Cairney

[perry geyton]

Well you may think that I am talking rubbish but I think Marco probably agrees with me because he does not start Tom and my observations explained above a likely to a reason why.  It's all about opinions and on the ball Tom is as good as anyone and better than most.  However football matches are won and lost depending on how effective a team is a scoring AND no conceding.  Playing 4-2-3-1 with Tom as one of the 2 midfield players creates issues.  I would in fact suggest v Sunderland we played a more 4-1-4-1 with Tom and Pereira as more advanced in midfield leave space for Sunderland to attack.

100% agree with this. Tom is good but lets not kid ourselves, he shines the most against lesser opposition. He is not good enough to start in the prem but is a very good impact sub to play balls for when we bring on pacey players in the last 10-15

Tom is not good enough to start in the Prem ?
In your opinion that is, I have a completely different opinion....
Please add an IMO when spouting like that

IMO he isn't , and the stats back it up.

73 appearences in the prem, 3 goals 2 assists. are you really sitting there telling me thats prem quality? come on....

Anguissa played as a CDM and has more assists than him ( 3 ) in 14 less games in the prem

Pereira has 21 appearences for us and 2 goals , 5 assists ....

Reed has 20 appearences 1 goal 2 assists..

Palhinha has the same amout of goals as him as a CDM ....




So how on earth is Tom prem level ?

Yeah I'm telling you he's quality stat boy 100%

Tell me Sammy what was your opinion on Tim Ream continuing on at the end of last season? I'm curious to know

Comparing a CB to an attacking midfielder? weird one.

Lets just compare a left back to a striker then for game stats if thats how your brain works on merit on who should start ?

BUT You didn't answer my question did you Mr Know It All

Did you write Tim Ream off and say he should retire cos he's not good enough for the premier league ? It's a simple question,

it's regarding a player has nothing to do with the position they play in

Did you or not ?

[simplyfulham]

Again, if you believe goals and assists are the only existing attacking stats (and that being abl to pass the ball is unimportant), then I guess there is no argument

I believe there are other things to a game of football, but to each their own.

I don't believe that though in a general sense, but for his position and an expert in his position i absolutely do. His job is to create chances and hopefully score, he does neither. In fact, in 73 games he has only created 8 big chances.  There is a reason he was dropped by Marco, and its pretty obvious why.

Sammy your welcome to all the opinions you wish to hold. This one, however, it seems like this one has been pulled firmly from where the sun don't shine.

There are a lot of match actions that can't be tracked by stats. Or more accurately, are not yet able to be tracked by stats (but you seem switched on, so I'd bet money that you're already aware of this).

A top example of this is Andreas Pereira himself, who Slavisa wanted to sign 7 years ago. The transfer was blocked by Tony Kahn as they couldn't validate the player as they hadn't considered tracking players in the development leagues.

Cairney's composure on the ball and is ability to keep the ball, make the right decisions on the ball every single time and so frequently open up new channels is almost unrivalled.

So often if you look at who's played the ball to the bloke who's put the ball in the box.. it'll be Tom.

If you don't think he's up to Prem standard, I'd be tempted to suggest that football just isn't for you  :dft012:

[blingo]

Sammy you are right, but some are too blind to see it. TC is a great championship player but lacks quality in the Premier League. Funny how no top division club has ever made an offer for him, or Ream for that matter. TR is having one good season but has always been prone to mistakes and is slow. He's doing a good job this season though. It will soon be time for them both to go, so I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.

[perry geyton]

Sammy you are right, but some are too blind to see it. TC is a great championship player but lacks quality in the Premier League. Funny how no top division club has ever made an offer for him, or Ream for that matter. TR is having one good season but has always been prone to mistakes and is slow. He's doing a good job this season though. It will soon be time for them both to go, so I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.

Bongo talking out his backside again

[ffcthereligion]

Can one of the usual suspects who reply multiple times to every cairney post defending him please explain what it is about him that they feel so strongly about? The same suspects have been doing so for literally years

[BarryP]

Tc is clearly a lot better than Harrison Reed on the ball . Without the ball ,in press and winning back the ball Reed is by far the better ,and he also covers a lot more ground than Tom. Both players have deficiencies but it seems to me that Marco chooses to go with HR as he gives us better defensive balance. With Tc in that role we are more open when the opposition has the ball.Simple.

I agree Colin. Reed and TC both have roles to play but the qualities that Reed offers better match the style of football Marco designed for the current squad. I don't believe Cairney will start many league matches over Harrison simply because the qualities Harrison offers better match what Marco is looking for the starter in his system. Having said that I do be TC has a big role to play this season.

[Oakeshott]

I don't think I've posted re TC before, but the reason I like him is that after Danny Murphy retired, and until this season's arrivals, he was the best reader of a game in our squad. Also important is that when he shoots, he usually scores.

If TC wasn't so one footed he would have been an absolute top player and likely left us for bigger teams long ago.

[perry geyton]

Can one of the usual suspects who reply multiple times to every cairney post defending him please explain what it is about him that they feel so strongly about? The same suspects have been doing so for literally years

Opposed to people constantly slagging him off you mean ?
Same rules apply to Tim Ream, I've defended him for years against a Berates of insults, same applies to Tom I'll always defend him cos he's quality and if you simply can't see that and what he offers to
This team then you might wanna address your logic

[ffc73]

Both Tim Ream and TC have performed exceptionally well for FFC over many years.
They both have admirable qualities and, like us all, shortcomings.
I will enjoy their continued contributions this season.
However, if we are to consolidate in the Premier League I believe their contribution next season should diminish and we must find replacements for them.
Unfortunately, time is catching up with them but lets enjoy them whilst we have them.

[ChesterTheTabby]

Both Tim Ream and TC have performed exceptionally well for FFC over many years.
They both have admirable qualities and, like us all, shortcomings.
I will enjoy their continued contributions this season.
However, if we are to consolidate in the Premier League I believe their contribution next season should diminish and we must find replacements for them.
Unfortunately, time is catching up with them but lets enjoy them whilst we have them.

Thank you for posting a neutral, rational response. I love both players, they've been incredible servants for the majority of their own careers for us, and stuck through the highs and lows... especially the lows. Yes, their time is coming to an end, but to slander their names is uncalled for.

[Marcel_Gecov]

I think with TC there will come a time soon (probs when Lukic is starting over Reed) where he doesnt become the first sub and has to make do with the last 10 minutes. He will then need to choose whether he wants to play elsewhere or have a bitpart club captain role where he will forever be a fan favourite but wont play very often. He has just turned 32 and as speed has never been a big part of his game he could easily play until his late 30s... but that wont be at prem level. His days starting for us are rightly over and in the summer we will probs sign another midfielder at which point he is the 6th choice midfielder and will be getting similar kind of minutes to what Chalobah was getting... he deserves more than that and will hopefully move on.

Wont be that long before Ream, Cairney and Kebano will no longer be at the club... I had to say goodbye to my fav player Odoi last season and its very painful.

[hovewhite]

FFC73 that is my feeling towards 2 players who have shown Exceptional service to our great club.