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Zambo Anguissa permanent transfer

Started by IloveFFC, March 06, 2022, 11:14:35 AM

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perry geyton

Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.

I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.

As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.

I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.

For once you've said something half sensible Bongo
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davew

Quote from: HV71 on March 14, 2022, 05:54:34 PM
100% agree with you Twig . Many on here rate him higher than Reed ( I know he is a different player ) and point to the stats . I prefer my own eyes which see little positive outcome from his efforts ( in a Fulham shirt that is )
Totally agree, really don't know why some of our fans rate him? He has never impressed me with his performances for Fulham, but then I have never seen him play for other teams where maybe he does show some class.
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Kingjay81

He's lovely to watch on the ball but just doesn't produce any goals, assists or match winning displays. We've been relegated in both seasons he's actually bothered to play for us so it's time to say goodbye.



bill taylors apprentice

I'm actually surprised Napoli are keen to buy him.

If you want to player who glides around the pitch looking the business, can nick the ball when he's bothered to get involved, and looks divine carrying the ball in the middle third Zambos you man.

But if you want a player who will battle when things aren't going for you, can score the odd goal and create good chances for others your wasting your time with Zambo!

FFC1987

Quote from: davew on March 14, 2022, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: HV71 on March 14, 2022, 05:54:34 PM
100% agree with you Twig . Many on here rate him higher than Reed ( I know he is a different player ) and point to the stats . I prefer my own eyes which see little positive outcome from his efforts ( in a Fulham shirt that is )
Totally agree, really don't know why some of our fans rate him? He has never impressed me with his performances for Fulham, but then I have never seen him play for other teams where maybe he does show some class.

Regardless of whether they are different players, Anguissa is of a much better standard than Reed. I'd choose to use both stats, and my eyes on this one. Reed is alright albeit extremely limited in what he does. He's almost a nod to the old game of someone who runs around a lot, will lose the ball if he plays the ball forward more so most often than not, passes sideways or backwards and slows our play down(Think a weaker Scotty P.). He's an asset off the ball and I think a very good one and will be again, be an asset in the EPL against the better sides, but if we're playing a bottom half of the division team with more of the ball, I'd want Anguissa or someone of his ilk all day long.

This isn't an anti Reed post, or even bigging Anguissa up as, if I'm honest, I'm not so keen he comes back. He's been part and parcel of two relegations and decided twice he didn't want to be a part of the success (in promotions). The club might of loaned him out due to FFP when he wanted to stay but I think the athletic article is likely right on this one. He just didn't want to play in the championship which is his choice and one I can both respect and think awkwardly on. If Silva wants him, fine, but I wouldn't mind a change up.

Lordedmundo

Quote from: WolverineFFC on March 06, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
After watching Marco bring Seri back from the castoffs, I have no doubt he could re-integrate FZA back in if needed.

Napoli would be getting a better than fair deal at 15m. Heading for promotion, Fulham hold all the bargaining power now. That was not the case in the summer. To sell him for less than the agreed upon price at this point would be foolish. There is no way they would be able to obtain a superior player for less.

I would personally get rid of Seri as well as Anguissa. The former is too slow and physically weak for the Premier League and the latter has the physical attributes, but literally zero end product.

I'm afraid all this talk of a players transfer value is absolutely pointless, if not a single club has offered even close to that price to buy him. I think we massively overpaid for both players - I would say that Anguissa was worth about £18m when we bought him and Seri about £10m.



Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: Twig on March 14, 2022, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.

I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.

As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.

I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.


Agree. There are people arguing that we don't know for certain that he wouldn't play for us in the Champ but that's certainly the message that came through at the time.

As to those who say we couldn't get another player of that quality for 15m, well what have we ever seen him actually deliver for us with all that supposed quality? The sum total of not a lot.  If that's "quality" then I'm not sure I want a similar quality replacement at any price.

Agree
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Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.

I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.

As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.

I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.


Agree
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on March 14, 2022, 06:21:53 PM
I'm actually surprised Napoli are keen to buy him.

If you want to player who glides around the pitch looking the business, can nick the ball when he's bothered to get involved, and looks divine carrying the ball in the middle third Zambos you man.

But if you want a player who will battle when things aren't going for you, can score the odd goal and create good chances for others your wasting your time with Zambo!

Agree
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.


Woolly Mammoth

Quote from: Lordedmundo on March 14, 2022, 06:26:18 PM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on March 06, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
After watching Marco bring Seri back from the castoffs, I have no doubt he could re-integrate FZA back in if needed.

Napoli would be getting a better than fair deal at 15m. Heading for promotion, Fulham hold all the bargaining power now. That was not the case in the summer. To sell him for less than the agreed upon price at this point would be foolish. There is no way they would be able to obtain a superior player for less.

I would personally get rid of Seri as well as Anguissa. The former is too slow and physically weak for the Premier League and the latter has the physical attributes, but literally zero end product.

I'm afraid all this talk of a players transfer value is absolutely pointless, if not a single club has offered even close to that price to buy him. I think we massively overpaid for both players - I would say that Anguissa was worth about £18m when we bought him and Seri about £10m.



Agree
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Deeping_white

It's very funny how at the start of the season people were trotting out all sorts of excuses as to why Seri should be nowhere near a Fulham team due to past experiences, promptly got proven wrong and went quiet on the matter and are now making the same sort of noises about Anguissa. Not sure if people on here have selective memories but he was the best player for us over the first few months of last season and then his form tailed off, like literally every player in the squad minus Areola. It's also funny how people are so quick to judge without considering that the coach was most likely the issue over recent times rather than any one individual, like the Parker fan club also found out the hard way as the rest of us foretold. Silva knows what he's doing and actually knows how to use a player of Seri's ability for example so it's very likely he'll want someone of Anguissa's skill set in his side. When he had Watford playing so well using a 433, he had Doucoure in a midfield three and Anguissa is a very similar player so I wouldn't be surprised to see him used in such a manner next season.

blingo

Quote from: perry geyton on March 14, 2022, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: blingo on March 14, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
He's a player who didn't want to play for us in the Championship, for ONE season. Yes he's a box to box player, but with very very few assists and even less goals. TBH I'm not sure he suits Silva's style of play.

I'm sorry but in my view, the second a player says "i'm not playing" for whatever reason, is the second I kick him out of the front door. He has shown us NO loyalty and NO desire to fight for the shirt.

As for the 15m euros, we will collectively lose more on other players that have been here longer and not lived up to the hype. Knock and Cav, Mawson and Kongolo being examples. I know that individually they may not be worth as much, however there has to be at least £50m there plus wages.

I'd sell him for the 15m euros and be gone with him. One player doesn't make a team.

For once you've said something half sensible Bongo
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blingo

Quote from: Lordedmundo on March 14, 2022, 06:26:18 PM
Quote from: WolverineFFC on March 06, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
After watching Marco bring Seri back from the castoffs, I have no doubt he could re-integrate FZA back in if needed.

Napoli would be getting a better than fair deal at 15m. Heading for promotion, Fulham hold all the bargaining power now. That was not the case in the summer. To sell him for less than the agreed upon price at this point would be foolish. There is no way they would be able to obtain a superior player for less.

I would personally get rid of Seri as well as Anguissa. The former is too slow and physically weak for the Premier League and the latter has the physical attributes, but literally zero end product.

I'm afraid all this talk of a players transfer value is absolutely pointless, if not a single club has offered even close to that price to buy him. I think we massively overpaid for both players - I would say that Anguissa was worth about £18m when we bought him and Seri about £10m.



I too would get rid of them both. Seri is too lightweight and I don't think his style of play will suit the premiership as he needs too much time on the ball. Anguissa for me has shot himself in the foot refusing to play in the championship and tbh if I never see either of them in a FFC shirt again I wont cry.

The Rational Fan

#93
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter, while Harrison Reed maybe has Watford.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less. Besides, if your unhappy with signing Anguissa, then I am sure you will be disappointed with how the money from his sale is spent. 

FFC1987

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.

Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.

He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.


The Rational Fan

#95
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.

Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.

He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.

If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.

That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players like Anguissa for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.

FFC1987

Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.

Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.

He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.

If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.

That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.

On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.

The Rational Fan

#97
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:49:36 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 14, 2022, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Anguissa doesn't want to play for us in the Championship, while Harrison Reed, Tim Ream and Tom Cairney would refuse to play for us in League One. They are all disloyal, the only difference is Anguissa has Napoli wanting him on loan as a starter.

Anguissa is not less loyal than these other players, just a much better player. Don't confuse disloyalty for knowing your quality and choosing a more difficult assignment. The fact is Anguissa is worth more than £15m, and we would be foolish to sell him for less.

Not that I disagree too much, and its not a loyalty thing for me, but he's been an equal part in our relegation twice. I think he's certainly capable of higher levels of football, but so is Mitrovic, Seri, Wilson, Tosin and Reed to name a few but they stayed and got us straight back up.

He doesn't get a pass on our demise just because he went out on loan and did alright a few times.

If we are prepared to release Anguissa for £15m, then some club will be prepared to pay him £100,000 per week. If we eliminate disloyal players, we only reward the players doing it.

That will reach an important lesson to the players that stayed, Fulham gets rid of disloyal players for low transfer fees and high wages, so basically we reward disloyalty.

On the 15m, have you factored in loan fee's received to deduce that math? As I'm not sure I agree with your point here.

We paid "a loan fee and £11m" for Knockaert; and we are considering selling Anguissa for "a loan fee and £15m", then giving the money to the guy that bought Knockaert. Are you mad?

Surely, we should "keep Anguissa" than "give £15m to Tony Khan to spend".


jayffc

For me its a no-brainer to bring back Anguissa.

The problem with our last premiership season was Parker, hands down imo. We has the talent and he didn't know how to utilize it. Anguissa has performed at a high level for Senegal, Napoli and before that at Villareal. If you can see the difference in the level of performance from the likes of Seri, Kebano and Mitro this season, it would be silly to not give him a chance under Silva and his coaching staff imo. I'd take Frank back in a hearbeat and I think we'd finally get the best out of him.

jayffc

Quote from: Deeping_white on March 14, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
It's very funny how at the start of the season people were trotting out all sorts of excuses as to why Seri should be nowhere near a Fulham team due to past experiences, promptly got proven wrong and went quiet on the matter and are now making the same sort of noises about Anguissa. Not sure if people on here have selective memories but he was the best player for us over the first few months of last season and then his form tailed off, like literally every player in the squad minus Areola. It's also funny how people are so quick to judge without considering that the coach was most likely the issue over recent times rather than any one individual, like the Parker fan club also found out the hard way as the rest of us foretold. Silva knows what he's doing and actually knows how to use a player of Seri's ability for example so it's very likely he'll want someone of Anguissa's skill set in his side. When he had Watford playing so well using a 433, he had Doucoure in a midfield three and Anguissa is a very similar player so I wouldn't be surprised to see him used in such a manner next season.

This

The idea that some are rubbishing a player who when fit and not at the ACN has been starting for Napoli ( who are 2nd in Serie A) is, frankly bonkers to me