Director of scouting

[ALG01]

it is only a step in the right direction if he does not have the DoF as his boss

Whether TK's title is DOF or tea lady is irrelevant. He's still everyone's boss and his boss is his old man.
If TK brings someone in who can do the job, even if not in title, then that can only be a positive step.

Ok I will rephrase.
The man in charge of recruitment will not be changing and his methodology will not be changing so whilst a new chief scout may be useful, it will mean nothing if the man in charge does not have a sea change in attitude or is replaced.

The way this should work is the owner sets the budget and it is up to his team to identify the players they want within that constraint, so in the end the owner remains the key player. But the objection to the current DoF is he is in charge of  selecting the players. I know they say there is a two box system but in the end TK is the man with the power. A new scout may bring different players to the the DoF's attention but really there is not a change being siuggested to the basic methodology. If it works I will be happy but it is obvious to anyone that runs a business what needs to be done.

The way business works is that those delegated to do the jobs are given the responsibilities and are held accountable from above.  The senior level sign offs are generally within the senior management team, so in Fulhams case, it could be to sign a player for £1-2M it can be signed off by the CEO, if £3-10M it needs the CEO and junior owner, but if it's more than that and potentially breaking the budget it needs the CEO, junior owner and Owner.  At the end of the day, senior management approvals are often just a check and balance exercise and should not represent a problem.  If our new Director scouting wanted to sign a player for £25M and I was the owner, I would want his and the Head Coach to justify and sell it me before I signed it off.  This ensures they really think it through and keeps the money under control. The job of the CEO is to manage FFP and set the budget.

Thank you and of course I understand how the business works (except for our CEO who seems to be responsible and accountable for nothing because he should be the boss of the DoF but clearly is not). However what you describe is not the model we have. The DoF is the man that makes the decisions on recruitment. He is only answerable to his dad. so if his dad says you can have £100m then he can spend it on who he wants, everyone else has to report to the DoF in that respect. A new chief scout, if I have understood correctly, will not change that. Tk remains an owner (or has a major interest) of an analytics company as is evidenced in an article posted on here today. I do not have a proiblem with analytics as such, it is a useful tool to assist a seasoned proffesional. But in the hands of an amateur it is a menance as we have observed.

The unfortunate thing about the Fulham business model is that the owner has seen fit to delgate a specialist job to an amateur with no ability in the role and that does not look li changing soon. It is not what he promised when he purchased the club. If Tony was not his father's son, he would not be here, he would surely have been shown the door years ago. A new head of scounting is  almost certainly PR stunt to paper of the cracks!

[Woolly Mammoth]

Let's face it neither Shahid Khan or his son know much about association football to be able to rely on their judgement. Even though Tony Khan in his deluded dream whilst polishing his inflated email, might think he does.
So if they wish to sincerely sustain and offer more possible success to Fulham FC, and plan both short term and long term then they have to employ professional qualified football people to carry out the position of D of F and Head of Scouting and Recruitment, and not the current pantomime and circus we have to tolerate with the current incumbent. That needs to take place in some shape or form for at least the sake of the Manager Head Coach. Otherwise I fear we shall continue to tread water and go round in circles.

[Bronaldinho]

The role was previously occupied by Javier Perriera (sp)

Perreira was Assistant Director of Football Operations - slightly different job title.

TK still will have ownership, he just wants someone to go through the data instead it seems.

[FulhamStu]

it is only a step in the right direction if he does not have the DoF as his boss

Whether TK's title is DOF or tea lady is irrelevant. He's still everyone's boss and his boss is his old man.
If TK brings someone in who can do the job, even if not in title, then that can only be a positive step.

Ok I will rephrase.
The man in charge of recruitment will not be changing and his methodology will not be changing so whilst a new chief scout may be useful, it will mean nothing if the man in charge does not have a sea change in attitude or is replaced.

The way this should work is the owner sets the budget and it is up to his team to identify the players they want within that constraint, so in the end the owner remains the key player. But the objection to the current DoF is he is in charge of  selecting the players. I know they say there is a two box system but in the end TK is the man with the power. A new scout may bring different players to the the DoF's attention but really there is not a change being siuggested to the basic methodology. If it works I will be happy but it is obvious to anyone that runs a business what needs to be done.

The way business works is that those delegated to do the jobs are given the responsibilities and are held accountable from above.  The senior level sign offs are generally within the senior management team, so in Fulhams case, it could be to sign a player for £1-2M it can be signed off by the CEO, if £3-10M it needs the CEO and junior owner, but if it's more than that and potentially breaking the budget it needs the CEO, junior owner and Owner.  At the end of the day, senior management approvals are often just a check and balance exercise and should not represent a problem.  If our new Director scouting wanted to sign a player for £25M and I was the owner, I would want his and the Head Coach to justify and sell it me before I signed it off.  This ensures they really think it through and keeps the money under control. The job of the CEO is to manage FFP and set the budget.

Thank you and of course I understand how the business works (except for our CEO who seems to be responsible and accountable for nothing because he should be the boss of the DoF but clearly is not). However what you describe is not the model we have. The DoF is the man that makes the decisions on recruitment. He is only answerable to his dad. so if his dad says you can have £100m then he can spend it on who he wants, everyone else has to report to the DoF in that respect. A new chief scout, if I have understood correctly, will not change that. Tk remains an owner (or has a major interest) of an analytics company as is evidenced in an article posted on here today. I do not have a proiblem with analytics as such, it is a useful tool to assist a seasoned proffesional. But in the hands of an amateur it is a menance as we have observed.

The unfortunate thing about the Fulham business model is that the owner has seen fit to delgate a specialist job to an amateur with no ability in the role and that does not look li changing soon. It is not what he promised when he purchased the club. If Tony was not his father's son, he would not be here, he would surely have been shown the door years ago. A new head of scounting is  almost certainly PR stunt to paper of the cracks!

What has been posted by Rustler of the Athletic who is pretty reliable is that we are looking for a director of scouting.  What has also been posted by someone with a source inside the organisation who is normally 95% on the money is that Tony Khan is to step aside and let the new man take over recruitment.  I don't know how true it is, I have only these tweets and posts to go on.  I was just pointing out how an owner be it, Shahid or Tony and the finance guy, ( our CEO ) would normally be involved.  You can view this however you like, yes it could be a smokescreen or it could be a genuine attempt to do all the things many folks have been crying out for.  Time will tell I guess.

[ALG01]

it is only a step in the right direction if he does not have the DoF as his boss

Whether TK's title is DOF or tea lady is irrelevant. He's still everyone's boss and his boss is his old man.
If TK brings someone in who can do the job, even if not in title, then that can only be a positive step.

Ok I will rephrase.
The man in charge of recruitment will not be changing and his methodology will not be changing so whilst a new chief scout may be useful, it will mean nothing if the man in charge does not have a sea change in attitude or is replaced.

The way this should work is the owner sets the budget and it is up to his team to identify the players they want within that constraint, so in the end the owner remains the key player. But the objection to the current DoF is he is in charge of  selecting the players. I know they say there is a two box system but in the end TK is the man with the power. A new scout may bring different players to the the DoF's attention but really there is not a change being siuggested to the basic methodology. If it works I will be happy but it is obvious to anyone that runs a business what needs to be done.

The way business works is that those delegated to do the jobs are given the responsibilities and are held accountable from above.  The senior level sign offs are generally within the senior management team, so in Fulhams case, it could be to sign a player for £1-2M it can be signed off by the CEO, if £3-10M it needs the CEO and junior owner, but if it's more than that and potentially breaking the budget it needs the CEO, junior owner and Owner.  At the end of the day, senior management approvals are often just a check and balance exercise and should not represent a problem.  If our new Director scouting wanted to sign a player for £25M and I was the owner, I would want his and the Head Coach to justify and sell it me before I signed it off.  This ensures they really think it through and keeps the money under control. The job of the CEO is to manage FFP and set the budget.

Thank you and of course I understand how the business works (except for our CEO who seems to be responsible and accountable for nothing because he should be the boss of the DoF but clearly is not). However what you describe is not the model we have. The DoF is the man that makes the decisions on recruitment. He is only answerable to his dad. so if his dad says you can have £100m then he can spend it on who he wants, everyone else has to report to the DoF in that respect. A new chief scout, if I have understood correctly, will not change that. Tk remains an owner (or has a major interest) of an analytics company as is evidenced in an article posted on here today. I do not have a proiblem with analytics as such, it is a useful tool to assist a seasoned proffesional. But in the hands of an amateur it is a menance as we have observed.

The unfortunate thing about the Fulham business model is that the owner has seen fit to delgate a specialist job to an amateur with no ability in the role and that does not look li changing soon. It is not what he promised when he purchased the club. If Tony was not his father's son, he would not be here, he would surely have been shown the door years ago. A new head of scounting is  almost certainly PR stunt to paper of the cracks!

What has been posted by Rustler of the Athletic who is pretty reliable is that we are looking for a director of scouting.  What has also been posted by someone with a source inside the organisation who is normally 95% on the money is that Tony Khan is to step aside and let the new man take over recruitment.  I don't know how true it is, I have only these tweets and posts to go on.  I was just pointing out how an owner be it, Shahid or Tony and the finance guy, ( our CEO ) would normally be involved.  You can view this however you like, yes it could be a smokescreen or it could be a genuine attempt to do all the things many folks have been crying out for.  Time will tell I guess.

Thank you for the additional information. Often there is substance in the rumour and sometimnes not. As you say, time will tell but whatever else we do need a sea change in the way we do things.

[clarkey]

Look any good experienced person coming into the club is handy.

Whoever advised the club to allow Kebano and AK47 and StefJo to go out on loan needs someone grown up to ask for advice, cos it has cost us.

[We Are Premier League]

it is only a step in the right direction if he does not have the DoF as his boss

Whether TK's title is DOF or tea lady is irrelevant. He's still everyone's boss and his boss is his old man.
If TK brings someone in who can do the job, even if not in title, then that can only be a positive step.

Ok I will rephrase.
The man in charge of recruitment will not be changing and his methodology will not be changing so whilst a new chief scout may be useful, it will mean nothing if the man in charge does not have a sea change in attitude or is replaced.

The way this should work is the owner sets the budget and it is up to his team to identify the players they want within that constraint, so in the end the owner remains the key player. But the objection to the current DoF is he is in charge of  selecting the players. I know they say there is a two box system but in the end TK is the man with the power. A new scout may bring different players to the the DoF's attention but really there is not a change being siuggested to the basic methodology. If it works I will be happy but it is obvious to anyone that runs a business what needs to be done.

The way business works is that those delegated to do the jobs are given the responsibilities and are held accountable from above.  The senior level sign offs are generally within the senior management team, so in Fulhams case, it could be to sign a player for £1-2M it can be signed off by the CEO, if £3-10M it needs the CEO and junior owner, but if it's more than that and potentially breaking the budget it needs the CEO, junior owner and Owner.  At the end of the day, senior management approvals are often just a check and balance exercise and should not represent a problem.  If our new Director scouting wanted to sign a player for £25M and I was the owner, I would want his and the Head Coach to justify and sell it me before I signed it off.  This ensures they really think it through and keeps the money under control. The job of the CEO is to manage FFP and set the budget.

Thank you and of course I understand how the business works (except for our CEO who seems to be responsible and accountable for nothing because he should be the boss of the DoF but clearly is not). However what you describe is not the model we have. The DoF is the man that makes the decisions on recruitment. He is only answerable to his dad. so if his dad says you can have £100m then he can spend it on who he wants, everyone else has to report to the DoF in that respect. A new chief scout, if I have understood correctly, will not change that. Tk remains an owner (or has a major interest) of an analytics company as is evidenced in an article posted on here today. I do not have a proiblem with analytics as such, it is a useful tool to assist a seasoned proffesional. But in the hands of an amateur it is a menance as we have observed.

The unfortunate thing about the Fulham business model is that the owner has seen fit to delgate a specialist job to an amateur with no ability in the role and that does not look li changing soon. It is not what he promised when he purchased the club. If Tony was not his father's son, he would not be here, he would surely have been shown the door years ago. A new head of scounting is  almost certainly PR stunt to paper of the cracks!

That is a very interesting point, Alistair Mackintosh has a really strange role. His employee (DoF) is also his boss (proxy for the owner of the club). But i'm sure that his 1.5m salary makes up for any bad feeling he has about that...