of reasons. Clearly though Barack Obama couldn't have been President if America was truly a racist place. Sadiq Khan couldn't have made it in America so that he could now own Fulham. LeBron James couldn't be on a path to billionaire status if our way of life and laws were racist. And Minneapolis would have never hired an Asian, Hispanic, and black cop to arrest George Floyd that day.

As you know, racism isn't just a white on black thing, but can be a black on white thing, a white on white thing, so on and so forth. BLM is itself arguably a racist movement or at the very least a movement that abides racists. I can't support that and will stand up to those who do. Do black lives matter though? Yes, most definitely.
Good post...but please explain how BLM abides racism.  I'm sure there are some racist minorities using it to push an agenda...but surely that's a vast minority itself.


And while your listing of successful minorities is correct...the BLM movement is meant to drive home a WORLD problem...not just an American problem.



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AnOldBrownie

Quote from: MikeTheCubed on September 25, 2020, 04:43:52 PM
Quote from: Andy S on September 24, 2020, 10:23:00 PM
How many people took notice of the slogan at our ground " Kick Racism Out Of Football" ? How many of us were aware that there was racism in football? Before the BLM protest fades to nothing the next part of making things happen needs to be done. We cannot undo history and neither should we try. Ripping statues down is no good but erecting new ones of black hero's should be done. Watford should erect a statue of John Barns and Luther Blisset. There is also Arther Wharton one of the first players to play in England. A brilliant athlete by all accounts Then we have Benjamin Odefe the first black player to represent England at any level. His statue should be erected at Wembley next to that of Bobby Moore.
Laurie Cunningham of West Brom was the first black player to represent England at the top level. So instead of going down on one knee some of these black footballers should dip into their pockets and fund some decent statues so that we can remember these players for future generations. Or at least get supporters on board

Should there also be a statue of the first Asian player? And the first homosexual player? What about the first muslim player?

And there I was thinking the whole point of kicking racism (and discrimination in general) out of football was to recognise one on merits rather than superficial characteristics.
Another good post. Who, that supports the BLM movement, would disagree with anything you just posted?

I don't see a conflict.



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BM1090

#36
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 24, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 24, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
I don't have a problem with qpr not taking a knee if they don't take action if one of their players chooses to individually do so prior to kick off. Imo

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Amen. I think the protests have been a great failure or mistake. First, I don't think the movement is seriously warranted, which many people seem to realize. Second, millionaire athletes needed to have sacrificed much more, like their millions, if they wanted to really try and affect some kind of change if they knew what that actually was, but instead they're just posturing, continue to play and take their pay. And I am someone who also definitely supports the statement: black lives matter. Who truly doesn't in America in 2020?

A ton of people, unfortunately.

Regarding the athletes, a ton of them HAVE given their time, effort and money to combat racism. The NBA players boycotted for three days and were met with criticism from a large percentage of the population. They were told they were virtue signaling.

As a result of the boycott, all 30 NBA teams will be opening their arenas as polling locations for the upcoming election. This will mostly benefit African-American communities whose voting rights were being suppressed. They are affecting change. They aren't responsible for fixing policies just because the government is incapable or unwilling to do so. The statement that they are just posturing is either uninformed or disingenuous.

BM1090

Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 25, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 25, 2020, 05:15:28 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 25, 2020, 04:53:55 AM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on September 25, 2020, 03:01:52 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 24, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 24, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
I don't have a problem with qpr not taking a knee if they don't take action if one of their players chooses to individually do so prior to kick off. Imo

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

Amen. I think the protests have been a great failure or mistake. First, I don't think the movement is seriously warranted, which many people seem to realize. Second, millionaire athletes needed to have sacrificed much more, like their millions, if they wanted to really try and affect some kind of change if they knew what that actually was, but instead they're just posturing, continue to play and take their pay. And I am someone who also definitely supports the statement: black lives matter. Who truly doesn't in America in 2020?

One did, he lost his football career over it. I respect him for what he chose to sacrifice and the symbolism he was trying to invoke. The fact that so many Americans did not either understand or chose to demonize his actions was upsetting to me. But it was in line with the status quo. You either had to be either ignorant or have your head in the sand to not realize these things were occurring in the United States.

Kneeling before each game now seems opportunistic on the part of professional leagues. Much like a moment of silence before a game, doing it as they returned seemed legitimate, not so much now. I respect QPR's statement and believe it is correct. If a player wants to kneel, sing, put their arm over their heart during an anthem, more power to them. Otherwise, it is time to start looking for better, more effective ways to invoke true change.

That is absolutely not true. He wasn't a good enough quarterback and his play ran him out of the league. And now he's profiting because of the corporate use of BLM. Nike pays him millions to endorse their stuff. CK is just a poseur who is profiting from pretending to be a black radical of the 60s.

What is ignorant is trying to say black people don't have equal rights or are lesser than in America. That hasn't been the case for years. What is going on today is about profit and political power. It's quite laughable but for the fact that it pays big time for someone like Kaepernick who is a pretty face for corporations to profit off of. Hopefully this is the halcyon days of critical race theorists, because they are bane to all human beings.
I may be wrong...but your post implies that you think racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Am I correct in that assumption?

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No, my post does not imply racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Racism exists everywhere and probably will to some degree forever, since human beings are inherently bigoted towards others for all manner of reasons. Clearly though Barack Obama couldn't have been President if America was truly a racist place. Sadiq Khan couldn't have made it in America so that he could now own Fulham. LeBron James couldn't be on a path to billionaire status if our way of life and laws were racist. And Minneapolis would have never hired an Asian, Hispanic, and black cop to arrest George Floyd that day.

As you know, racism isn't just a white on black thing, but can be a black on white thing, a white on white thing, so on and so forth. BLM is itself arguably a racist movement or at the very least a movement that abides racists. I can't support that and will stand up to those who do. Do black lives matter though? Yes, most definitely.

Pointing out exceptions to racism doesn't mean racism in America isn't a problem. Anyone that does the bare minimum amount of research can see that there are systems in place here designed to ensure minorities are lower status than white people. We have a president that openly supports racist practices. As a country, we've improved greatly when it comes to racism at an individual level but there are widespread systemic issues still in place. Those systems are particularly harmful to African-Americans.


Lyle from Hangeland

Quote from: Fulham Joe on September 25, 2020, 04:39:41 PM

QuoteNo, my post does not imply racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Racism exists everywhere and probably will to some degree forever, since human beings are inherently bigoted towards others for all manner of reasons. Clearly though Barack Obama couldn't have been President if America was truly a racist place. Sadiq Khan couldn't have made it in America so that he could now own Fulham. LeBron James couldn't be on a path to billionaire status if our way of life and laws were racist. And Minneapolis would have never hired an Asian, Hispanic, and black cop to arrest George Floyd that day.

As you know, racism isn't just a white on black thing, but can be a black on white thing, a white on white thing, so on and so forth. BLM is itself arguably a racist movement or at the very least a movement that abides racists. I can't support that and will stand up to those who do. Do black lives matter though? Yes, most definitely.

Please tell me it's not true, Sadiq Khan doesn't own Fulham now does he?

Lol. You got me. Shahid Khan.

Lyle from Hangeland

Quote from: BM1090 on September 25, 2020, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 25, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 25, 2020, 05:15:28 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 25, 2020, 04:53:55 AM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on September 25, 2020, 03:01:52 AM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 24, 2020, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 24, 2020, 05:14:50 PM
I don't have a problem with qpr not taking a knee if they don't take action if one of their players chooses to individually do so prior to kick off. Imo

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

Amen. I think the protests have been a great failure or mistake. First, I don't think the movement is seriously warranted, which many people seem to realize. Second, millionaire athletes needed to have sacrificed much more, like their millions, if they wanted to really try and affect some kind of change if they knew what that actually was, but instead they're just posturing, continue to play and take their pay. And I am someone who also definitely supports the statement: black lives matter. Who truly doesn't in America in 2020?

One did, he lost his football career over it. I respect him for what he chose to sacrifice and the symbolism he was trying to invoke. The fact that so many Americans did not either understand or chose to demonize his actions was upsetting to me. But it was in line with the status quo. You either had to be either ignorant or have your head in the sand to not realize these things were occurring in the United States.

Kneeling before each game now seems opportunistic on the part of professional leagues. Much like a moment of silence before a game, doing it as they returned seemed legitimate, not so much now. I respect QPR's statement and believe it is correct. If a player wants to kneel, sing, put their arm over their heart during an anthem, more power to them. Otherwise, it is time to start looking for better, more effective ways to invoke true change.

That is absolutely not true. He wasn't a good enough quarterback and his play ran him out of the league. And now he's profiting because of the corporate use of BLM. Nike pays him millions to endorse their stuff. CK is just a poseur who is profiting from pretending to be a black radical of the 60s.

What is ignorant is trying to say black people don't have equal rights or are lesser than in America. That hasn't been the case for years. What is going on today is about profit and political power. It's quite laughable but for the fact that it pays big time for someone like Kaepernick who is a pretty face for corporations to profit off of. Hopefully this is the halcyon days of critical race theorists, because they are bane to all human beings.
I may be wrong...but your post implies that you think racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Am I correct in that assumption?

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No, my post does not imply racism is no longer a thing anywhere. Racism exists everywhere and probably will to some degree forever, since human beings are inherently bigoted towards others for all manner of reasons. Clearly though Barack Obama couldn't have been President if America was truly a racist place. Sadiq Khan couldn't have made it in America so that he could now own Fulham. LeBron James couldn't be on a path to billionaire status if our way of life and laws were racist. And Minneapolis would have never hired an Asian, Hispanic, and black cop to arrest George Floyd that day.

As you know, racism isn't just a white on black thing, but can be a black on white thing, a white on white thing, so on and so forth. BLM is itself arguably a racist movement or at the very least a movement that abides racists. I can't support that and will stand up to those who do. Do black lives matter though? Yes, most definitely.

Pointing out exceptions to racism doesn't mean racism in America isn't a problem. Anyone that does the bare minimum amount of research can see that there are systems in place here designed to ensure minorities are lower status than white people. We have a president that openly supports racist practices. As a country, we've improved greatly when it comes to racism at an individual level but there are widespread systemic issues still in place. Those systems are particularly harmful to African-Americans.

I completely disagree with you. That isn't true all. Trump is probably the least racist President in US history. I get it that a lot of people say he's racist, but they've got nothing on him that is in fact racist. It is just political nonsense.