Stockdale on the way out?

[Senior Supporter]

I wonder whether that is what's behind this decision.

It's not a 'decision'; it's something that someone has put on twitter.


As London Underground keep reminding us: 'Mind The Gap' (between perception and reality).

Yes, I stand corrected. I misread the original post.

[EJL]

Craig Gordon is available.... :005:

Poor Craig Gordon. Fantastic at Hearts but so unlucky with injuries since then.

[DiegoFulham]

I feel that comment by Stockdale was tongue-in-cheek.

perhaps due to his/Briggs loan move  from Hull/Bristol City expire in January the article supports the fact they're transfer listed for a loan?

[Forever Fulham]

I think Stockdale is an excellent keeper.  What the heck is going on? MS isn't playing at the level he played last season in my book.  Is it the baby face?  Is that it? 

[JBH]

Must be true if its on Twitter!!  fp.gif fp.gif fp.gif

[TonyGilroy]

Is there such a thing as a transfer list these days? That's a relic of the old retain and transfer system. Transfers can only happen in a window anyway.

Etheridge has been on loan getting game time and now it's Stockdale's turn. His form will be monitored.

I think the transfer window has done players like Stockdale no good. He will get a chance if Schwarzer is injured or his form dips badly but apart from that it's a big ask for Jol to go into September or February with an untried keeper as number one with inadequate back up.

Jol clearly will have Schwarzer's age as a consideration and the way he treated Murphy shows that he's not scared of telling a senior player that his days as a first team regular are over but if the choice is Stockdale or recruiting an established keeper like Steklenburg I know what I'd do.

[White Noise]

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/story-17425586-detail/story.html


David Stockdale: Hull City move 'is my big chance'




Monday, November 26, 2012

Hull Daily Mail



HULL City's new signing David Stockdale will keep an open mind over his long-term future as he bids to seize his golden chance for regular first-team football with the Tigers.

Stockdale switched to the KC Stadium last Thursday on a six-week loan deal from Fulham and did not have long to wait for his debut when replacing Ben Amos in goal for City's 1-0 loss to Burnley on Saturday.



David Stockdale beats Burnley's Charlie Austin to the ball


The temporary move has been designed to give the 27-year-old much-needed action as well as proposing a solution to the Tigers' goalkeeping problems.

City boss Steve Bruce has not ruled out a January move for Stockdale if a deal can be struck and the one-time England squad member is ruling nothing out.

"If I do well here you never know what could happen in the future," said Stockdale, whose Fulham deal runs until June 2015.

"It's a terrific opportunity for me because I have been struggling to get games in the Premier League because we have been doing so well at Fulham, who are wanting me to stay and hopefully take Mark Schwarzer's gloves when he has finished.

"There were a couple of other clubs but I knew straightaway that I would come here. I said yes straightaway.

"If someone says 'Hull City are in for you' you know who Hull City are, and that's no disrespect to other teams, because they have done well in recent years and with a manager like Steve Bruce it shows where the club wants to go."

Although Fulham have inserted a recall option into Stockdale's loan deal, he is expected to remain with the Tigers at least until January 2, a window of opportunity that could see him start a further eight games.

A debut against Burnley brought mixed emotions for the Leeds-born keeper.

Although a first competitive game for nine months saw him praised by Bruce, he was unable to prevent Dean Marney's first-half strike condemning the Tigers to a 1-0 loss.

"It's been nearly a year since I last played and it is frustrating but to be able to come out to a club like this, a manager like this and a team like this highlights how far they want to go and I was happy to join.

"You don't want to go into a game looking a little bit sloppy so I was nearly match sharp but I felt a bit rusty in the first 10 minutes, especially when the first shot had a little swerve on it and hit me in the chest.

"I thought 'no, it's going to be one of them days' but as soon it happened I thought let's get back in the game."

A fingertip save to deny Ross Wallace from distance showcased Stockdale's talents on his debut but it was a game to forget for City.

"We've learned that we can't play bad in the first half and okay in the second and expect to get something out of a game," he said.

"As a defensive unit a couple of lapses in concentration cost us the goal. It's how we fight back that counts but we didn't react like we should have done.

"If you look at the chances we created in the second half we could have got a point which may have been a bit harsh on Burnley, but you have to scrape a point here and there even when you are not playing well."

[FC Silver Fox]

Twitter seems an excellent name for this social media exchange.  Twits just seem to twitter on about things they know absolutely nothing about.
Stockdale has always played well whenever he has been called on to step in to the 1st team. He has been selected to play for England and has great potential.  He's then been dropped just because MS has got back to fitness. Our goalkeeper is 40 (or close to it) for goodness sake. Given his performance last Saturday and over recent months, he is losing his sharpness. Don't get me wrong, I think he's been superb for Fulham. What happened to Murphy is now happening to Schwarzer. Age is catching up on him. We have an excellent replacement in the wings who has been extremely patient and now deserves his opportunity to make his mark in the Premiership. Furthermore, he won't cost us a penny and we can dedicate our financial resources elsewhere.   If Stockdale is given this opportunity, I'm sure we'll also see him selected in the England squad within a year. Its not as if we have a glut of great English keepers, is it?
That's my opinion anyway.

[TonyGilroy]

Stockdale's Englishness is an irrelevance. Hart apart, there are no top quality English keepers even if Stockdale might be the best of the rest.

Playing at Hull he has an opportunity to impress Jol and be match fit if Schwarzer gets injured or Jol feels that he needs to be replaced.

My bet is though that in January or in the summer that an experienced European keeper will arrive. If Stockdale had convinced Jol he'd be playing by now.

[Forever Fulham]

I have to take issue with the claim that there are no quality English keepers.  What about Robinson, Foster, or James?   I've watched Stockdale on a number of occasions.  He's a quality goalkeeper.  I've heard this argument before: That Britain looks to North America for keepers because, as children, they play more hand-oriented sports, activities developing superior eye-hand coordination, manual dexterity, diving, lunging, and all that.   Nonsense.   That's more of an argument in favor of the alleged benefits of cross training.  English boys who want to play in goal work just as hard, with equal or better training.   So, I don't buy the theory you have to go to a 'hands nation' to find your keeper.   I think some quality domestic product is being undeservedly passed over.  I do think that managers are a superstitious lot, especially when it comes to keepers.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and all that.  But that's the thing about goalies--the skills don't erode overnight.  They do so slowly, almost imperceptibly.  But the net net of it all is that you don't have the reflexes and, for instance, lateral burst quickness at 37 that you had at 27.  The best you can hope for  is that you have gained so much football IQ, spatial awareness, and muscle memory that you can compensate for Father Time.   How else does one explain Brad Friedel?  There are little 'tells' in Schwarzer's reactions and movements that, to me at least, suggest a little erosion in reaction time.  Is it enough to bring on Stockdale?  Maybe not yet. But soon.

[RidgeRider]

Never really rated Stockdale. He was/is a good back-up keeper but he would not be a good first XI keeper. If he would be so exceptional, why has no English club come for him knowing that he has barely any opportunity to play at Fulham?

agree with this...he has done well when he has been given a chance, but never exceptional that I recall.

[Lighthouse]

I would play him now as Swart is like the rest of our back four. In need of a rest.

[FC Silver Fox]

One of the joys of this forum is the fact you can have a sensible discussion of differing opinions and viewpoints without people insulting each other. Thank you all whether you contributed to the discussion or just read the thread.  :54:

[Bassey the warrior]

Stocky admitted the club want him to take over from Mark. You can see it in the Wednesday round up. So that clears that up.

[michaelread]

it seems to be that everyone from the UK rates stockdale and wants him to stay, while everyone from overseas thinks he isn't good enough to be our long term keeper? i wonder why that is?  :wum:


In all seriousness, I don't think you become a better team by going backwards in key positions, and Stockdale is going backwards. He's good, but just not good enough, for me. Time to buy up.

[Mr Fulham]

it seems to be that everyone from the UK rates stockdale and wants him to stay, while everyone from overseas thinks he isn't good enough to be our long term keeper? i wonder why that is?  :wum:


In all seriousness, I don't think you become a better team by going backwards in key positions, and Stockdale is going backwards. He's good, but just not good enough, for me. Time to buy up.

I wonder why he's "backwards"? He's been nothing but exceptional for us. His distribution is better. He's a better footballer. Look at modern goalkeepers, look at Manuel Neuer or Hugo Lloris - distribution is one of the most important factors nowadays. Schwarzer is possibly the worst footballer in the Premier League. Stockdale is fantastic on the line (just as Schwarzer) and he's been steady when it comes to crosses. I don't understand all this "to hell with Stockdale" at the moment. He deserves his chance - Schwarzer is not as good as he was last year, and last year he was not as good as he was the year before.

And no, I'm not from England.

[sipwell]

I don't understand all this "to hell with Stockdale" at the moment. He deserves his chance - Schwarzer is not as good as he was last year, and last year he was not as good as he was the year before.

I don't think anyone says "to hell with Stockdale". He is a good keeper. I just can't understand that, if he is better than Schwarzer, why hasn't he played. And, if he is so good, why has no other Prem club come to buy him but instead pay silly money for foreign keepers?

[michaelread]

it seems to be that everyone from the UK rates stockdale and wants him to stay, while everyone from overseas thinks he isn't good enough to be our long term keeper? i wonder why that is?  :wum:


In all seriousness, I don't think you become a better team by going backwards in key positions, and Stockdale is going backwards. He's good, but just not good enough, for me. Time to buy up.

I wonder why he's "backwards"? He's been nothing but exceptional for us. His distribution is better. He's a better footballer. Look at modern goalkeepers, look at Manuel Neuer or Hugo Lloris - distribution is one of the most important factors nowadays. Schwarzer is possibly the worst footballer in the Premier League. Stockdale is fantastic on the line (just as Schwarzer) and he's been steady when it comes to crosses. I don't understand all this "to hell with Stockdale" at the moment. He deserves his chance - Schwarzer is not as good as he was last year, and last year he was not as good as he was the year before.

And no, I'm not from England.

the england/non england thing was very tongue in cheek, been playing that card with HatterDon for years now.

I think stockdale is backwards for us. I think, in order to progress, we need to improve in key areas, and I don't think that Stockdale is an improvement on Schwarzer. I don't believe in the philosophy of playing someone because you have them and they'll do. I think our best bet is to sell Stocko on and bring someone in who is better, keeping mark on as a player/coach, as it seems his family are very settled now. That is just my opinion, but, my opinion of Stockdale also seems to be shared by Roy Hodgson, and Martin Jol, two men who, again in my opinon, know their stuff. Mark Hughes too, but he can..well you know.

Don't get me wrong here, I am a stockdale fan. My best mate is a Hull fanatic and I told him with all confidence that Stockdale will shine for him. Schwarzer may lack the footballing skills that are fast becoming a necessity in the premier league for a top goalkeeper, but he is an inspirational player who pulls of big plays and has big games when they are needed. He commands his troops VERY well, and as someone who has sat behind him in goals for our national team plenty of times, he makes sure his defenders know what is going on. The three times I watched stockdale live, he didn't have that same aura. Mark IS declining, of course, but I don't think he has declined past stockdale yet, and I hope we get someone in that is better than the both of them at this current point, in order for us to progress forward.

[michaelread]

I don't understand all this "to hell with Stockdale" at the moment. He deserves his chance - Schwarzer is not as good as he was last year, and last year he was not as good as he was the year before.

I don't think anyone says "to hell with Stockdale". He is a good keeper. I just can't understand that, if he is better than Schwarzer, why hasn't he played. And, if he is so good, why has no other Prem club come to buy him but instead pay silly money for foreign keepers?

Pretty much, sipwell, you sum it up perfectly for me. He obviously doesn't have what everyone seems to think he has. I would hazard a guess that those who are in the football coaching circles would know a lot more about him than we do, and if he's still sitting on the bench for us with no interest bar the championship, he's obviously not got what it takes.

I'd LOVE to be proven wrong though. Love to.

[Bassey the warrior]

it seems to be that everyone from the UK rates stockdale and wants him to stay, while everyone from overseas thinks he isn't good enough to be our long term keeper? i wonder why that is?  :wum:


In all seriousness, I don't think you become a better team by going backwards in key positions, and Stockdale is going backwards. He's good, but just not good enough, for me. Time to buy up.

I wonder why he's "backwards"? He's been nothing but exceptional for us. His distribution is better. He's a better footballer. Look at modern goalkeepers, look at Manuel Neuer or Hugo Lloris - distribution is one of the most important factors nowadays. Schwarzer is possibly the worst footballer in the Premier League. Stockdale is fantastic on the line (just as Schwarzer) and he's been steady when it comes to crosses. I don't understand all this "to hell with Stockdale" at the moment. He deserves his chance - Schwarzer is not as good as he was last year, and last year he was not as good as he was the year before.

And no, I'm not from England.

Exceptional isn't the word. Distribution better yes, handling a bit better. Positioning and command of area and communication are inferior though. Schwarzer is the better player. But I have a feeling this will be Mark's last season with us. Schwarzer is the worst footballer in the league? I hope this is tongue in cheek.