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Forest - Just signed their 11th player

Started by Cambridge Away, July 21, 2022, 10:49:52 PM

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Cambridge Away

And Lingard? Wasn't he helping West Ham to almost Champions League football a year ago? How are they they keeping within FFP if they have signed 11 players?
And they signed two Huddersfield players. Which is harsh on Huddersfield, after they were twice robbed by VAR in the play off final

mrmicawbers

Whiff of panic.Mind you one of their new signings has already broke his leg.

wheelerdeeler

The answer to how they're staying within FFP is they got promoted with about 7 contracted players (and Samba left). It's similar to the position we were in when we beat Villa- but they're getting signings in with time to spare- and won't sign 7 players in the last 7 days of the window.

But to be fair they had loads of time to plan compared to what we had, so it's understandable that they've been able to get significantly more business done before we have.


Twig

Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 21, 2022, 11:48:37 PM
The answer to how they're staying within FFP is they got promoted with about 7 contracted players (and Samba left). It's similar to the position we were in when we beat Villa- but they're getting signings in with time to spare- and won't sign 7 players in the last 7 days of the window.

But to be fair they had loads of time to plan compared to what we had, so it's understandable that they've been able to get significantly more business done before we have.

How on this earth do you figure that Forest had "loads of time to plan compared to what we had (sic)?".

wheelerdeeler

Quote from: Twig on July 22, 2022, 12:50:07 AM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 21, 2022, 11:48:37 PM
The answer to how they're staying within FFP is they got promoted with about 7 contracted players (and Samba left). It's similar to the position we were in when we beat Villa- but they're getting signings in with time to spare- and won't sign 7 players in the last 7 days of the window.

But to be fair they had loads of time to plan compared to what we had, so it's understandable that they've been able to get significantly more business done before we have.

How on this earth do you figure that Forest had "loads of time to plan compared to what we had (sic)?".

Sarcasm obviously doesn't translate well

Whitestone

Maybe they have some good people employed to bring in new players. Perhaps our guys could learn from them. Something is very wrong with the way we go about our business. It's no coincidence that it's happening again this window.


hovewhite

Quote from: Whitestone on July 22, 2022, 07:55:15 AM
Maybe they have some good people employed to bring in new players. Perhaps our guys could learn from them. Something is very wrong with the way we go about our business. It's no coincidence that it's happening again this window.
0robably a footbal experienced DOF in conjunction cation with the manager.
Still no guarantee of success though apart from having what looks a competent manager in cooper.

Jimmy Hill

Come on Jessie Lingard for 200k a week is madness.

Jimmy Hill

Let's Judge when the window has closed. Id rather 6btop players than over paying for 11 average players. Hell of gamble from them.


Riversider

Quote from: Jimmy Hill on July 22, 2022, 08:07:48 AM
Come on Jessie Lingard for 200k a week is madness.
If they'd paid £10 million for him and offered him £50k a week would that be a better deal ?

Jimmy Hill

No its Jesse Lingard. 50k a week on a free then maybe.

Whitestone

Quote from: Jimmy Hill on July 22, 2022, 08:07:48 AM
Come on Jessie Lingard for 200k a week is madness.

Is it 200k or is that just media talk ? I've also read that the figure is 115k rising to 150k with bonuses. Either way a lot of money but it's a one season deal which might make the difference for Forest.


The Old Count

Quote from: Jimmy Hill on July 22, 2022, 08:07:48 AM
Come on Jessie Lingard for 200k a week is madness.
Lingarrd is a free agent so £200,000 a week on a three year contract (I don't know the contract length but say 3 years) equates to the equivalent of an 18 million ish fee and 65000 grand a week.  Not too crazy.

We Are Premier League

I don't know much about their finances but I think the answer might get this simple. FFP is counted over a number of season and their net spending has been very low so that put them in a very good starting position. They have slowly spent little to nothing on signings pre this season so they have close to zero amortisation that will hit this seasons FFP. Pretend that their signings have been given 4y contracts, the 80m spend will then be amortised over 4ys and only 20m will count against  this year's FFP.

StuinSalop

Yes, I suspect they were carrying relatively little ongoing cost into this coming season compared to ourselves.  There are reasons why we won the league and one is that we had an expensive side and have spent a lot of money, trying to stay in the Prem and on getting promotion.  It does look like FFP is making us negotiate hard and look for good deals.

Their big challenge will be moulding all these new players into a coherent team.

Our challenge is replacing holes in our team where we don't have premier league players.

The 3 players recruited so far are all starters, 2 fill holes and 1 replaces Fab.  We just now need to fill the left centre back hole, provide cover or improve on right back ( this looks like it's now happening ).  Then it's trying to upgrade elsewhere if we can, it's a much smaller challenge than Forest have.


ALG01

You can never draw direct comparisons between the situation of one club and another as a single snapshot but if you take a longer look.... we are poor at how and when we bring in transfers and good at PR. The best incoming was Mitro and that was down to Slav whoi endlessly railed against the way squad selection was undertaken and as far as I can see not that much has changed. 

I do still wonder about the CEO because making sure things are done properly and in a timely manner must be partly under his remit. We have had way more time than forest and even if I think they may be paying over the odds, at least they are making progress. We are more of the same and look where that has got us before. The opptimism has simply disolved  as we fail to make signings at the right time.  I love marco and he could have been a great long term manager for us but he will go the way of the others being blamed forhaving an inadequate squad.

To the people that say let's wait and see. What else can we do? I am just having to voice my concern again and whilst some people say it's hard to get transfers over the libne, clearly a different law of physics exists in Nottingham because they seem to be able to manage it.


Nero

Quote from: Whitestone on July 22, 2022, 08:17:25 AM
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on July 22, 2022, 08:07:48 AM
Come on Jessie Lingard for 200k a week is madness.

Is it 200k or is that just media talk ? I've also read that the figure is 115k rising to 150k with bonuses. Either way a lot of money but it's a one season deal which might make the difference for Forest.

Sure it more then that, as i pretty sure West Ham would pay him 115K, it will be high wages and a high signing on fee and high agent fee, and is Mr tiktok up for a relegation fight and he got to produce performances 5 times better then the rest of their player son that wage, plus Henderson on loan is probably another 100K a week, to me looks like poop or bust if they don't stay up they will have no money to retain players or build a new team. Theres a world cup coming up and this guy gone for money instead of a team in Europe I expect he will have a lot of niggles this season that will keep him out of games.

Southcoastffc

Quote from: ALG01 on July 22, 2022, 08:51:31 AM
You can never draw direct comparisons between the situation of one club and another as a single snapshot but if you take a longer look.... we are poor at how and when we bring in transfers and good at PR. The best incoming was Mitro and that was down to Slav whoi endlessly railed against the way squad selection was undertaken and as far as I can see not that much has changed. 

I do still wonder about the CEO because making sure things are done properly and in a timely manner must be partly under his remit. We have had way more time than forest and even if I think they may be paying over the odds, at least they are making progress. We are more of the same and look where that has got us before. The opptimism has simply disolved  as we fail to make signings at the right time.  I love marco and he could have been a great long term manager for us but he will go the way of the others being blamed forhaving an inadequate squad.

To the people that say let's wait and see. What else can we do? I am just having to voice my concern again and whilst some people say it's hard to get transfers over the libne, clearly a different law of physics exists in Nottingham because they seem to be able to manage it.


Hang on...... you're forgetting that Mitro came to us at the very last minute of the 11th hour.
The world is made up of electrons, protons, neurons, possibly muons and, definitely, morons.


FFC1987

Quote from: Southcoastffc on July 22, 2022, 09:37:09 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on July 22, 2022, 08:51:31 AM
You can never draw direct comparisons between the situation of one club and another as a single snapshot but if you take a longer look.... we are poor at how and when we bring in transfers and good at PR. The best incoming was Mitro and that was down to Slav whoi endlessly railed against the way squad selection was undertaken and as far as I can see not that much has changed. 

I do still wonder about the CEO because making sure things are done properly and in a timely manner must be partly under his remit. We have had way more time than forest and even if I think they may be paying over the odds, at least they are making progress. We are more of the same and look where that has got us before. The opptimism has simply disolved  as we fail to make signings at the right time.  I love marco and he could have been a great long term manager for us but he will go the way of the others being blamed forhaving an inadequate squad.

To the people that say let's wait and see. What else can we do? I am just having to voice my concern again and whilst some people say it's hard to get transfers over the libne, clearly a different law of physics exists in Nottingham because they seem to be able to manage it.


Hang on...... you're forgetting that Mitro came to us at the very last minute of the 11th hour.

Mitro is the anomaly, not the rule when he comes to why signings earlier, are generally better.

filham

Breaking news. Forrest have signed 11 players and are now said to be putting a bid together for Dennis at Watford.
Interesting to see how it all works out for them but they have certainly got their act together quickly following play off promotion.