Away Fans

[Ludlow Richard]

Someone suggested that there were more fans in the Liverpool section of the ground last night than there should have been (with the inference that some of their fans managed to get into the ground without tickets or with fake tickets).  Any evidence for that?

[filham]

Someone suggested that there were more fans in the Liverpool section of the ground last night than there should have been (with the inference that some of their fans managed to get into the ground without tickets or with fake tickets).  Any evidence for that?

If so where did they place their bottoms for a couple of hours with all seats being sold.

[StuinSalop]

They all stood and filled the isles. Typical Liverpool breaking all the rules.

[EN1 FFC]

Someone suggested that there were more fans in the Liverpool section of the ground last night than there should have been (with the inference that some of their fans managed to get into the ground without tickets or with fake tickets).  Any evidence for that?

I suspect it was because the gangways seemed to be full as well. I was told that there were Police waiting inside the ground at the Putney Turnstile to arrest Fans suspected with forgeries.
Liverpool fans are notorious for creating overcrowding in lots of grounds, more fool them with their history of problems with crowds and flares.

[Lewes White]

Always the victims...it's never your fault...

[Redfred]

Someone suggested that there were more fans in the Liverpool section of the ground last night than there should have been (with the inference that some of their fans managed to get into the ground without tickets or with fake tickets).  Any evidence for that?

I suspect it was because the gangways seemed to be full as well. I was told that there were Police waiting inside the ground at the Putney Turnstile to arrest Fans suspected with forgeries.
Liverpool fans are notorious for creating overcrowding in lots of grounds, more fool them with their history of problems with crowds and flares.

Always the victims...it's never your fault...

Wow, sore losers or what!
As a Liverpool fan I expect insults regarding tragedies from the likes of your neighbours Chelsea.
Silly accusations like this are the reason it took 30 years to get justice for Hillsborough. I find it pretty odd you suggest our fans had forged tickets and jumped the turnstiles when you have another thread on here describing the chaos at the turnstiles behind your OWN ends.
Fans stand in the aisles at away games for several reasons. They want to be near their mates, they want easy access to the toilet or snack bars, they want to get out quick at the end, their seats have obstructed views.
It happens with different fans all over the country but you pair can't wait to get your tragedy digs in.
I'm surprised the mods haven't deleted this rubbish. You're an embarrassment to Fulham fans

[South Coast White]

REDFRED

I refer you back to LEWIS WHITE Post.

[Yorkie_FFC]

Someone suggested that there were more fans in the Liverpool section of the ground last night than there should have been (with the inference that some of their fans managed to get into the ground without tickets or with fake tickets).  Any evidence for that?

I suspect it was because the gangways seemed to be full as well. I was told that there were Police waiting inside the ground at the Putney Turnstile to arrest Fans suspected with forgeries.
Liverpool fans are notorious for creating overcrowding in lots of grounds, more fool them with their history of problems with crowds and flares.

Always the victims...it's never your fault...

Wow, sore losers or what!
As a Liverpool fan I expect insults regarding tragedies from the likes of your neighbours Chelsea.
Silly accusations like this are the reason it took 30 years to get justice for Hillsborough. I find it pretty odd you suggest our fans had forged tickets and jumped the turnstiles when you have another thread on here describing the chaos at the turnstiles behind your OWN ends.
Fans stand in the aisles at away games for several reasons. They want to be near their mates, they want easy access to the toilet or snack bars, they want to get out quick at the end, their seats have obstructed views.
It happens with different fans all over the country but you pair can't wait to get your tragedy digs in.
I'm surprised the mods haven't deleted this rubbish. You're an embarrassment to Fulham fans

Although I agree with what you are saying regarding football related tragedies and to be fair its more than a low blow mentioning Hillsborough. The fact of the matter is if you purchase a seat you should sit in it unless you are free to roam or it says sit on the steps. Ultimately the all seater grounds and no fencing came into place on the back of the Hillsborough disaster and Bradford City Stadium fires. Absolutely no need for flares/pyros in any form for a start and when you add overcrowding to a particular area you start to go against the principal "lessons learnt". I still believe South Yorkshire Police had a big hand in what happened that day however it was a multiple of failures/factors and events that happened, avoided now by taking your allocated seat.

[Redfred]

Someone suggested that there were more fans in the Liverpool section of the ground last night than there should have been (with the inference that some of their fans managed to get into the ground without tickets or with fake tickets).  Any evidence for that?

I suspect it was because the gangways seemed to be full as well. I was told that there were Police waiting inside the ground at the Putney Turnstile to arrest Fans suspected with forgeries.
Liverpool fans are notorious for creating overcrowding in lots of grounds, more fool them with their history of problems with crowds and flares.

Always the victims...it's never your fault...

Wow, sore losers or what!
As a Liverpool fan I expect insults regarding tragedies from the likes of your neighbours Chelsea.
Silly accusations like this are the reason it took 30 years to get justice for Hillsborough. I find it pretty odd you suggest our fans had forged tickets and jumped the turnstiles when you have another thread on here describing the chaos at the turnstiles behind your OWN ends.
Fans stand in the aisles at away games for several reasons. They want to be near their mates, they want easy access to the toilet or snack bars, they want to get out quick at the end, their seats have obstructed views.
It happens with different fans all over the country but you pair can't wait to get your tragedy digs in.
I'm surprised the mods haven't deleted this rubbish. You're an embarrassment to Fulham fans

Although I agree with what you are saying regarding football related tragedies and to be fair its more than a low blow mentioning Hillsborough. The fact of the matter is if you purchase a seat you should sit in it unless you are free to roam or it says sit on the steps. Ultimately the all seater grounds and no fencing came into place on the back of the Hillsborough disaster and Bradford City Stadium fires. Absolutely no need for flares/pyros in any form for a start and when you add overcrowding to a particular area you start to go against the principal "lessons learnt". I still believe South Yorkshire Police had a big hand in what happened that day however it was a multiple of failures/factors and events that happened, avoided now by taking your allocated seat.

Someone suggested that there were more fans in the Liverpool section of the ground last night than there should have been (with the inference that some of their fans managed to get into the ground without tickets or with fake tickets).  Any evidence for that?

I suspect it was because the gangways seemed to be full as well. I was told that there were Police waiting inside the ground at the Putney Turnstile to arrest Fans suspected with forgeries.
Liverpool fans are notorious for creating overcrowding in lots of grounds, more fool them with their history of problems with crowds and flares.

Always the victims...it's never your fault...

Wow, sore losers or what!
As a Liverpool fan I expect insults regarding tragedies from the likes of your neighbours Chelsea.
Silly accusations like this are the reason it took 30 years to get justice for Hillsborough. I find it pretty odd you suggest our fans had forged tickets and jumped the turnstiles when you have another thread on here describing the chaos at the turnstiles behind your OWN ends.
Fans stand in the aisles at away games for several reasons. They want to be near their mates, they want easy access to the toilet or snack bars, they want to get out quick at the end, their seats have obstructed views.
It happens with different fans all over the country but you pair can't wait to get your tragedy digs in.
I'm surprised the mods haven't deleted this rubbish. You're an embarrassment to Fulham fans

Although I agree with what you are saying regarding football related tragedies and to be fair its more than a low blow mentioning Hillsborough. The fact of the matter is if you purchase a seat you should sit in it unless you are free to roam or it says sit on the steps. Ultimately the all seater grounds and no fencing came into place on the back of the Hillsborough disaster and Bradford City Stadium fires. Absolutely no need for flares/pyros in any form for a start and when you add overcrowding to a particular area you start to go against the principal "lessons learnt". I still believe South Yorkshire Police had a big hand in what happened that day however it was a multiple of failures/factors and events that happened, avoided now by taking your allocated seat.

I agree fans should be in their allocated seat. I normally always get aisle seats and half of the away games I go to I have fans blocking the aisle next to me. Not everyone is perfectly behaved and the stewards should be sorting it out.
My problem with the other post was the links to Hillsborough and inferring fans had either jumped the turnstiles or had fake tickets. You know, the usual lies we have to put up with

[RAY Rock]

I suppose in your eyes Liverpool are blameless in everything that has ever happened in football . I have seen first hand what some Liverpool fans are like and they are not nice not going to go into details but they are one of my most detested clubs.

[Redfred]

I suppose in your eyes Liverpool are blameless in everything that has ever happened in football . I have seen first hand what some Liverpool fans are like and they are not nice not going to go into details but they are one of my most detested clubs.

I'll give you time to make something up.
 

[Ludlow Richard]

I suppose in your eyes Liverpool are blameless in everything that has ever happened in football . I have seen first hand what some Liverpool fans are like and they are not nice not going to go into details but they are one of my most detested clubs.

I'll give you time to make something up.
 

Explain the use of flares by your fellow fans. Do you think flares are a "good thing" (although their use in grounds is illegal)? Or do you think they are a major H&S risk?

[HarryBayles]

For me the biggest surprise (maybe I shouldn't be) was the amount of kids in the Putney end wearing Liverpool  shirts and with signs asking Liverpool players for shirts. Then after the first goal they tried to get in the Liverpool end. They were kids, knew no better but what world are their parents from? If they'd got in the away end and there had been a crush, who would have been blamed? Such a strange way for any parent to act let alone ones of a club with the history that Liverpool have. Of course it's hard to say anything because you get accused of bashing Liverpool.

[Ludlow Richard]

I suppose in your eyes Liverpool are blameless in everything that has ever happened in football . I have seen first hand what some Liverpool fans are like and they are not nice not going to go into details but they are one of my most detested clubs.

I'll give you time to make something up.
 

Explain the use of flares by your fellow fans. Do you think flares are a "good thing" (although their use in grounds is illegal)? Or do you think they are a major H&S risk?

and perhaps you could also explain the attack on the Man City bus?

[Brawn]

For me the biggest surprise (maybe I shouldn't be) was the amount of kids in the Putney end wearing Liverpool  shirts and with signs asking Liverpool players for shirts. Then after the first goal they tried to get in the Liverpool end. They were kids, knew no better but what world are their parents from? If they'd got in the away end and there had been a crush, who would have been blamed? Such a strange way for any parent to act let alone ones of a club with the history that Liverpool have. Of course it's hard to say anything because you get accused of bashing Liverpool.

And further to this, I am sure I spotted at least three kids in the Riverside with those incredibly silly "can I have your shirt" cardboard signs and a Bulgarian flag.

[Somerset Fulham]

I presume that all of these children had tickets, even if for the wrong end? If so then it's hardly crime of the century is it?

I would also be amazed if anybody found a way to bunk in these days. How would one do that?

[HarryBayles]

I presume that all of these children had tickets, even if for the wrong end? If so then it's hardly crime of the century is it?

I would also be amazed if anybody found a way to bunk in these days. How would one do that?

Not sure if this a reply to me but a crime, I doubt it but surely the parents should have some respect and say cover up Liverpool shirts. Whatever your view on that, the fact that they then clearly tried to get in the sold out away end, which would mean more fans in the area than is safe, is to me shocking. If there had been a crush and injuries or death then it would have been blamed on Fulham, not those Liverpool fans who frankly really should know better.

[ScalleysDad]

Fans standing in the away end of the Putney End has been going on for years. Stewards seem powerless to do anything about it even though if I stood up four blocks along I would have my collar felt. I have seen the away fans being quite organised in that those wanting to sit shuffle to the front. I have seen fans in P1,2 and 3 drift along the concourse to join their mates unchallenged and I guess that's when encroachment into the aisles starts. It really is old news but it does bug me that in standing away fans can create quite an atmosphere even if tucked away in the corner.

[RaySmith]

I presume that all of these children had tickets, even if for the wrong end? If so then it's hardly crime of the century is it?

I would also be amazed if anybody found a way to bunk in these days. How would one do that?

Not sure if this a reply to me but a crime, I doubt it but surely the parents should have some respect and say cover up Liverpool shirts. Whatever your view on that, the fact that they then clearly tried to get in the sold out away end, which would mean more fans in the area than is safe, is to me shocking. If there had been a crush and injuries or death then it would have been blamed on Fulham, not those Liverpool fans who frankly really should know better.

But there was no way fans who didn't have ticketed seats could have got into the away end, unlike in the old days of standing terracing, when fans were often packed in like sardines for big games - I remember seeing the Spurs Double winning team in the 60's, and couldn't get through to my normal  position on the Riverside  terracing, and was stuck in the Putney End, unable to move.

Obvious safety  threats in this period, especially leaving the ground, with hundreds  going  down the terracing steps, especially scary for a youngster, as i was.

The Ibrox disaster was  one that happened  through this, and there was one, with nothing done about it, then another far more serious a couple of years later, in 1971, with 66 deaths.

Hillsborough, another, with attempts to pack fans into a standing area through a single entry,  with  large barriers in front of the pitch, to stop fans running on - fans publicly cleared of any blame in this tragedy, and which led to the introduction of all - seater stadiums.

Far more safe to watch football today, with all games all ticket, with each spectator requiring a ticket.

[Twig]

Stewarding at football grounds has been weak for decades. It's often nothing more than a token gesture. In these circumstances some supporters from every club will take advantage. Liverpool are hardly unique in that respect.
I also agree that the stewarding of home supporters tends to be stronger than for away fans, it's a case of targeting the easiest option.