When are we getting our first win?

[mangoputney]

With WBA, BRFC, QPR, Everton now all recipents of a win and Stoke, Wolves, Newcastle just riding luck, converting there one chance a game and playing rugby, it really looks like were hanging our hopes on Sunderland remaining turd and Swans and Naarwich becoming wipping boys

When is our first win going to come? Is it all going to be too late? Is Jol gonna get a xmas roasting?

I just cant get my head round how Jol has well and truly cocked us up

I predicted a solid 12th finish (considering change of systems - personnel - teething pains etc)

Although early doors I can't see past 17th being the Holy Grail

Praying and singing for a point tomorrow

[Jimpav]

Bloody hell mate, we are only two points of the Gooners and they look like they are in a much worse place than us.

We should beat QPR but if not we only need to get two more wins between then and new years day to match our performance under Sparky.

What excatly has Jol cocked up?

He's tampered with a defensive partnership and have only let in two goals at home this this season - so I don't see what he has done so badly there.

Going forward he hasn't really changed much other than signed a player that has scored over 30 goals in two seasons - more than Dempsey, Zamora and Aj combined.

On top of this he has signed some young players that are actually starting games.

It's unlikley that we wll get a point tomorrow but we will be comfortably mid table come the end of the season.

[Burt]

Tomorrow.

You heard it here first.

[mangoputney]

Burt loving the optimism, I'll be there

Jimpav, the table does not lie

I agree with Finster, we dont have Jol players for a Jol system, in the prem you cant have too much 'adaption' time... rele battle all year

[Burt]

Burt loving the optimism, I'll be there

Jimpav, the table does not lie

I agree with Finster, we dont have Jol players for a Jol system, in the prem you cant have too much 'adaption' time... rele battle all year

I am half glass full to a fault Mr MangoPutney sir.

I agree the table does not lie, we are bottom, and we are there because our results have been crap.

As all my prior posts indicate that I am in the "give Jol time" camp, I won't regurgitate the reasons why in any depth here, save to say new gaffer...new faces...new tactics...time required.

I hope the energy and passion is there tomorrow. My big worry is that the lack of poke up front will be our undoing.

That said, I will there tomorrow, cheering the whites on as usual, and hoping for a good performance and signs of improvement.

COYW!!

[Mr_Moon]

Never

WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED

[mangoputney]

I'm gonna follow your lead Burt

Jimpav, if we finish above Arsenal I'll eat my FFC shirt!

I fancied 12th - 13th, but thinking 17th - 18th now

Everyone else seems more organised, more focused, picking up points against odds etc etc

I honestly dont think we can rely on home form

COYW tom

[Jimpav]

We're be fine Mango.

Apologies if I sounded a bit strong, but it's very early days.

Today's results haven't helped but what's to say that this might give Jol and the boys a scare and light a fire under their arses.

Think you'll be alright not to eat your shirt but it does go to show that we're not the only ones struggling and we are not cast adrift.

Keep the faith!

[jarv]

It is only 4 games (5 tomorrow) but the problem with the division is if you start this poorly, every game is an uphill battle. The key to survival is to get points on the board as soon as possible. When teams do that, they can even survive a free fall later in the season.

I predicted 40 points by end Feb. Only 5 games in (Chelsea up next) and I think that is already looking extremely difficult. I said in an earlier post, 12 games in could see as little as 11 points on the board. That is RELEGATION form.

Also, we keep playing on Sunday after this bloody Euro thing. WHY WHY WHY did Jol not just play the reserves in the qualifiers?? The qualifiers against non league standard opposition doesn't cut it as a pre-season.

I think Fulham will survive but it is going to be difficult. Last 2 seasons, west ham and newcastle relegated. You could argue they are of a similar squad and standard as Fulham. What took them dowm? Bloody poor management!   Mr. Jol? 063.gif

[zzamora]

Unless we improve, and SOON, it could be a long season ahead.

heres to our first win over....qpr.

[AlFayedsChequebook]

Concrete conclusions can be drawn after 10 games, is that not what Roy always said?

At the moment it looks bad, and will only get worse tomorrow, but the way to look at it is that as of Mon, things can only really get better

[MJG]

Concrete conclusions can be drawn after 10 games, is that not what Roy always said?

At the moment it looks bad, and will only get worse tomorrow, but the way to look at it is that as of Mon, things can only really get better

Then Chelsea on Wed(ok its the cup), maybe from Thursday it will get better.

[Jimpav]

Spurs were on 2 points until November in 2008 but only just lost out on qualifying for Europe (can't remember who beat them to 7th place but they were a class act).

Granted they sacked Ramos but we still have a few games before we reach that low.

[AlFayedsChequebook]

Concrete conclusions can be drawn after 10 games, is that not what Roy always said?

At the moment it looks bad, and will only get worse tomorrow, but the way to look at it is that as of Mon, things can only really get better

Then Chelsea on Wed(ok its the cup), maybe from Thursday it will get better.

i think we have a good shout against chelsea

[MJG]

Concrete conclusions can be drawn after 10 games, is that not what Roy always said?

At the moment it looks bad, and will only get worse tomorrow, but the way to look at it is that as of Mon, things can only really get better

Then Chelsea on Wed(ok its the cup), maybe from Thursday it will get better.

i think we have a good shout against chelsea

Are you basing that on the chance that Chelsea rest a load of players? Because we have not shown anything to say we can beat them over 90 mins.