new manager selection

[Andrew]

The premier league doesn't give you 10 games to figure it out.

By then your fighting for your life, with players looking for outs in January.

Very often managers are given way to little time
IMO our manager has already had way to much time. He has repeatedly made worse than schoolboy errors and will have us relegated if he stays. iMO, again, if an error is so obvious and so excessive there is no point in persisting

As you say "Very often managers are given way to(o) little time".

And yet only two matches ago he was being praised for decent performances v Utd and Liverpool. And 5 mins away from a decent win v Ipswich. His substitutions were disastrous. I think he needs a bit more time to see if he's learned from the disaster.

He cost us the first two games, the palace game the man utd game and this one. He should go, they were all schoolboy errors except that's insulting schoolchildren.

The second he brought angle on at 70 minutes it was obvious what would happen the follow on substitutions compounded his initial error.

We played well at Liverpool but failed to beat a team that were there for the taking.

This is panning out as predicted before the first kick was taken. He hasn't learned, he repeats the errors and isn't even decent enough to accept any of the blame.

That's my opinion anyway.

[cwindsor]

I think those of you who are hoping for a new manager to save the day, six games into the season, are going to be sorely disappointed.
Shahid Khan has invested heavily in our new manager by bringing in the players that he wanted, and a number of those players are loyal to him. What do you think happens to the team if he were to be sacked?
If you know anything about Khan's history with the Jacksonville Jaguars, you will know that he plays the long game and will not be chopping and changing.

He chopped out Rene Magath pretty damned quick so what's changed?

If you're talking about René Meulensteen, he was a coach under Martin Jol, whom Khan inherited when he bought the team, and only became the manager after they sacked Jol. He wasn't recruited as a manager.

If it's Felix Magath, he was hired to replace Meulensteen, was there seven months and twenty games, through relegation and eleven straight losses before he was sacked.

These two were also shortly after Khan became owner, when I'd expect that he didn't have much of a clue about owning an English football club and relied upon the club executive's advice.

[IloveFFC]

For me the best manager available is Thomas Frank with our current situation

[IloveFFC]

https://x.com/TEAMtalk/status/2109536317004566807

[alfie]

No one with any ability is going to take the job with the the owners poking their nose in and existing forward line can't score goals relegation is on the cards,and Tony's choice of the swede forward with loan aproaching 8m sums up the magic word of sports director the words a con same as wrestling is a sport

Not sure where the owners are "poking their noses in".
Can you elaborate.

[Fulham Seaxe]

I think those of you who are hoping for a new manager to save the day, six games into the season, are going to be sorely disappointed.
Shahid Khan has invested heavily in our new manager by bringing in the players that he wanted, and a number of those players are loyal to him. What do you think happens to the team if he were to be sacked?
If you know anything about Khan's history with the Jacksonville Jaguars, you will know that he plays the long game and will not be chopping and changing.

He chopped out Rene Magath pretty damned quick so what's changed?

If you're talking about René Meulensteen, he was a coach under Martin Jol, whom Khan inherited when he bought the team, and only became the manager after they sacked Jol. He wasn't recruited as a manager.

If it's Felix Magath, he was hired to replace Meulensteen, was there seven months and twenty games, through relegation and eleven straight losses before he was sacked.

These two were also shortly after Khan became owner, when I'd expect that he didn't have much of a clue about owning an English football club and relied upon the club executive's advice.

Meulensteen was brought to the club after SK purchased it. He arrived early in November as I recall. Media were quite scathing stating that Jol had to welcome his likely successor to the club. A few weeks later Jol got the tin tack and RM took over.

[hopper]

It is not rocket science, you can't tell me they haven't got a short list for times like this.

Well.......... I wouldn't be surprised..... 

And if he did have a shortlist, it would probably be:
* Stone Cold Steve Austin
* Bret 'The Hitman' Hart
* Macho Man Randy Savage
* Triple H
* The Big Show

Funny thing is Tony was on record as saying they didn't have contingency options as they expected Marco to extend, which is completely baffling.

[Lordedmundo]

I think it has to be a manager with Premier League experience, but none of the names mentioned in this thread fill me with any enthusiasm! Frank would appear the most obvious choice, but I wouldn't want him personally. McKenna could be a good option, but the complication regarding his departure from Ipswich and potentially compensation - probably makes it a non-starter. 

I'm not massively against Dyche, he comes across well in the media. The problem is - almost all the fans at his previous clubs seem to have been overjoyed when he has left them!

Before Arbeloa's appointment - Montella was one of my top choices, but it is difficult to see him as a good option at this point.  He has much more experience than Arbeloa, but his coaching record is not great and it will take him a lot of time to get up to speed.  He may be one coach who would work well with Garcia, as you could argue that he had a similar profile as a striker (if only Garcia could become as good as him!).

In all honesty - if Tom Cairney was appointed interim until we found a replacement, I think it would actually give the squad and team a bit of a boost. I also researched online and noted that KMac already has a UEFA A Licence, so maybe a  'Curbs and Gritt' type of partnership (I'm getting carried away now  !)

[Wandsworthboy]

No one with any ability is going to take the job with the the owners poking their nose in and existing forward line can't score goals relegation is on the cards,and Tony's choice of the swede forward with loan aproaching 8m sums up the magic word of sports director the words a con same as wrestling is a sport

Wait, hold on. You say the owners are poking their nose in. Yet in your other rants the owners don't care about anything other than "men in tights," as you put it. Proper joker.

[cwindsor]

I think those of you who are hoping for a new manager to save the day, six games into the season, are going to be sorely disappointed.
Shahid Khan has invested heavily in our new manager by bringing in the players that he wanted, and a number of those players are loyal to him. What do you think happens to the team if he were to be sacked?
If you know anything about Khan's history with the Jacksonville Jaguars, you will know that he plays the long game and will not be chopping and changing.

He chopped out Rene Magath pretty damned quick so what's changed?

If you're talking about René Meulensteen, he was a coach under Martin Jol, whom Khan inherited when he bought the team, and only became the manager after they sacked Jol. He wasn't recruited as a manager.

If it's Felix Magath, he was hired to replace Meulensteen, was there seven months and twenty games, through relegation and eleven straight losses before he was sacked.

These two were also shortly after Khan became owner, when I'd expect that he didn't have much of a clue about owning an English football club and relied upon the club executive's advice.

Meulensteen was brought to the club after SK purchased it. He arrived early in November as I recall. Media were quite scathing stating that Jol had to welcome his likely successor to the club. A few weeks later Jol got the tin tack and RM took over.

Correct. I meant that he inherited Jol, not Meulensteen.

[Clint McBride]

None of them has any Premier League experience, but I don't think this is required - at least, for me.

A few options below based on Premier League experience - not necessarily realistic, but based on the first three pages on Transfermarkt.
- Gareth Southgate
- Roberto Martinez
- Sean Dyche
- Igor Tudor
- Vitor Pereira
- Sam Allardyce
- Rob Edwards
- Scott Parker
- Kieran McKenna
- Chris Hughton
- Claude Puel

Not the most inspiring list. I excluded Frank and Howe, as it has been discussed that they wouldn't be available, and Guardiola, Koeman and Conte for obvious reasons.

Have to say I find that a really depressing list

Scotty Parker or Big Sam wouldn't be terrible

[alfie]

None of them has any Premier League experience, but I don't think this is required - at least, for me.

A few options below based on Premier League experience - not necessarily realistic, but based on the first three pages on Transfermarkt.
- Gareth Southgate
- Roberto Martinez
- Sean Dyche
- Igor Tudor
- Vitor Pereira
- Sam Allardyce
- Rob Edwards
- Scott Parker
- Kieran McKenna
- Chris Hughton
- Claude Puel

Not the most inspiring list. I excluded Frank and Howe, as it has been discussed that they wouldn't be available, and Guardiola, Koeman and Conte for obvious reasons.

Have to say I find that a really depressing list

Scotty Parker or Big Sam wouldn't be terrible

All experienced, but where are they now, if they are that good they would be working.

[JimmyConway]

We are all assuming the ownership know what they are doing at Fulham?

[Woolly Mammoth]

None of them has any Premier League experience, but I don't think this is required - at least, for me.

A few options below based on Premier League experience - not necessarily realistic, but based on the first three pages on Transfermarkt.
- Gareth Southgate
- Roberto Martinez
- Sean Dyche
- Igor Tudor
- Vitor Pereira
- Sam Allardyce
- Rob Edwards
- Scott Parker
- Kieran McKenna
- Chris Hughton
- Claude Puel

Not the most inspiring list. I excluded Frank and Howe, as it has been discussed that they wouldn't be available, and Guardiola, Koeman and Conte for obvious reasons.

Have to say I find that a really depressing list

Scotty Parker or Big Sam wouldn't be terrible

All experienced, but where are they now, if they are that good they would be working.

Not necessary, with the money they have to fall back on they can afford to wait when they are ready.

[Neutral Zone Ultra]

None of them has any Premier League experience, but I don't think this is required - at least, for me.

A few options below based on Premier League experience - not necessarily realistic, but based on the first three pages on Transfermarkt.
- Gareth Southgate
- Roberto Martinez
- Sean Dyche
- Igor Tudor
- Vitor Pereira
- Sam Allardyce
- Rob Edwards
- Scott Parker
- Kieran McKenna
- Chris Hughton
- Claude Puel

Not the most inspiring list. I excluded Frank and Howe, as it has been discussed that they wouldn't be available, and Guardiola, Koeman and Conte for obvious reasons.

Have to say I find that a really depressing list

Scotty Parker or Big Sam wouldn't be terrible

Not sure if this a bait post but I'll nibble.

Parker was terrible and got us relegated.

Big Sam has been out of management for 5 years except for a failed few months at Leeds. Spends his time on Uber Eats adverts these days.

[Jim©]

The premier league doesn't give you 10 games to figure it out.

By then your fighting for your life, with players looking for outs in January.

Very often managers are given way to little time
IMO our manager has already had way to much time. He has repeatedly made worse than schoolboy errors and will have us relegated if he stays. iMO, again, if an error is so obvious and so excessive there is no point in persisting

As you say "Very often managers are given way to(o) little time".

And yet only two matches ago he was being praised for decent performances v Utd and Liverpool. And 5 mins away from a decent win v Ipswich. His substitutions were disastrous. I think he needs a bit more time to see if he's learned from the disaster.

Absolutely agree. We were a few minutes from 6 points v Man Utd and Ipswich. You could even argue with 20 shots against palace's 8 we should have won that one too.
It just needs small tweaks and we'll be flying.

[AnotherVicHalomLoveChild]

"Flying to night" ahh, I remember Hammer horror films
 

[cookieg]

It is not rocket science, you can't tell me they haven't got a short list for times like this.

Well.......... I wouldn't be surprised..... 

And if he did have a shortlist, it would probably be:
* Stone Cold Steve Austin
* Bret 'The Hitman' Hart
* Macho Man Randy Savage
* Triple H
* The Big Show

Funny thing is Tony was on record as saying they didn't have contingency options as they expected Marco to extend, which is completely baffling.

I think everyone felt that Marco was going to sign. If the club thought he was too then he must have been giving off those signals.

[hopper]

It is not rocket science, you can't tell me they haven't got a short list for times like this.

Well.......... I wouldn't be surprised..... 

And if he did have a shortlist, it would probably be:
* Stone Cold Steve Austin
* Bret 'The Hitman' Hart
* Macho Man Randy Savage
* Triple H
* The Big Show

Funny thing is Tony was on record as saying they didn't have contingency options as they expected Marco to extend, which is completely baffling.

I think everyone felt that Marco was going to sign. If the club thought he was too then he must have been giving off those signals.

Given how he had been dragging it out for so long, I think most people didn't.

Whatever signals he was giving, you should always have a list of contingency options, to simply not have thought about it is negligence.

[demeant0r]

It is not rocket science, you can't tell me they haven't got a short list for times like this.

Well.......... I wouldn't be surprised..... 

And if he did have a shortlist, it would probably be:
* Stone Cold Steve Austin
* Bret 'The Hitman' Hart
* Macho Man Randy Savage
* Triple H
* The Big Show

Funny thing is Tony was on record as saying they didn't have contingency options as they expected Marco to extend, which is completely baffling.

I think everyone felt that Marco was going to sign. If the club thought he was too then he must have been giving off those signals.

Are you serious? There was a large contingent here saying he we had a feeling he wouldn't sign. Because if he was to sign, it would've been done a in the summer previous or even the January window.