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Willian ..

Started by ex-Pat, May 11, 2024, 04:13:48 PM

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ex-Pat

   

  Forget about signing him, Cairney should go to a good Championship side, Tim Ream has been a great player for us I'm sure he will play he's last game against Luton.

Baszab

Willian has looked gone for quite a few weeks now

SP

I don't think playing on that rock hard Florida pitch in preseason did him any favours.


ffc73

Marco says he wants to keep Willian but I'm not convinced. Either way, we need at least one other LW as none of the others that are put out there perform well enough in that position.

Whitestone

The squad definitely needs a refresh this summer. Not a major overhaul and a lot depends on any outgoings. LW, RCB for definite though.

btffc

I'd like to keep him for one more season but we definitely need to buy a long term LW this Summer who can push him for the starting position.

Rutzler said Willian was rubbing his hamstring in the first half. He has struggled with that a decent amount this year and was not the first time he has had to come off at half for that. He is probably best as a sub at this stage. Don't think his body can handle being a regular starter anymore.


KJS

Get shot of:
BDR
CAIRNEY
JIMENEZ
TOSIN

Think about
WILSON??
REED??

Losing:
PALHINHA
POSS WILLIAN

We need a rebuild now before the pre season starts


_Putney_

Cairney is sadly coming to the end of his days with us I think, but to say, "get rid of him" is a bizarre way to look at a player who has served us so well for nearly ten years. Perhaps we keep him for cup games... extra depth.. who knows.

Luka

Sad to say it but I think we should call it a day with Willian.
As the season has progressed the player we all loved has just faded to a shadow of his former self (last season).


demeant0r

Looks like we need a pretty big rebuild this summer. Where's the money coming from though?

btffc

Quote from: demeant0r on May 11, 2024, 06:54:25 PMLooks like we need a pretty big rebuild this summer. Where's the money coming from though?

We should have around 60-80m to spend before any sales. Riverside fully opening will help and they will have a pretty good projection on what to expect with sales they have already made for it. That could be upwards of an extra 10m in revenue. Also, we are gaining 22m in loss limits from PSR since all three seasons in the calculation will be PL seasons then I think some more on top of that because 21/22 had a large loss.

demeant0r

Quote from: btffc on May 11, 2024, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: demeant0r on May 11, 2024, 06:54:25 PMLooks like we need a pretty big rebuild this summer. Where's the money coming from though?

We should have around 60-80m to spend before any sales. Riverside fully opening will help and they will have a pretty good projection on what to expect with sales they have already made for it. That could be upwards of an extra 10m in revenue. Also, we are gaining 22m in loss limits from PSR since all three seasons in the calculation will be PL seasons then I think some more on top of that because 21/22 had a large loss.

Hopefully the scouting team can magic up some cheap gems because 60m-80m is not a lot in today's market. At a minimum, we'd need to replace CB, LB, RB, LW, RB and get a utility player to replace BDR, all for 80m and hopefully some of them will be homegrown because we're losing two.


btffc

Quote from: demeant0r on May 11, 2024, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: btffc on May 11, 2024, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: demeant0r on May 11, 2024, 06:54:25 PMLooks like we need a pretty big rebuild this summer. Where's the money coming from though?

We should have around 60-80m to spend before any sales. Riverside fully opening will help and they will have a pretty good projection on what to expect with sales they have already made for it. That could be upwards of an extra 10m in revenue. Also, we are gaining 22m in loss limits from PSR since all three seasons in the calculation will be PL seasons then I think some more on top of that because 21/22 had a large loss.

Hopefully the scouting team can magic up some cheap gems because 60m-80m is not a lot in today's market. At a minimum, we'd need to replace CB, LB, RB, LW, RB and get a utility player to replace BDR, all for 80m and hopefully some of them will be homegrown because we're losing two.

You're right. It does seem like a lot on the surface but when it has to be spread across 6 players it gets eaten up pretty quickly. I reckon we will need two signings in the 20m range(RCB and LW) which leaves 20-40m for 4 players so we will need to find some good players in the 5-10m range. We've done it recently before so there is reason to be positive about it and we can afford to go for development prospects since they don't need to be starters.

If we can get to a point where the yearly transfer budget is 80m+ and and we only need to add 2-4 players per year then we can really work toward building a strong squad but that's probably a couple years away as next year we will need to replace more of the old guard(Ream, Raul, Willian, possibly Cairney) that won't bring much in the way of a fee if any when they leave.

Yorkie_FFC

Quote from: btffc on May 11, 2024, 08:16:06 PM
Quote from: demeant0r on May 11, 2024, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: btffc on May 11, 2024, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: demeant0r on May 11, 2024, 06:54:25 PMLooks like we need a pretty big rebuild this summer. Where's the money coming from though?

We should have around 60-80m to spend before any sales. Riverside fully opening will help and they will have a pretty good projection on what to expect with sales they have already made for it. That could be upwards of an extra 10m in revenue. Also, we are gaining 22m in loss limits from PSR since all three seasons in the calculation will be PL seasons then I think some more on top of that because 21/22 had a large loss.

Hopefully the scouting team can magic up some cheap gems because 60m-80m is not a lot in today's market. At a minimum, we'd need to replace CB, LB, RB, LW, RB and get a utility player to replace BDR, all for 80m and hopefully some of them will be homegrown because we're losing two.

You're right. It does seem like a lot on the surface but when it has to be spread across 6 players it gets eaten up pretty quickly. I reckon we will need two signings in the 20m range(RCB and LW) which leaves 20-40m for 4 players so we will need to find some good players in the 5-10m range. We've done it recently before so there is reason to be positive about it and we can afford to go for development prospects since they don't need to be starters.

If we can get to a point where the yearly transfer budget is 80m+ and and we only need to add 2-4 players per year then we can really work toward building a strong squad but that's probably a couple years away as next year we will need to replace more of the old guard(Ream, Raul, Willian, possibly Cairney) that won't bring much in the way of a fee if any when they leave.

That £5-10 million area does need some good scouting networks if we are not relying on loans with fees/picking up the wages. Coming out of the EU doesn't help as in the past we could have picked out a player from Europe. Without getting too big for ourselves there maybe options with players wanting to come out of their contracts with Saudi based clubs which could be an option downside is how long they take to get match sharp.

Twig

Quote from: _Putney_ on May 11, 2024, 05:41:59 PMCairney is sadly coming to the end of his days with us I think, but to say, "get rid of him" is a bizarre way to look at a player who has served us so well for nearly ten years. Perhaps we keep him for cup games... extra depth.. who knows.

You do realise this is ex pat? He has always hated on TC.


LittleErn

Quote from: _Putney_ on May 11, 2024, 05:41:59 PMCairney is sadly coming to the end of his days with us I think, but to say, "get rid of him" is a bizarre way to look at a player who has served us so well for nearly ten years. Perhaps we keep him for cup games... extra depth.. who knows.
I agree. I'm not usually his greatest fan but today he made a difference offensively when he came on. In particular, he brought Traoré into the game with some astute passes. Too little too late but better than the others had done.At least he didn't give the ball back to City!

perry geyton

Quote from: _Putney_ on May 11, 2024, 05:41:59 PMCairney is sadly coming to the end of his days with us I think, but to say, "get rid of him" is a bizarre way to look at a player who has served us so well for nearly ten years. Perhaps we keep him for cup games... extra depth.. who knows.
100%

He was also in the form of his life recently until Marco dropped him for no apparent reason,

It seems Perreira can do wrong in Marco's eyes


ex-Pat

Quote from: LittleErn on May 11, 2024, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: _Putney_ on May 11, 2024, 05:41:59 PMCairney is sadly coming to the end of his days with us I think, but to say, "get rid of him" is a bizarre way to look at a player who has served us so well for nearly ten years. Perhaps we keep him for cup games... extra depth.. who knows.
I agree. I'm not usually his greatest fan but today he made a difference offensively when he came on. In particular, he brought Traoré into the game with some astute passes. Too little too late but better than the others had done.At least he didn't give the ball back to City!

           it was only 1-0..........then he came on 4-0....Big improvement.


         


ex-Pat

Quote from: Twig on May 11, 2024, 09:45:23 PM
Quote from: _Putney_ on May 11, 2024, 05:41:59 PMCairney is sadly coming to the end of his days with us I think, but to say, "get rid of him" is a bizarre way to look at a player who has served us so well for nearly ten years. Perhaps we keep him for cup games... extra depth.. who knows.

You do realise this is ex pat? He has always hated on TC.

       I don't hate anybody, Cairney is a very good Championship player that's it.

ianthailand

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Quote from: btffc on May 11, 2024, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: demeant0r on May 11, 2024, 06:54:25 PMLooks like we need a pretty big rebuild this summer. Where's the money coming from though?

We should have around 60-80m to spend before any sales. Riverside fully opening will help and they will have a pretty good projection on what to expect with sales they have already made for it. That could be upwards of an extra 10m in revenue. Also, we are gaining 22m in loss limits from PSR since all three seasons in the calculation will be PL seasons then I think some more on top of that because 21/22 had a large loss.
But we are down 10 million or so on league position, a significant amount compared to last year.
Hopefully Stansfield makes the jump up could save us a lot of money.