We were not a disgrace tonight..I repeat never at any stage were we a DISGRACE!!

[Max Headroom]

We weren't a disgrace? Five goals conceded for ten second time In 7 games? Good players being badly managed. Simple as.

[Woolly Mammoth]

7 matches. 1point gained. 20 points lost. 29 players used in 7 matches, and a Manager that couldn't run a bath. I rest the case for the prosecution, 

[crazycottager]

getting a new manager wont change anything

erm.. yes it will, anything is better than the trash I saw today

[LBNo11]

...Kiraly, veteran goalkeeper appointed by Magath:-

Games Played: 2

Goals Conceded: 8

just saying...

[love4ffc]

...Kiraly, veteran goalkeeper appointed by Magath:-

Games Played: 2

Goals Conceded: 8

just saying...

Oh that's a bad stat.  Very, very bad stat. 

[valdeingruo]

we have payed better football than most if not all the teams in the championship..more attacking passes, more  shots than Nottingham AWAY!!!!! And still people don't see promise... Magath is not to be blamed. No other manager faces the same dilemma he is facing right now! we changed the whole damn team and the whole world thinks we will just play like a premier league team. And people still think we have to change the manager?? He doesnt know his best team yet. getting a new manager wont change anything

I see plenty of promise. Bar one match we have had the better run of play for the first 10 minutes, then we let a silly goal in and it all changes. Proper coaching is a MUST given that the average first team is barely in or just out of their twenties. It has been exciting but the lack of defense and finishing in this league is down to the coaching. This club needs to be told "do this for corners" "do this against set pieces" it clearly isn't happening. We have not let in a "worldy:" this season. Soft goals that should have been defended. I myself was a huge Magath supporter and on paper, Magath is the man for the job, but its clearly not working out. This season WILL make or break Fulham as it is probably be the last season we see all of our academy players together if we at least don't finish in the promotion spots.How many clubs have already identified David,Roberts,Hyndman, Woodrow and others for January? A fair bit I would imagine. I can't imagine any of them staying if we are near bottom in January. Felix is going to have to do a heck of a lot to convince me now. I could write off chopping and changing last year, I cannot justify it this year. The match only began to swing our way once David was introduced.

It is not only FM but the club aswell.
Letting both keepers go.
Mitroglu
14 players gone.
Hangeland

[rogerpbackinMidEastUS]

...Kiraly, veteran goalkeeper appointed by Magath:-

Games Played: 2

Goals Conceded: 8

just saying...

I don't think you were "just saying"

I think you were trying to make a point  :0)

[dannyboi-ffc]

we have payed better football than most if not all the teams in the championship..more attacking passes, more  shots than Nottingham AWAY!!!!! And still people don't see promise... Magath is not to be blamed. No other manager faces the same dilemma he is facing right now! we changed the whole damn team and the whole world thinks we will just play like a premier league team. And people still think we have to change the manager?? He doesnt know his best team yet. getting a new manager wont change anything

his best team was the one that played against cardiff, it was the best defensively, the most balanced, most organised and on another day that team would of held on.  So why did kavanagh and kiraly play at reading? Why did the team change randomly again at forest??? Im sorry but the manager is the reason we lose, not that we have too many new players. Thats just an excuse now, 7 games my friend! 7 games! If a manager doesnt know his best team after that amount of time then he has no hope of being a success.

Conceding 5 goals cant be defended, its not good enough. Performances are great when your doing ok but when you're BOTTOM WITHOUT a win losing bravely isnt gonna breed confidence. All that mattered last night was a result and felix failed again.

Nothing personal to him, I dont hate him at the minute, I dont know him well enough to but he doesnt deserve such a high paid job because of past glory, at some point he has to be judged on the here and now and that day has arrived.

#shut the door on your way out

[MasterHaynes]

The problem is exactly that, after an end of season extended squad training, a whole pre season and 8 competitive games he does not appear to have a clue who his best 13 players are, what each players best position is nor what know his preferred system is to employ with the players selected.
Clearly from what we have seen we have a lot of very good players at Fulham why is it so hard to settle on who and how to play them? I think Forest Coach Wigley hinted the same the Forest coach, said: "Fulham have forgotten how to win – they could not have given any more for their manager. They will get on the bus feeling very unfortunate."

Over a period of 12 weeks Felix still makes unforced 4-5 changes every game. When you select a player for his first appearance who previously hadn't even featured in the match squad, select 4 centre halfs to play together,a new  midfield combination in front of them why are we surprised we were unable to close up shop.
No continuity, constant change of players, it was not far off a scratch team put together for the one game, the players selected will know it will be all change again for saturday. Utter Folly and yet sadly so predictable. Clearly drawing names out of a hat for doesn't work Felix

[Humbled]

The problem is exactly that, after an end of season extended squad training, a whole pre season and 8 competitive games he does not appear to have a clue who his best 13 players are, what each players best position is nor what know his preferred system is to employ with the players selected.
Clearly from what we have seen we have a lot of very good players at Fulham why is it so hard to settle on who and how to play them? I think Forest Coach Wigley hinted the same the Forest coach, said: "Fulham have forgotten how to win – they could not have given any more for their manager. They will get on the bus feeling very unfortunate."

Over a period of 12 weeks Felix still makes unforced 4-5 changes every game. When you select a player for his first appearance who previously hadn't even featured in the match squad, select 4 centre halfs to play together,a new  midfield combination in front of them why are we surprised we were unable to close up shop.
No continuity, constant change of players, it was not far off a scratch team put together for the one game, the players selected will know it will be all change again for saturday. Utter Folly and yet sadly so predictable. Clearly drawing names out of a hat for doesn't work Felix

[Skatzoffc]

We play the top of the division away from home. Choose a totally  random team never before selected by the manager.
We cannot defend corners or free kicks so these obviously aren't being done in training.

I am totally and utterly sick of this!

This ludicrous and futile experiment must stop now for us to retain a place in this division imo.

Felix out!
Ally Mac out!

[GloucesterWhite]

we have payed better football than most if not all the teams in the championship..more attacking passes, more  shots than Nottingham AWAY!!!!! And still people don't see promise... Magath is not to be blamed. No other manager faces the same dilemma he is facing right now! we changed the whole damn team and the whole world thinks we will just play like a premier league team. And people still think we have to change the manager?? He doesnt know his best team yet. getting a new manager wont change anything

Are you the Gary who was in Only Fools and Horses?

[FFC1987]

I'd seriously question a team built upon 6 defenders conceding 5 against a depleted Forest side. Defensively we were a disgrace. Not sure what Burn was doing for half the game, marking obviously isn't his forte.

[Lighthouse]

Haven't seen any of it but I have noticed the players looked a tad confused in previous games. Could last nights collapse be down to something similar?

[FFC1987]

Haven't seen any of it but I have noticed the players looked a tad confused in previous games. Could last nights collapse be down to something similar?

It can't just be Felix tactics. The players are getting off lightly here and Magath is taking the full brunt. Those guys know how to defend and know how to start an attack. Shipping 5 goals in any game is an embarrassment as a professional. I feel I should place emphasis here on the fact I want Felix gone and disliked him from day 1 but 5 goals is unforgivable.

[Tony.Lee]

Haven't seen any of it but I have noticed the players looked a tad confused in previous games. Could last nights collapse be down to something similar?

It can't just be Felix tactics. The players are getting off lightly here and Magath is taking the full brunt. Those guys know how to defend and know how to start an attack. Shipping 5 goals in any game is an embarrassment as a professional. I feel I should place emphasis here on the fact I want Felix gone and disliked him from day 1 but 5 goals is unforgivable.

Not sure what is more embarrassing though, 5 goals in a single game or 18 goals in 7 games.

[Burt]

The OP has a fair point, which is that Felix has been presiding over probably the biggest overhaul in the squad the club has seen for a generation, and to expect us to be storming away at the top is a completely unrealistic expectation as a result of this overhaul, and by implication Felix needs to be given time to sort it out.

I was in this camp right through to last weekend, but my view since then has been that Felix will not succeed even though I have sympathy with the enormity of the task at hand.

By now I would have expected to have seen some form of stability in squad and style to emerge but every game seems to be an experiment and there is absolutely no sign of progression or momentum.

[FFC1987]

Haven't seen any of it but I have noticed the players looked a tad confused in previous games. Could last nights collapse be down to something similar?

It can't just be Felix tactics. The players are getting off lightly here and Magath is taking the full brunt. Those guys know how to defend and know how to start an attack. Shipping 5 goals in any game is an embarrassment as a professional. I feel I should place emphasis here on the fact I want Felix gone and disliked him from day 1 but 5 goals is unforgivable.

Not sure what is more embarrassing though, 5 goals in a single game or 18 goals in 7 games.

Exactly my point. Like I say i'm not saying Felix should stay, far from it! But those guys need to have a serious look at themselves. The basic's of defending aren't down to management!!! They shouldn't concede goals at teh rate of that with essentially 2 covering midfielders!

[Reznor]

Haven't seen any of it but I have noticed the players looked a tad confused in previous games. Could last nights collapse be down to something similar?

It can't just be Felix tactics. The players are getting off lightly here and Magath is taking the full brunt. Those guys know how to defend and know how to start an attack. Shipping 5 goals in any game is an embarrassment as a professional. I feel I should place emphasis here on the fact I want Felix gone and disliked him from day 1 but 5 goals is unforgivable.

Not sure what is more embarrassing though, 5 goals in a single game or 18 goals in 7 games.

Exactly my point. Like I say i'm not saying Felix should stay, far from it! But those guys need to have a serious look at themselves. The basic's of defending aren't down to management!!! They shouldn't concede goals at teh rate of that with essentially 2 covering midfielders!

It is obvious their confidence is shot and this in my mind has been completely eroded by the constant and ridiculous changing of the team. You have a good game but hey, you're dropped anyway. Farcical and funny if it weren't so damn sad.

[FFC1987]

Haven't seen any of it but I have noticed the players looked a tad confused in previous games. Could last nights collapse be down to something similar?

It can't just be Felix tactics. The players are getting off lightly here and Magath is taking the full brunt. Those guys know how to defend and know how to start an attack. Shipping 5 goals in any game is an embarrassment as a professional. I feel I should place emphasis here on the fact I want Felix gone and disliked him from day 1 but 5 goals is unforgivable.

Not sure what is more embarrassing though, 5 goals in a single game or 18 goals in 7 games.

Exactly my point. Like I say i'm not saying Felix should stay, far from it! But those guys need to have a serious look at themselves. The basic's of defending aren't down to management!!! They shouldn't concede goals at teh rate of that with essentially 2 covering midfielders!

It is obvious their confidence is shot and this in my mind has been completely eroded by the constant and ridiculous changing of the team. You have a good game but hey, you're dropped anyway. Farcical and funny if it weren't so damn sad.

That's true but still....that shouldn't affect the basic's of defending! Shows shocking discipline.