I think the khans are very poor

[MickTheBeard]

Yes they are owners and have spent money on the club but you have missed the point of the problem the owners are making mistakes in the running of the club which is costing them money and stopping us being reasonable y successful by not employing the wright people like Dof from youth to 1st team if we go down players will leave the better young and old,a rebuild,new supporters will leave corperate will be smaller,we keep failing to hold our status look at Brentford for example,something don't add up are they just money laundering."

[Thailand Mick]

Every club that has been relegated from the Premier league has made mistakes and even the big clubs are making mistakes. Football success is never a sure thing and that is why the big clubs have tried to ring fence themselves but as we see with Spurs even that is no guarantee. It's all very well highlighting clubs like Brighton who are doing very well but the same thing used to be said about Southampton.

[Andrew]

Every club that has been relegated from the Premier league has made mistakes and even the big clubs are making mistakes. Football success is never a sure thing and that is why the big clubs have tried to ring fence themselves but as we see with Spurs even that is no guarantee. It's all very well highlighting clubs like Brighton who are doing very well but the same thing used to be said about Southampton.

All that you say is self evidently true. My issue is that our owners repeat avoidable errors and seem to have learned nothing. The selection of AA, even if he would have worked out, was/is an incredible gamble that a club like ours should not have taken. Those big teams can hurl money at at it and attract talent based on their name and prestige, we cannot do that.

The firs thing after getting a proper manager would be to get a proper management structure. The Khans should set the budget and targets and then let the team get on with it. Even then there are no guarantees but at least you are cutting down the odds of failure.

[peachcobbler]

Every club that has been relegated from the Premier league has made mistakes and even the big clubs are making mistakes. Football success is never a sure thing and that is why the big clubs have tried to ring fence themselves but as we see with Spurs even that is no guarantee. It's all very well highlighting clubs like Brighton who are doing very well but the same thing used to be said about Southampton.

All that you say is self evidently true. My issue is that our owners repeat avoidable errors and seem to have learned nothing. The selection of AA, even if he would have worked out, was/is an incredible gamble that a club like ours should not have taken. Those big teams can hurl money at at it and attract talent based on their name and prestige, we cannot do that.

The firs thing after getting a proper manager would be to get a proper management structure. The Khans should set the budget and targets and then let the team get on with it. Even then there are no guarantees but at least you are cutting down the odds of failure.

It's really odd that you make comments like you dislike the tone of posters who "defend the club from any critical analysis."

But then something as wild as our owners have learned nothing. You cannot say with a straight face Tony Khan has learned nothing, especially since working with Marco. Remember his stat-days? He has openly come out and said he got stuff wrong early on and working with Marco taught him how to work with the manager/coach to find what works for the squad they want to build.

You can still think he is a poor DoF, you can still think he should be out and we should hire someone with a football background... But saying "learned nothing" is just as dogmatic as what you dislike.

my opinion

[Andrew]

Every club that has been relegated from the Premier league has made mistakes and even the big clubs are making mistakes. Football success is never a sure thing and that is why the big clubs have tried to ring fence themselves but as we see with Spurs even that is no guarantee. It's all very well highlighting clubs like Brighton who are doing very well but the same thing used to be said about Southampton.

All that you say is self evidently true. My issue is that our owners repeat avoidable errors and seem to have learned nothing. The selection of AA, even if he would have worked out, was/is an incredible gamble that a club like ours should not have taken. Those big teams can hurl money at at it and attract talent based on their name and prestige, we cannot do that.

The firs thing after getting a proper manager would be to get a proper management structure. The Khans should set the budget and targets and then let the team get on with it. Even then there are no guarantees but at least you are cutting down the odds of failure.

It's really odd that you make comments like you dislike the tone of posters who "defend the club from any critical analysis."

But then something as wild as our owners have learned nothing. You cannot say with a straight face Tony Khan has learned nothing, especially since working with Marco. Remember his stat-days? He has openly come out and said he got stuff wrong early on and working with Marco taught him how to work with the manager/coach to find what works for the squad they want to build.

You can still think he is a poor DoF, you can still think he should be out and we should hire someone with a football background... But saying "learned nothing" is just as dogmatic as what you dislike.

my opinion

With all due humility I thought it was self evident I am using an idiom of speech to say they have learned nothing just because they repeat the same mistakes, and in the case of appointing AA, there appears to be no knowledge of football being applied at all.  Clearly the must have learned something in all this time but it is very hard to see what.

We continue to have a part time inexperienced dof who would never get a job of that type in any other club. The transfer policy is highly questionable; I am happy if the owner sets a budget and says that much and no more, but let proper full time professionals manage that.

In terms of not liking the tone of others, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there are maybe half a dozen or so that are really unnecessarily objectionable in their manner.

My outlook is entirely driven by 65 years of attending, supporting, living and breathing Fulham, putting the club before other more important things, to see repeating avoidable errors is massively frustrating... And key here is repeating avoidable errors. That is how I see it.

You don't have to agree with me and I'm happy to debate any specific points. Of course I am dogmatic, what is happening is nowhere near good enough. But you might see things differently, you are entitled to that.

Finally. I have recently been very unwell and am returning to the Cottage tomorrow, I have been driving myself to be well enough to return, it will be a real pleasure come what may, whatever the result.

[Jim©]

Jim I was at United game and not bothered about XG as I've never seen a stat take a corner?

So was I and i saw Man Utd taking a load of pot shots from outside the area.
 

Jim forgive my age but did Utd hit the woodwork twice ? Did Leno bring off 2 or 3 top drawer saves? I might have dreamt that though? Old age comes to us all eventually!

Yep, one a looped deflection and one that I think would have been ruled out as Cunha handballed it as he fell on it. Lammens made 3 good saves, Leno made 3 good saves (all from outside the box). To lose 2 points to a deflected goal, in the 89th minute  clearly doesn't go down as unlucky in your book. 

I'm not alarmist like many it would seem. I can see that the team have played ok thus far and deserve more points.

[Jim©]

I had been waiting for your comments and pleased you bring some balance to my opposite view.

Hpowever, from 65ish years of supporting Fulham I can say IMO AA is aong the most dreadful choices I have seen and let's face it I have seen quite a few dreadful managers! We haven't been unlucky at all, he has been responsible for the poor results and watching each obvious and avoidable error he makes is a source of great concern. Just taking the last game angel was so pathetic a substitution, not fair on the supporters and not fair on the youngster. He was out of his depth and hadn't a clue... the other changes made us worse.  As far as anderson was concerned, we needed to push on in that game and we invited pressure that we could have avoided... perhaps at Ipswich Anderson in the last 10 might have been worth a go but not once he made the other changes.

If you do not think he is awful and just unlucky then you would have said the same about Sanchez being unlucky because on the stat league table at 80 minutes (or was it 75?), sanchez was a genius.  Also if you think it will come good, I am impressed by your optimism but I can't see that because he makes totally avoidable errors that a school child wouldn't make.

AA was a big mistake in my opinion and can't possibly last. The Khans have made a mistake, again, they need to correct it. They also need to get proper full time professional people in to run the club because that is not what we have. The Khans should set the budget and the framework, then they should let the hired hands get on with it, not waiting until too late to bring in the obviously wrong squad players.

I am honestly glad you bring an alternative point of view, I just do not understand what you are seeing that makes you confident in this appointment.

AA is nowhere near the most dreadful choice in 65 years of Fulham. That's just over the top nonsense in my opinion.
Yep, I'll continue to think that we've been pretty unlucky thus far and hope that it turns this weekend.
 

[Andrew]

Jim I was at United game and not bothered about XG as I've never seen a stat take a corner?

So was I and i saw Man Utd taking a load of pot shots from outside the area.
 

Jim forgive my age but did Utd hit the woodwork twice ? Did Leno bring off 2 or 3 top drawer saves? I might have dreamt that though? Old age comes to us all eventually!

Yep, one a looped deflection and one that I think would have been ruled out as Cunha handballed it as he fell on it. Lammens made 3 good saves, Leno made 3 good saves (all from outside the box). To lose 2 points to a deflected goal, in the 89th minute  clearly doesn't go down as unlucky in your book. 

I'm not alarmist like many it would seem. I can see that the team have played ok thus far and deserve more points.

Just regarding the deflection which is always unfortunate, but if you allow the opposition to come onto you repeatedly, sit to deep, allow spaces for so many possibilities of attempts at goal, especially with a player of that ability, it isn't unlucky, and if not inevitable, was likely.

If we would have pressed them, been up the pitch more, we would have had a better chance of a win, but it wasn't unlucky, that would have been the right word if it was their only effort on our goal. Just how I see it.

[Andrew]

I had been waiting for your comments and pleased you bring some balance to my opposite view.

Hpowever, from 65ish years of supporting Fulham I can say IMO AA is aong the most dreadful choices I have seen and let's face it I have seen quite a few dreadful managers! We haven't been unlucky at all, he has been responsible for the poor results and watching each obvious and avoidable error he makes is a source of great concern. Just taking the last game angel was so pathetic a substitution, not fair on the supporters and not fair on the youngster. He was out of his depth and hadn't a clue... the other changes made us worse.  As far as anderson was concerned, we needed to push on in that game and we invited pressure that we could have avoided... perhaps at Ipswich Anderson in the last 10 might have been worth a go but not once he made the other changes.

If you do not think he is awful and just unlucky then you would have said the same about Sanchez being unlucky because on the stat league table at 80 minutes (or was it 75?), sanchez was a genius.  Also if you think it will come good, I am impressed by your optimism but I can't see that because he makes totally avoidable errors that a school child wouldn't make.

AA was a big mistake in my opinion and can't possibly last. The Khans have made a mistake, again, they need to correct it. They also need to get proper full time professional people in to run the club because that is not what we have. The Khans should set the budget and the framework, then they should let the hired hands get on with it, not waiting until too late to bring in the obviously wrong squad players.

I am honestly glad you bring an alternative point of view, I just do not understand what you are seeing that makes you confident in this appointment.

AA is nowhere near the most dreadful choice in 65 years of Fulham. That's just over the top nonsense in my opinion.
Yep, I'll continue to think that we've been pretty unlucky thus far and hope that it turns this weekend.
 

With genuine respect to your opinion... who was a worse choice than a man with no track record of being a manager/coach let alone experience of  managing/coaching in the prem (I know he played at Liverool), no connection to the club no CV worthy of the name. This was clearly a massive gamble  and all the pre season fears seem to be playing out. In 65 years I cannot think of many worse selections, only branfoot and ranieri  IMO, and both bound to fail. There might be others I have forgotten but at least with ranieri there was experience of the league  but I never thought he should have been anywhere near Fulham. Branfoot was just unmitigated awfulness and obviously wrong.