The young lad Dembele

[the nutflush]

How long till we see him in the first team squad?  Put another two away against Bolton U21s I see.  Hes been knocking them in for fun.  Has Jol noticed?  Oh wait.... thats right.  Jol hates young players.  I wont hold my breath.

[Rhys Lightning 63]

This the same Jol that is giving Kasami and Kacanikilic a go, and gave Matthew Briggs his fair shot in the first team

[the nutflush]

This the same Jol that is giving Kasami and Kacanikilic a go, and gave Matthew Briggs his fair shot in the first team

Yes the same Jol.

[David Allen Crankshaw]

Both Hodgson and Hughes paid little attention to the younger players. Martin Jol will be very aware of Dembele's progress and will only use him when he feels he is ready.

[the nutflush]

Do you really think Briggs has had a fair shot?  How about giving him a spot for say six matches in a row and then make a decision?  Everyone jumps all over Richardsons back and I myself think hes hopeless and Riiise's not te answer so why not give him a proper chance to take the left back spot?  Not one in five out then come on as a sub then out on loan.  Would love to see Dan Burn get a recall if we can.  Ponderos has no place in our squad but somehow he manages to stick around. 

Ali Mac was quoted in the preseason that they were expecting big things from Mesca this season.  Hes played less than a half of football. 

[Roberty]

It might be easier to integrate the academy players and give them playing time if we had a winning team.

[Roberty]

Do you really think Briggs has had a fair shot?  How about giving him a spot for say six matches in a row and then make a decision?  Everyone jumps all over Richardsons back and I myself think hes hopeless and Riiise's not te answer so why not give him a proper chance to take the left back spot?  Not one in five out then come on as a sub then out on loan.  Would love to see Dan Burn get a recall if we can.  Ponderos has no place in our squad but somehow he manages to stick around.  

Ali Mac was quoted in the preseason that they were expecting big things from Mesca this season.  Hes played less than a half of football.  

The is not going to be possible - Briggs has not be available for some time.

In case you missed it - on 24 September it was announced that Matthew Briggs had undergone a hernia operation - I have no idea what the recuperation period is but it has to be more than 8 weeks before he can do any serious training.

Maybe he strained something giving Jol a piggy-back ride?

[the nutflush]

Do you really think Briggs has had a fair shot?  How about giving him a spot for say six matches in a row and then make a decision?  Everyone jumps all over Richardsons back and I myself think hes hopeless and Riiise's not te answer so why not give him a proper chance to take the left back spot?  Not one in five out then come on as a sub then out on loan.  Would love to see Dan Burn get a recall if we can.  Ponderos has no place in our squad but somehow he manages to stick around. 

Ali Mac was quoted in the preseason that they were expecting big things from Mesca this season.  Hes played less than a half of football. 

The is not going to be possible - Briggs has not be available for some time.

In case you missed it - on 24 September it was announced that Mathew Briggs had undergone a hernia operation - I have no idea what the recuperation period is but it has to be more than 8 weeks before he can do any serious training.

Yes I was aware of his hernia injury.  I was trying to say that its no use playing someone like Briggs once a blue moon and then deciding hes not good enough.  The same thing happened with Kerim Frei.  Why not give these guys a proper run and then making a decision on them?  Good to see Kasami getting his just rewards and he has been the shining light in a very average start to the season.  But even Kaca must be getting whiplash.

[Roberty]

Do you really think Briggs has had a fair shot?  How about giving him a spot for say six matches in a row and then make a decision?  Everyone jumps all over Richardsons back and I myself think hes hopeless and Riiise's not te answer so why not give him a proper chance to take the left back spot?  Not one in five out then come on as a sub then out on loan.  Would love to see Dan Burn get a recall if we can.  Ponderos has no place in our squad but somehow he manages to stick around. 

Ali Mac was quoted in the preseason that they were expecting big things from Mesca this season.  Hes played less than a half of football. 

The is not going to be possible - Briggs has not be available for some time.

In case you missed it - on 24 September it was announced that Mathew Briggs had undergone a hernia operation - I have no idea what the recuperation period is but it has to be more than 8 weeks before he can do any serious training.

Yes I was aware of his hernia injury.  I was trying to say that its no use playing someone like Briggs once a blue moon and then deciding hes not good enough.  The same thing happened with Kerim Frei.  Why not give these guys a proper run and then making a decision on them?  Good to see Kasami getting his just rewards and he has been the shining light in a very average start to the season.  But even Kaca must be getting whiplash.

Same with Frei - he has spent most of the last season on the injury list - he made several recoveries but, like Hangeland, went off to play for his country only to come back injured again.

[TonyGilroy]

Briggs is no longer that young - 23? - and has had several opportunities on loan without impressing. Jol has many faults but IMO not progressing Briggs isn't one of them.

The team badly needs youthful energy but bringing in young kids before they're ready will do them and us more harm than good.

Be great if Dembele were ready though.

[the nutflush]

Briggs is no longer that young - 23? - and has had several opportunities on loan without impressing. Jol has many faults but IMO not progressing Briggs isn't one of them.

The team badly needs youthful energy but bringing in young kids before they're ready will do them and us more harm than good.

Be great if Dembele were ready though.

That gets back to my original question.  How long till we see Dembele?  Has anyone watched him live regularly?  He certainly sounds like an exciting prospect.  Would be great to see a teenager in our lineup instead of buying/loaning 30 somethings. 

[ToodlesMcToot]

How long till we see him in the first team squad?  Put another two away against Bolton U21s I see.  Hes been knocking them in for fun.  Has Jol noticed?  Oh wait.... thats right.  Jol hates young players.  I wont hold my breath.

How can you say Jol hates young players? Mesca, David, Dembélé ( and more )all were brought here during Jol's regime. He's singled each of those three out for praise throughout the season.

How do you know that it's not Kit telling Jol that they aren't ready yet? Even before Jol, Fulham rarely brought thru youngsters straight to the first team. They've always gone out on loans prior.

Hate him if you will, but at least use the truth to justify your hate rather than just manufacturing reasons.

[Furby]

It might be easier to integrate the academy players and give them playing time if we had a winning team.

Then I'm sure Jol would stick with the same winning team, so the youngsters wouldn't get a look in still.

Kasami's playing because he had the opportunity to start the season in the starting 11 and took his chance. Kaca I feel is always used as a scapegoat, if things aren't working he'll be the first player sacrificed and doesn't get anywhere enough of a run in the team in my opinion.

At least give Dembele a chance to come off the bench, even if it's just 20-25 mins to breathe a bit of life into the forward line and possibly make an impact.

[Roberty]

It might be easier to integrate the academy players and give them playing time if we had a winning team.

Then I'm sure Jol would stick with the same winning team, so the youngsters wouldn't get a look in still.

Kasami's playing because he had the opportunity to start the season in the starting 11 and took his chance. Kaca I feel is always used as a scapegoat, if things aren't working he'll be the first player sacrificed and doesn't get anywhere enough of a run in the team in my opinion.

At least give Dembele a chance to come off the bench, even if it's just 20-25 mins to breathe a bit of life into the forward line and possibly make an impact.

My point was not for them to start but to get some game time off the bench.
It will not do them any good if they come on when things are desperate and get booed off at the end.

[the nutflush]

It might be easier to integrate the academy players and give them playing time if we had a winning team.

Then I'm sure Jol would stick with the same winning team, so the youngsters wouldn't get a look in still.

Kasami's playing because he had the opportunity to start the season in the starting 11 and took his chance. Kaca I feel is always used as a scapegoat, if things aren't working he'll be the first player sacrificed and doesn't get anywhere enough of a run in the team in my opinion.

At least give Dembele a chance to come off the bench, even if it's just 20-25 mins to breathe a bit of life into the forward line and possibly make an impact.

Jol would rather watch Berbatov walk around the park all day.  

[elgreenio]

don't think he's ready to be a fixture in the first team yet. Not seen him since the move up to the 21s this year but he scored a lot at u18 level by virtue of being stronger and quicker than a lot of people, as well as being intent on scoring (as opposed to the tika-taka players around him). Just wonder how he's going handle a step up to pro football at whatever level.

[the nutflush]

Well hes scored five now in three U21 games so hes certianly made the jump from U18 to U21s.  Seems like hes progressing quickly. 

[elgreenio]

Well hes scored five now in three U21 games so hes certianly made the jump from U18 to U21s.  Seems like hes progressing quickly. 

thing is that there isn't really a jump between u18 and u21, it's a small step.

[Furby]

It might be easier to integrate the academy players and give them playing time if we had a winning team.

Then I'm sure Jol would stick with the same winning team, so the youngsters wouldn't get a look in still.

Kasami's playing because he had the opportunity to start the season in the starting 11 and took his chance. Kaca I feel is always used as a scapegoat, if things aren't working he'll be the first player sacrificed and doesn't get anywhere enough of a run in the team in my opinion.

At least give Dembele a chance to come off the bench, even if it's just 20-25 mins to breathe a bit of life into the forward line and possibly make an impact.

My point was not for them to start but to get some game time off the bench.
It will not do them any good if they come on when things are desperate and get booed off at the end.

I knew what you meant, but they could be waiting until next season for their opportunity with that logic. If they were given a chance like Berahino was on Saturday for WBA then they might change the game like he did.

[JBH]

How long till we see him in the first team squad?  Put another two away against Bolton U21s I see.  Hes been knocking them in for fun.  Has Jol noticed?  Oh wait.... thats right.  Jol hates young players.  I wont hold my breath.

Kasami and Kaca don't get first team games then