FoF MOTM Wycombe 1 v 1 Fulham and Post Match Thread = Lecomte

[deadcowboys]

Where has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me

Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.

Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.

He couldn't tie Rauls boots.

At his age, Raul should be able to tie his own boots.

[JimmyConway]

Was Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?

[Rambler]

I'd like to expand this thread also to include player ratings, as I'm curious how everyone is feeling about all the players involved tonight and not just the MOTM.  With a zero being a training cone, a five obviously being mediocre, and a 10 being an absolute footballing God. 

With that in mind, here are my player ratings.  And please remember that this is just my opinion. 

Lecomte      9    Overall, he did really well.  Especially with the penalties. 

Castagne    6    I really don't remember him doing a lot in the first half.
 
Diop        9    Had a really good game and a brilliant penalty

Cuenca    8    Thought he had a great game and deserves to start against Wolves

Bassey    7    He did ok.  I think I would prefer to see him at LB with Sess in front of him. 

Reed        5    I really wanted him to do well, but I thought it was just an average performance that wasn't up to PL standards.  I feel bad saying that, but that is IMHO. 

Cairney    7    Another player who did ok IMHO, but didn't create as much as I would have hoped to see from him. 

Traore        7    He did what he always does.  He got into some good positions, tried hard to beat his player and put pressure on the back line, and got in a few good crosses.  Just not consistent for me, and should be more of an impact sub against a tired defense. 

Kevin        8    I'm really liking what I see out of him.  One of the only players who wasn't afraid to go 1v1 and take his opponent on. 

King        8    Another player that is showing real promise and, more importantly, is not afraid to take chances.  Kevin and King appeared to be our most effective creative players, and I look forward to seeing both of them play against Wolves.

Jimenez    7    He always tries hard, but he plays too deep for me.  I know that part of the reason he does that is because he isn't getting the service.  I will give credit where credit is due, and that is when it comes time to defend a corner/free kick, he is always in the thick of things. 
 
Sess        8    I thought things looked a lot better when he came on.  I'd like him at LW ahead of Bassey, since Sess supports both attack and defense for Bassey. 

Lukic        7    I know he was brought on to help with shoring up the midfield and ensure that Fulham went to penalties, but something was missing from him IMHO tonight. 

JKA        5    Early days, and hard to judge him as we haven't really seen enough of him to form a good opinion.  He performed adequately, though it appeared he wasn't putting in much effort. 

I'm probably being too generous for some of tonight's players.

Far too generous in my opinion. We were a series of 4-6s
We didn't play well.

[Neutral Zone Ultra]

I'd like to expand this thread also to include player ratings, as I'm curious how everyone is feeling about all the players involved tonight and not just the MOTM.  With a zero being a training cone, a five obviously being mediocre, and a 10 being an absolute footballing God. 

With that in mind, here are my player ratings.  And please remember that this is just my opinion. 

Lecomte      9    Overall, he did really well.  Especially with the penalties. 

Castagne    6    I really don't remember him doing a lot in the first half.
 
Diop        9    Had a really good game and a brilliant penalty

Cuenca    8    Thought he had a great game and deserves to start against Wolves

Bassey    7    He did ok.  I think I would prefer to see him at LB with Sess in front of him. 

Reed        5    I really wanted him to do well, but I thought it was just an average performance that wasn't up to PL standards.  I feel bad saying that, but that is IMHO. 

Cairney    7    Another player who did ok IMHO, but didn't create as much as I would have hoped to see from him. 

Traore        7    He did what he always does.  He got into some good positions, tried hard to beat his player and put pressure on the back line, and got in a few good crosses.  Just not consistent for me, and should be more of an impact sub against a tired defense. 

Kevin        8    I'm really liking what I see out of him.  One of the only players who wasn't afraid to go 1v1 and take his opponent on. 

King        8    Another player that is showing real promise and, more importantly, is not afraid to take chances.  Kevin and King appeared to be our most effective creative players, and I look forward to seeing both of them play against Wolves.

Jimenez    7    He always tries hard, but he plays too deep for me.  I know that part of the reason he does that is because he isn't getting the service.  I will give credit where credit is due, and that is when it comes time to defend a corner/free kick, he is always in the thick of things. 
 
Sess        8    I thought things looked a lot better when he came on.  I'd like him at LW ahead of Bassey, since Sess supports both attack and defense for Bassey. 

Lukic        7    I know he was brought on to help with shoring up the midfield and ensure that Fulham went to penalties, but something was missing from him IMHO tonight. 

JKA        5    Early days, and hard to judge him as we haven't really seen enough of him to form a good opinion.  He performed adequately, though it appeared he wasn't putting in much effort. 

I'm probably being too generous for some of tonight's players.

Christ almighty these are some generous numbers.

[SerbianLad]

In my opinion, Adama looked very dangerous every time he got the ball.

Very dangerous every time? I know you like to defend Adama from what you view are unfair attacks, and occasionally you have a point. But a comment like this is just as ridiculous and over the top as some of those unfair comments from his harshest critics. No question he had some nice moments today, but he also some not so nice (and not nearly as many nice ones as Kevin).

Yes, he looked dangerous every time he was on the ball, in my opinion. Kevin's most dangerous moments were probably more dangerous than most Adama's dangerous moments, but the sheer quantity of Adama's dangerous moments meant that he was our most dangerous player, in my opinion. Kevin was one of our best players in both half, but I do feel like he didn't beat his man every time or as easily in the first half, while Adama did. I also don't think saying stuff like yikes or ridiculous for a player who had pretty good stats too(if that's how you want to measure players) considering he had 2nd highest xA and highest accurate crosses numbers (he also could easily have got another accurate cross if JKA wasn't a split second too late to poke the ball in to the net). A ridiculous statement would be to say that e.g. Reed was our most dangerous player. This may be something that you and others think is wrong, but I can't say how it's ridiculous. Adama's biggest "sin" is that he doesn't always track back, hence why I said most dangerous and not best player.

P. S. As long as we're using Footbmob and their xG and xA stats as a measuring stick, then Adama should be our regular starter, as he has 4th highest xG+xA per 90 minutes, behind ESR, Raul and Lukic. And I guess ESR should be a starter over King too, as he's our most dangerous player. I also seem to remember you being one of the posters who had a problem with me saying Adama was good in the Villa game, and he had highest xA number, xA+xG number and joint highest chances created number.

[alfie]

Why was JKA just strutting around when it was his pen only for him to have it saved. Maybe he's not really that good.

Messi misses pens, Ronaldo too, even Matt Le Tiss missed one!

Can't judge any player on one kick of a ball surely

Sess missed as well, don't see anyone commenting on that.

[southwest6]

I only managed to watch the second half, but I like how Kevin kept trying. I maintain that we have a very good player on our hands.

With that said, barring Kevin and King, it was a pretty terrible spectacle, but the most important thing is that we are through and now we have a good chance to turn the season into a more positive one even if our league campaign is ultimately a disappointing one.

I'm under no illusion that we are in a rut but I have total faith in Marco and our team to turn it around. We are missing 5 key players and it's showing. Of course our problems our deeper than injuries, but I strongly believe that we would have picked up more points and played better overall had we had Joa, AR, Muniz, Chuck, etc fit and playing.

Onto wolves which really is a must win.
I don't care how we win, we just need to get some points in the board and build a bit of confidence.

[SerbianLad]

https://twitter.com/HammyEnd/status/1983302733919867031

Good angle of Diop's penalty yesterday. I've seen him take 2 penalties, but both were up there amongst the best penalties I've seen. Really precise and powerful. No keeper saves those.

[hopper]

Was Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?

I'd say he actually struck it well but it was really telegraphed - like most of Mitro's penalties. Sessegnon's penalty was far worse, and Iwobi also got a bit lucky.

Diop's penalty was brilliant. In terms of best penalties I've seen for Fulham, Berge at Old Trafford I think has the crown til the end of time.

[Bassey the warrior]

I only managed to watch the second half, but I like how Kevin kept trying. I maintain that we have a very good player on our hands.

With that said, barring Kevin and King, it was a pretty terrible spectacle, but the most important thing is that we are through and now we have a good chance to turn the season into a more positive one even if our league campaign is ultimately a disappointing one.

I'm under no illusion that we are in a rut but I have total faith in Marco and our team to turn it around. We are missing 5 key players and it's showing. Of course our problems our deeper than injuries, but I strongly believe that we would have picked up more points and played better overall had we had Joa, AR, Muniz, Chuck, etc fit and playing.

Onto wolves which really is a must win.
I don't care how we win, we just need to get some points in the board and build a bit of confidence.

In King, Kevin and Chukwueze we have the players to become a bit more direct and reduce the consistently slow build up, hopefully Silva makes the most of them. Of course there will be moments where slow build up is important too, it's not either or.

[southwest6]

I only managed to watch the second half, but I like how Kevin kept trying. I maintain that we have a very good player on our hands.

With that said, barring Kevin and King, it was a pretty terrible spectacle, but the most important thing is that we are through and now we have a good chance to turn the season into a more positive one even if our league campaign is ultimately a disappointing one.

I'm under no illusion that we are in a rut but I have total faith in Marco and our team to turn it around. We are missing 5 key players and it's showing. Of course our problems our deeper than injuries, but I strongly believe that we would have picked up more points and played better overall had we had Joa, AR, Muniz, Chuck, etc fit and playing.

Onto wolves which really is a must win.
I don't care how we win, we just need to get some points in the board and build a bit of confidence.

In King, Kevin and Chukwueze we have the players to become a bit more direct and reduce the consistently slow build up, hopefully Silva makes the most of them. Of course there will be moments where slow build up is important too, it's not either or.

Totally agree. This slow buildup is mostly a confidence thing IMO, but we have players like Iwobi, King, and Chuck who will ALWAYS show for the ball no matter the circumstances and be positive with it.

[hopper]

I only managed to watch the second half, but I like how Kevin kept trying. I maintain that we have a very good player on our hands.

With that said, barring Kevin and King, it was a pretty terrible spectacle, but the most important thing is that we are through and now we have a good chance to turn the season into a more positive one even if our league campaign is ultimately a disappointing one.

I'm under no illusion that we are in a rut but I have total faith in Marco and our team to turn it around. We are missing 5 key players and it's showing. Of course our problems our deeper than injuries, but I strongly believe that we would have picked up more points and played better overall had we had Joa, AR, Muniz, Chuck, etc fit and playing.

Onto wolves which really is a must win.
I don't care how we win, we just need to get some points in the board and build a bit of confidence.

In King, Kevin and Chukwueze we have the players to become a bit more direct and reduce the consistently slow build up, hopefully Silva makes the most of them. Of course there will be moments where slow build up is important too, it's not either or.

Yep, it probably won't be til second half of the season (injuries permitting) that this bears any fruit when AFCON is taken into consideration. The club prioritised other areas and I think waited too long to refresh our attacking options and now there's a fair bit of pressure on these guys to deliver quite quickly.

On the wings we had players who had technique (Iwobi, Wilson) or pace (Adama) but not really anyone who combined both. Kevin and Chukwueze I believe have both.

Of course ESR last season was meant to be a box crasher who would be a box crasher who would score goals from midfield. Just took a look and it's easy to forget he actually scored 6 last season. I think I overlook how started pretty well and seems to have regressed a bit. Superb goals against Palace, Leicester and Newcastle.

[JimmyConway]

Was Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?

I'd say he actually struck it well but it was really telegraphed - like most of Mitro's penalties. Sessegnon's penalty was far worse, and Iwobi also got a bit lucky.

Diop's penalty was brilliant. In terms of best penalties I've seen for Fulham, Berge at Old Trafford I think has the crown til the end of time.

Quite. Diop turning his back for their goal is not the greatest piece of defending! Someone of his age and experience should be doing better. Schoolboy defending and a habit he should be well rid of?

[SerbianLad]

Was Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?

I'd say he actually struck it well but it was really telegraphed - like most of Mitro's penalties. Sessegnon's penalty was far worse, and Iwobi also got a bit lucky.

Diop's penalty was brilliant. In terms of best penalties I've seen for Fulham, Berge at Old Trafford I think has the crown til the end of time.

Quite. Diop turning his back for their goal is not the greatest piece of defending! Someone of his age and experience should be doing better. Schoolboy defending and a habit he should be well rid of?

I think King should do a bit better for their goal and Lecomte too.

[JimmyConway]

Was Asare penalty a bigger crime than Diop turning his back on Woodrow's goal?

I'd say he actually struck it well but it was really telegraphed - like most of Mitro's penalties. Sessegnon's penalty was far worse, and Iwobi also got a bit lucky.

Diop's penalty was brilliant. In terms of best penalties I've seen for Fulham, Berge at Old Trafford I think has the crown til the end of time.

Quite. Diop turning his back for their goal is not the greatest piece of defending! Someone of his age and experience should be doing better. Schoolboy defending and a habit he should be well rid of?

I think King should do a bit better for their goal and Lecomte too.

My take on it is the keeper is not expecting to see his centre half turn his back on a shot at the edge of the area!! and should be looking to block the effort at all costs. It does look like keeper should do better I agree though think he saw it later than expected but would not have happened if Diop put his body on the line?

[Chi_FFC]

I also seem to remember you being one of the posters who had a problem with me saying Adama was good in the Villa game, and he had highest xA number, xA+xG number and joint highest chances created number.

You're misremembering. What I did is disagree with your ridiculous contention that Adama had been "superb" in the first half against Villa. After that match I said that he'd been ok (though in retrospect that might have been generous, however I was sympathetic to the difficult position he'd been thrown into with Raul going off injured) but did have a characteristic give away in a dangerous position in the lead up to Villa's 2nd goal. And that leads me to my final point. I was using xG/XA in the context of our discussion of Kevin and Adama against Wycombe simply to make the blindingly obvious point that Kevin was "more dangerous" yesterday. That doesn't mean he was superb or great or even particularly good (he really wasn't...nobody for Fulham was yesterday). There's MUCH more to look at than just xG/XA when evaluating the OVERALL performance of a player (and in making decisions whether that player should be starting, etc.).

[Coastwalker]

Where has all this JKA hate suddenly come from..
He missed one pen. Chill out. He got in some good positions in the box. He didn't look lazy to me

Bizarre trigger happy jumping on the lad. We were far better when he was on the pitch towards the end. Wasn't the best performance, but more happened with him up top than raul. the movement and ideas were there in and around the box but didn't quite come off.

Not sure why people are so quick to pile on a lad after 15minutes of football 😅 this board.

He couldn't tie Rauls boots.

At his age, Raul should be able to tie his own boots.

 

[SerbianLad]

I also seem to remember you being one of the posters who had a problem with me saying Adama was good in the Villa game, and he had highest xA number, xA+xG number and joint highest chances created number.

You're misremembering. What I did is disagree with your ridiculous contention that Adama had been "superb" in the first half against Villa. After that match I said that he'd been ok but did have a characteristic give away in a dangerous position in the lead up to Villa's 2nd goal. And that leads me to my final point. I was using xG/XA in the context of our discussion of Kevin and Adama against Wycombe simply to make the blindingly obvious point that Kevin was "more dangerous" yesterday. That doesn't mean he was superb or great or even particularly good (he really wasn't...nobody for Fulham was yesterday). There's MUCH more to look at than just xG/XA when evaluating the OVERALL performance of a player (and in making decisions whether that player should be starting, etc.).

And my comment yesterday didn't say that Adama was our best player but our most dangerous one. Of course more goes into a performance than just providing goal threat.

As for the Villa game, using you're arguments in the Kevin vs Adama debate in that game, Adama was our most dangerous player in that game. In pretty much any game a team's most dangerous player has been superb, so I don't think it was a ridiculous statement at all. Especially as we were quite good in that Villa game before conceding, unlike yesterday where we were never at that level, so you could say no one was superb in that game. I also said he was superb in the first half,not the full game and that's exactly when we were good.

[Chi_FFC]

And my comment yesterday didn't say that Adama was our best player but our most dangerous one.

Yes, we know (and it was most dangerous "by far" to be exact). It was a ridiculous comment as the stats make abundantly clear.

In pretty much any game a team's most dangerous player has been superb

Nonsense. Superb performances are extremely rare. Hell, I don't think we've seen a superb match (or even half) from any Fulham player this season. And if we have it most certainly wasn't Adama in the first half of the Villa match.

[SerbianLad]

And my comment yesterday didn't say that Adama was our best player but our most dangerous one.

Yes, we know (and it was most dangerous "by far" to be exact). It was a ridiculous comment as the stats make abundantly clear.

In pretty much any game a team's most dangerous player has been superb

Nonsense. Superb performances are extremely rare. Hell, I don't think we've seen a superb match (or even half) from any Fulham player this season. And if we have it most certainly wasn't Adama in the first half of the Villa match.

For the first part, I still disagree, but it seems like we won't agree on that so I feel like it's pointless to continue clogging this thread.

For the second part, it's just a matter of what you personally consider superb then. You seemingly have a much higher bar then me.