Forest - Just signed their 11th player

[RaySmith]

Williams for 17 million is way over the top. If we'd paid that, many on here would be saying "We've had our pants pulled down".

And if Forest are paying Lingard the rumoured weekly wage, they run a huge risk of a) putting the rest of their squad's noses out of joint and b) being in deep, deep sh*t should they get relegated.

Sure, it would be good to have made more signings by now, but the assumption that the club is incompetent / not trying / being mean, is just that, an assumption.

The last two season's signings have been mostly good. The likes of Areola, Anderson etc. were top class. That squad was good enough to stay in the Prem. The same team that made those signings is, I presume, still the same team working hard to make signings now, plus having a better manager in Marco.

Most signings are made late in the window because that's when players and agents hold out to see what the best offer is.

If we signed Williams and he helped us stay up, it would be worth it though, but now we've got another fb in it sems - may be a better buy, and did seem an over the top price for Neco.

But agree with you that we shouldn't make assumptions about the transfer negotiating team being incompetent or whatever - that's what I was trying to say in my post.

I feel that we will start the season with a strong looking team. If we begin well, and, importantly, stay up, then Silva,  and the transfer team will be seen as geniuses.

[ffcthereligion]

We didn't pay that much for Williams because we're not going to play with wing backs whereas forest are and they knew they were losing spence. It's very simple. A right back is a different role

[fulhamfever]

11 new players and 5 subs allowed they defo getting a squad in depth together

[Motspur Park]

Who said 'everything is brilliant'? Surely it's entirely possible to have various opinions that are non-binary?

You can hold any opinion you want because that makes it opinion.

However, and as you know, a select few posters always, and i mean always,defend the club and any of its actions/inactions no matter what. If i and others voice real concern because things are completely wrong and running counter to the expectation raised by the owner and his PR team, i dislike being told black is white, or even being lured into circular argument. 

The club transfer policy is poor , the ffp issue is a result of that policy, the inability to sign players in a timely manner shows a level of amateurism and i fear another opportunity will be wasted and a top class manger will slip through our fingers, again.

But you are entitled to your opinion.

But i alwatys return to my favourite theme, i want the best for the club, i don't  love the individuals, when i read many other supporters posts i don't  think the same is true... not speaking up and saying our off field performance is poor, is doing the club a mega diservice.

How can EVERYTHING be wrong? We were promoted at a canter and were champions. We have made 2 quality signings and one that may prove to be astute or may be a dud.... Who knows? We have other quality players to come in if negotiations can be concluded. We have let players go who were not part of future plans. Get some perspective..... we had around 15 years hanging around the bottom of the pro divisions. Things are not perfect but everything is not wrong.

[Tooting legend]

What they are doing is a fulham of 18/19 season.

[rebel]

Everything to do with transfers is taking much longer then it should, no doubt has a 'tick box' thing going on, no doubt Khan Junior looks through the Medical Reports too

[Somerset Fulham]

Pure supposition on your part there and even if he did look over medical reports, whats the problem with that?

[Nero]

Pure supposition on your part there and even if he did look over medical reports, whats the problem with that?

I mean why would we want to carry out due diligence when spending several millions of pounds, money grows on trees dont you know 

[FFC1987]

Of all the complaints to have over clearly delayed transfers  :022:

Low hanging fruit though to try and justify it all gents. It's been a poor window thus far.

[Bassey the warrior]

Everything to do with transfers is taking much longer then it should, no doubt has a 'tick box' thing going on, no doubt Khan Junior looks through the Medical Reports too

Or we are tight for cash and trying to get the best deal we can?

[Ss12white]

Couldn't care less what Forrest are doing, how many signings they make.
We had better players to start with, panic buying won't help them.
11 new players will cause issues, takes a while to gel.

[ALG01]

Who said 'everything is brilliant'? Surely it's entirely possible to have various opinions that are non-binary?

You can hold any opinion you want because that makes it opinion.

However, and as you know, a select few posters always, and i mean always,defend the club and any of its actions/inactions no matter what. If i and others voice real concern because things are completely wrong and running counter to the expectation raised by the owner and his PR team, i dislike being told black is white, or even being lured into circular argument. 

The club transfer policy is poor , the ffp issue is a result of that policy, the inability to sign players in a timely manner shows a level of amateurism and i fear another opportunity will be wasted and a top class manger will slip through our fingers, again.

But you are entitled to your opinion.

But i alwatys return to my favourite theme, i want the best for the club, i don't  love the individuals, when i read many other supporters posts i don't  think the same is true... not speaking up and saying our off field performance is poor, is doing the club a mega diservice.

How can EVERYTHING be wrong? We were promoted at a canter and were champions. We have made 2 quality signings and one that may prove to be astute or may be a dud.... Who knows? We have other quality players to come in if negotiations can be concluded. We have let players go who were not part of future plans. Get some perspective..... we had around 15 years hanging around the bottom of the pro divisions. Things are not perfect but everything is not wrong.

I didn't say everything is wrong but our transfer policy over the recent seasons is surely very poor in the years we have been promoted, and even the years we weren't and I sight previous managers comments.

We were expecting lessons to have been learned by now  but clearly that is not the case. we all know we needed to have more of a squad in place. By now two confiremd players is alarming and not what the owner suggested would be happening.

my perspective is wanting us to improve and survive. I see no evidence that this management knows how to get this done.

[Motspur Park]

You said things are 'completely wrong' so by definition you were saying everything is wrong.

[toshes mate]

I didn't say everything is wrong but our transfer policy over the recent seasons is surely very poor in the years we have been promoted, and even the years we weren't and I sight previous managers comments.

Managers?  Since Khan Jnr took over only Jokanovic openly criticised recruitment by saying he had been told it wasn't his job!  Parker was involved (according to him and TK) and Marco Silva is presumed to be involved because Khan Snr wouldn't have it any other way.  That leaves Ranieri who thought Khan Jnr had done well and the team was 'good enough'.  Is it any wonder people question your comments?

[filham]

Just two weeks to go to the start of the season and it looks as if we have only Tosin and Ream to fill the two center back positions, that seems a huge risk. Silva needs to wrap these two players in cotton wool as a minor injury to either of them right now would be a disaster for us.

However , I am pleased that we are not splashing cash wildly on players and are resisting some of the crazy wage demands, we have in recent times made some bad expensive buys.

I hope we can find a good center back soon but even then it will not be the time to judge whether or not we have had a good window. Lets make that judgement at Christmas when we see how the new players perform and where we are in the table.

[clarkey]

Snibbo you are entirely right in what you say, but the whole point is that good transfer windows are achieved by being ahead of the curve. Look at the squad Leicester put together under the noses of the big boys. Shrewd scouting, excellent contacts and following a plan, putting a squad together made up of some real talent.Those signings of Anderson and Areola were great but far too late.

We had a better opportunity this season to really put together a young, exciting squad, with a combination of players Silva knew from Portugal (especially youngsters) and some tried and tested veterans on their way down but full of Prem experience.Like Mee or a number of others.

Football is an easy industry to assess how well your club are performing, because it is an extremely public and well covered industry.However hard they have tried at this stage the results are there in b and w. We have signed three players. One of whom is not very good from Utd, one is not proven in the Prem and one looks like a good player.

I am just disappointed, and I think all true fans would feel the same.We have not done well this window. I was expecting an influx closer to Forest's number of incoming players or at least six or seven.

I bet the Forest fans feel excited with their signings.We have a good CDM but then we let a decent one go. We have not cleared out all the dead wood and we have not strengthened the main areas that need help. We are not playing the friendlies with our new players in place.

It is same as before. Shame.Don't tell me you don't look every day at the transfer talk, and see Fulham notable by their absence and question what on earth is going on ? Or at least Why ?  Be good to have a proper explanation from the Club at some stage, what the aim was and what the reality is. But that won't happen.

Let's hope we do not get any injuries early on to Tosin , Wilson or Mitro.

[rebel]

Pure supposition on your part there and even if he did look over medical reports, whats the problem with that?

Everything is wrong with that, there's something called 'division of labour', what's the point of having other people in their specialties, it's not like he can give a second opinion is it. He needs limited information that the player has passed his medical.

Actually maybe he does need to know a lot more, if the player has an injury, he can get a few million knocked off. Yeah, we recruit another injured player. 

[rebel]

Pure supposition on your part there and even if he did look over medical reports, whats the problem with that?

I mean why would we want to carry out due diligence when spending several millions of pounds, money grows on trees dont you know 

I didn't say anything about not carrying out due diligence (medicals / history), I'm just saying that he shouldn't be overly involved in the transfers process.

[Sting of the North]

Pure supposition on your part there and even if he did look over medical reports, whats the problem with that?

I mean why would we want to carry out due diligence when spending several millions of pounds, money grows on trees dont you know 

I didn't say anything about not carrying out due diligence (medicals / history), I'm just saying that he shouldn't be overly involved in the transfers process.

But you don't know his level of involvement do you? Do you have any hints or evidence that he spends any significant amount looking over medical reports, for example? Otherwise, there may as well be entirely different reasons for the alleged problems?

[FFC1987]

Pure supposition on your part there and even if he did look over medical reports, whats the problem with that?

I mean why would we want to carry out due diligence when spending several millions of pounds, money grows on trees dont you know 

I didn't say anything about not carrying out due diligence (medicals / history), I'm just saying that he shouldn't be overly involved in the transfers process.

But you don't know his level of involvement do you? Do you have any hints or evidence that he spends any significant amount looking over medical reports, for example? Otherwise, there may as well be entirely different reasons for the alleged problems?

I'd say its safe to assume based on his twitter output, and statements from the chairmen in the past, that he plays a significant role in transfers. I'm not suggesting he looks through the medical notes, I very much doubt he does, but I absolutely think TK has a lot to answer for and has himself placed said blame on himself for not getting stuff done as quickly as has previously been needed.

Hard to not accept from his own words of conformation that he's central to transfers and plays a pivotal role in them.