Wilson and Solomon Injuries

[Tabby]

He didn't get injured in a tackle, so it might as well have happened during a training session.

[Blawarmy]

I see Mackintosh is dithering getting replacements in.

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[FFC1987]

Well I guess Silva didn't think it was meaningless and it was needed. He came on for what 20 minutes on Saturday, hardly a good run out.

If he done on the training pitch we would be saying  that's just bad luck.

I guess so, and now he's injured for 3 months. I'd hazard a guess at the very least, Silva will be questioning whether it was worth it now. Maybe not but I think if I was a manager or coach, with cup games coming up and he's already shown with what little he did play that he'd likely be a big impact player for us, I'd be kicking myself for letting it occur. Yes, could of happened at training, but usually players get the day off after being in a match day squad, even the guys who are unused subs, so it's not like us pointing this out is wrong or needlessly criticising. Injuries are a part of the game but at the least you can see you heighten odds by playing in games like this.

[Deeping_white]

I see Mackintosh is dithering getting replacements in.

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A) You have no idea what's going on, B) Any player who comes in does so knowing they're only guaranteed a start for two months until our best wingers start returning from injury and so it makes it harder to convince anyone of decent quality to join knowing they're a stop-gap, C) This is an un-planned transfer requirement so they can't just go "F*ck it" lets drop £10m+ on someone based on my previous point because you'd have to convince them to join and also the fact it eats into the budget that was clearly set out at this point to give us depth in CM and a centre forward/utility forward, that now requires some backup planning to give Silva the squad he wants

[Hatch007]

I see Mackintosh is dithering getting replacements in.

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Based on what, exactly?

[Bokonon]

He didn't get injured in a tackle, so it might as well have happened during a training session.

Exactly. By all published accounts, it was a non-contact injury.

[MickTheBeard]

If you see how small he is,will his body take the riggers of premier league football,which concerns me more.It might be a blessing hes only a loan at the moment.

[Hatch007]

Fulham's Manor Solomon sidelined until after World Cup following knee surgery

By Peter Rutzler
Aug 15, 2022

Fulham winger Manor Solomon is unlikely to feature for his new club again until after the World Cup, The Athletic understands.

The Israel international confirmed on Monday that he had undergone surgery after suffering a knee injury in a behind-closed-doors match last week, and that he will now miss the 'next few months'. It is understood that he will be out for around three months, which means he is unlikely to feature for Marco Silva's side until after this winter's World Cup in Qatar.

The World Cup begins on November 20, with Fulham's final Premier League match before the mid-season break taking place on November 12, against Manchester United. The top flight resumes on Boxing Day (December 26).

Solomon said on Twitter: "The last few days have been difficult for me. I injured my knee in a friendly game which caused me to have a surgery and miss the next few months.

"Thank you for your messages and support, I'll be back stronger and better, see you soon."

The unfortunate injury blow leaves Fulham without two key attacking players in wide areas. Harry Wilson is also sidelined with a longer term knee injury, although the Wales international is expected to return before Solomon and in time for the World Cup.

Fulham are in the market for a forward player, with Marco Silva stating after Saturday's 0-0 draw with Wolves that the team "need another midfielder, as well as another player for the attack line".

"We have to have more solutions to compete and I hope that we can do it (before) the end of the market, because we need it," he said.

Solomon is a new signing at Craven Cottage, having officially arrived from Shakhtar Donetsk on a temporary one-year deal earlier this month. He made his Premier League debut from the bench against Liverpool, before suffering a knee injury last Sunday.

[toshes mate]

Well I guess Silva didn't think it was meaningless and it was needed. He came on for what 20 minutes on Saturday, hardly a good run out.

If he done on the training pitch we would be saying  that's just bad luck.

I guess so, and now he's injured for 3 months. I'd hazard a guess at the very least, Silva will be questioning whether it was worth it now. Maybe not but I think if I was a manager or coach, with cup games coming up and he's already shown with what little he did play that he'd likely be a big impact player for us, I'd be kicking myself for letting it occur. Yes, could of happened at training, but usually players get the day off after being in a match day squad, even the guys who are unused subs, so it's not like us pointing this out is wrong or needlessly criticising. Injuries are a part of the game but at the least you can see you heighten odds by playing in games like this.

I know it's a hard concept for us to understand but injuries are entirely random in life.  Correlation is not proof of causation.

Some vehicle drivers manage a whole lifetime covering many thousands of miles without ever having even the slightest accident.  Other drivers have really serious accidents and never have the chance to drive again. 

Sometimes we injure ourselves just moving awkwardly and sometimes that injury doesn't show up until we do something else that stresses the area concerned. 

It's sad for both players and the Club but such is life.

There is a risk in everything we do even if we did nothing at all. 

[FFC1987]

Well I guess Silva didn't think it was meaningless and it was needed. He came on for what 20 minutes on Saturday, hardly a good run out.

If he done on the training pitch we would be saying  that's just bad luck.

I guess so, and now he's injured for 3 months. I'd hazard a guess at the very least, Silva will be questioning whether it was worth it now. Maybe not but I think if I was a manager or coach, with cup games coming up and he's already shown with what little he did play that he'd likely be a big impact player for us, I'd be kicking myself for letting it occur. Yes, could of happened at training, but usually players get the day off after being in a match day squad, even the guys who are unused subs, so it's not like us pointing this out is wrong or needlessly criticising. Injuries are a part of the game but at the least you can see you heighten odds by playing in games like this.

I know it's a hard concept for us to understand but injuries are entirely random in life.  Correlation is not proof of causation.

Some vehicle drivers manage a whole lifetime covering many thousands of miles without ever having even the slightest accident.  Other drivers have really serious accidents and never have the chance to drive again. 

Sometimes we injure ourselves just moving awkwardly and sometimes that injury doesn't show up until we do something else that stresses the area concerned. 

It's sad for both players and the Club but such is life.

There is a risk in everything we do even if we did nothing at all.

I do agree with you to an extent. But odds are, more you're on the road/pitch, higher the probability of injury/accident. The smoking analogy comes up here too. 'I know people who smoked all their lives and didn't have anything to worry about', well, the stats for that don't hold up. Same with this really. Some players are blessed without injury and lots of playing time, some, far less fortunate for a variety of reasons but the main thing here is, why was a player part of two match day squads in two days. I reached out further to my old academy group, some still coaches with various clubs (youth academies) and not one has said the club allows this so I'm still, astonished Fulham did it.

[toshes mate]

Well I guess Silva didn't think it was meaningless and it was needed. He came on for what 20 minutes on Saturday, hardly a good run out.

If he done on the training pitch we would be saying  that's just bad luck.

I guess so, and now he's injured for 3 months. I'd hazard a guess at the very least, Silva will be questioning whether it was worth it now. Maybe not but I think if I was a manager or coach, with cup games coming up and he's already shown with what little he did play that he'd likely be a big impact player for us, I'd be kicking myself for letting it occur. Yes, could of happened at training, but usually players get the day off after being in a match day squad, even the guys who are unused subs, so it's not like us pointing this out is wrong or needlessly criticising. Injuries are a part of the game but at the least you can see you heighten odds by playing in games like this.

I know it's a hard concept for us to understand but injuries are entirely random in life.  Correlation is not proof of causation.

Some vehicle drivers manage a whole lifetime covering many thousands of miles without ever having even the slightest accident.  Other drivers have really serious accidents and never have the chance to drive again. 

Sometimes we injure ourselves just moving awkwardly and sometimes that injury doesn't show up until we do something else that stresses the area concerned. 

It's sad for both players and the Club but such is life.

There is a risk in everything we do even if we did nothing at all.

I do agree with you to an extent. But odds are, more you're on the road/pitch, higher the probability of injury/accident. The smoking analogy comes up here too. 'I know people who smoked all their lives and didn't have anything to worry about', well, the stats for that don't hold up. Same with this really. Some players are blessed without injury and lots of playing time, some, far less fortunate for a variety of reasons but the main thing here is, why was a player part of two match day squads in two days. I reached out further to my old academy group, some still coaches with various clubs (youth academies) and not one has said the club allows this so I'm still, astonished Fulham did it.

I know it's hard to understand but the highlighted remark about 'odds' is simply untrue and this has been proven many, many times scientifically.  The problem is randomness and the fact it has no regard to or memory of the past.   Probability measures risk between uncertainty and certainty but doesn't account for randomness simply because we have absolutely no way of introducing it in any secure mathematical way.  Randomness is a product of infinity which isn't bounded by certainty or uncertainty - it just happens when it feels like happening.   That is why humans are hopeless at predictions - we either get lucky or not as the case may be- but we do love to believe we are somehow in control ...

[FFC1987]

Well I guess Silva didn't think it was meaningless and it was needed. He came on for what 20 minutes on Saturday, hardly a good run out.

If he done on the training pitch we would be saying  that's just bad luck.

I guess so, and now he's injured for 3 months. I'd hazard a guess at the very least, Silva will be questioning whether it was worth it now. Maybe not but I think if I was a manager or coach, with cup games coming up and he's already shown with what little he did play that he'd likely be a big impact player for us, I'd be kicking myself for letting it occur. Yes, could of happened at training, but usually players get the day off after being in a match day squad, even the guys who are unused subs, so it's not like us pointing this out is wrong or needlessly criticising. Injuries are a part of the game but at the least you can see you heighten odds by playing in games like this.

I know it's a hard concept for us to understand but injuries are entirely random in life.  Correlation is not proof of causation.

Some vehicle drivers manage a whole lifetime covering many thousands of miles without ever having even the slightest accident.  Other drivers have really serious accidents and never have the chance to drive again. 

Sometimes we injure ourselves just moving awkwardly and sometimes that injury doesn't show up until we do something else that stresses the area concerned. 

It's sad for both players and the Club but such is life.

There is a risk in everything we do even if we did nothing at all.

I do agree with you to an extent. But odds are, more you're on the road/pitch, higher the probability of injury/accident. The smoking analogy comes up here too. 'I know people who smoked all their lives and didn't have anything to worry about', well, the stats for that don't hold up. Same with this really. Some players are blessed without injury and lots of playing time, some, far less fortunate for a variety of reasons but the main thing here is, why was a player part of two match day squads in two days. I reached out further to my old academy group, some still coaches with various clubs (youth academies) and not one has said the club allows this so I'm still, astonished Fulham did it.

I know it's hard to understand but the highlighted remark about 'odds' is simply untrue and this has been proven many, many times scientifically.  The problem is randomness and the fact it has no regard to or memory of the past.   Probability measures risk between uncertainty and certainty but doesn't account for randomness simply because we have absolutely no way of introducing it in any secure mathematical way.  Randomness is a product of infinity which isn't bounded by certainty or uncertainty - it just happens when it feels like happening.   That is why humans are hopeless at predictions - we either get lucky or not as the case may be- but we do love to believe we are somehow in control ...

Won't clog this up, but all peer reviewed papers I've seen would suggest the more and longer a player plays on a pitch, the higher his level of injury to occur is. What that injury is, and how it occurs is random, and pending muscle rehab methods/periods factor, but its just wrong to think this isn't the case. hence why they put in rules to mitigate this.

[Fernhurst]

Really really FULHAMISH this happens to us before the season is up and running. A fully fit squad is essential for our survival and given that, I would fancy our chances to surprise everyone. So unfortunate. Let's hope Neeskans and BDR can continue to perform well and save us until Solomon and Wilson return.

COYLW

[LRCN]

It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).

The only reason people are annoyed is because he got injured, obviously. But marginal rsk of injury is not a reason to get players  up to match fitness in order for them to make a bigger impact more quickly, or indeed reduce chances of injury when physical intensity is raised in actual games

It's crap but injuries happen, and new signings are no less liable to this. Just look at the new cbs at villa and w ham.

[FFC1987]

It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).

The only reason people are annoyed is because he got injured, obviously. But marginal rsk of injury is not a reason to get players  up to match fitness in order for them to make a bigger impact more quickly, or indeed reduce chances of injury when physical intensity is raised in actual games

It's crap but injuries happen, and new signings are no less liable to this. Just look at the new cbs at villa and w ham.

'It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).'

The point here, isn't anger, it's understanding. And that sentence is incorrect. It's not standard practice to be in two match day squads in 2 days. It's the opposite at pretty much every club that players aren't in two match day squads, hence the understanding part is where the frustration is at.

[RaySmith]

It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).

The only reason people are annoyed is because he got injured, obviously. But marginal rsk of injury is not a reason to get players  up to match fitness in order for them to make a bigger impact more quickly, or indeed reduce chances of injury when physical intensity is raised in actual games

It's crap but injuries happen, and new signings are no less liable to this. Just look at the new cbs at villa and w ham.

'It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).'

The point here, isn't anger, it's understanding. And that sentence is incorrect. It's not standard practice to be in two match day squads in 2 days. It's the opposite at pretty much every club that players aren't in two match day squads, hence the understanding part is where the frustration is at.

He didn't play a full game on the Saturday, then took part in a friendly - a non-competitive game, only there to give an opportunity for players to get up to match fitness.

I can't believe that Fulham don't have training staff fully versed in the physiology of player fitness, and they made the decision that playing in this non -competitive game was the best thing to get him up to fitness safely.

This seems like a freak injury, but these things happen - you can get an injury just going for a jog - stumble over something, even a slight rise in the ground, twist an ankle or a knee.

It's just bad luck, one of those things. Players get injured during pre-game warm-ups.

[MayoDomo]

I was positioned funny and strained my hamstring while sleeping, should I not go to bed anymore?

[Lighthouse]

 The late great Roger Brown was injured in his very first game for us playing against Chelsea. He went on to be quite good.

Life is not great sometimes. But both Solomon and Fulham will persevere.

[Jim©]

It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).

The only reason people are annoyed is because he got injured, obviously. But marginal rsk of injury is not a reason to get players  up to match fitness in order for them to make a bigger impact more quickly, or indeed reduce chances of injury when physical intensity is raised in actual games

It's crap but injuries happen, and new signings are no less liable to this. Just look at the new cbs at villa and w ham.

'It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).'

The point here, isn't anger, it's understanding. And that sentence is incorrect. It's not standard practice to be in two match day squads in 2 days. It's the opposite at pretty much every club that players aren't in two match day squads, hence the understanding part is where the frustration is at.

I can only imagine that a professional athlete that plays for 20 minutes or so one day will be more than capable of playing in a friendly game the following day (who knows but very likely that he wouldn't have played the full 90 second time around). Look at the friendlies we played in Portugal.
After all, they train day in, day out to differing levels of intensity. It's all about conditioning and believe it or not, luck.

[LRCN]

It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).

The only reason people are annoyed is because he got injured, obviously. But marginal rsk of injury is not a reason to get players  up to match fitness in order for them to make a bigger impact more quickly, or indeed reduce chances of injury when physical intensity is raised in actual games

It's crap but injuries happen, and new signings are no less liable to this. Just look at the new cbs at villa and w ham.

'It's a bit weird all this anger at what is standard practice (letting a guy who hadn't played much football for weeks to play football games to generate match fitness and sharpness).'

The point here, isn't anger, it's understanding. And that sentence is incorrect. It's not standard practice to be in two match day squads in 2 days. It's the opposite at pretty much every club that players aren't in two match day squads, hence the understanding part is where the frustration is at.

That is incorrect I am afraid. For example: villareals back to back friendlies against ourselves and Southampton. Another example might be Chilwell who was on the bench on Sunday and playing vs our reserves on Monday.