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Interesting read re. Lawro and his predictions

Started by Jimpav, May 22, 2013, 09:36:58 PM

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Jimpav


How good are Lawro's predictions?

22 May 2013 Updated 10:02
By Ben Carter - Radio 4's More or Less

Over the course of the Premier League season, BBC Sport football pundit Mark Lawrenson has pitted his predicting wits against the likes of Hulk Hogan,Goran Ivanisevic and Lethal Bizzle.
After predicting a total of 379 results (he did not make a prediction before the rearranged Chelsea v Reading game on 22 August), the final table according to Lawro is below.

The last column on the right shows how many places higher or lower each team finished in this table compared to the actual Premier League standings.
According to the predictions, Sir Alex Ferguson would have bowed out by leading his Manchester United side through an unbeaten Premier League season with a record 96 points.
QPR fans would have been rejoicing at finishing in eighth position with 56 points (31 more than they actually accrued), whereas poor Swansea City would have been relegated.
Nonetheless, Lawro's overall record is quite impressive. If you had made bets based on his predictions this season, you would actually have made more money than if you had staked your cash on the results calculated as most likely by the bookmakers.
The ex-Liverpool defender turned BBC football expert correctly predicted 200 of the 379 results (win, lose or draw), giving a 52.77% success rate. The bookmakers successfully predicted 199 correct results (ie the home win, draw and away win result with the shortest odds), giving a success rate of 52.36%.

If you had put £1 on the shortest odds offered by the bookies in each of the 380 games (ie the result they thought most likely), then you would have lost £28.91 over the course of the season. If you had put £1 on all 379 results Lawro predicted, you would have made £18.60.
What would have happened if you had applied a fixed formula to your predictions though?
One simple method would have been to predict a home win for every match as this is, on average, the most likely result during the course of a season. This result occurred 43.42% of the time (165 times out of 380), so it would not have beaten Lawro.
You could add a level of sophistication, by predicting a home win for each of the teams except when they are facing one of the top five. So when the top five were playing away against sides in sixth to 20th positions, you would predict an away win. When two top five sides play each other,you predict a home win.

This would have given the correct result 50.53% of the time, which still means Lawro would have come out on top.

However, the former Liverpool and Republic of Ireland defender (external) still has some way to go to please all of his followers.
Julian Adamson contacted BBC Sport to say he and some friends found Lawro's predictions so predictable that they played a game called 'Predicting Lawro's Predictions'.
Julian argued that Lawro used only three results for most of his predictions: 1-1, 2-1 and 2-0. And the statistics do largely bear this out. Lawro only predicted that a side would score three goals in 17 of his 758 predictions (2.24%), whereas this actually happened 120 times (15.78%).
And he did not predict that a side would score four goals or more in any of the 379 games. In reality, this happened 43 times out of the 760 individual scores (5.66%).
Lawro does not really go for away wins. He predicted that eight teams (Aston Villa, Fulham, Norwich, Reading, Southampton, Swansea, West Brom and West Ham) would not win ANY of their away fixtures this season. In fact, Villa, Swansea and West Brom all won more away games (five) than sixth-placed Everton (four).
He predicted that Fulham and West Brom would lose EVERY away game (scoring only four and six goals respectively), and drew the ire of Southampton fans by predicting they would lose 15 straight games at one stage of the season (external).
Lawrenson says: "It's meant to be a bit of fun, although I've lost count of the number of times a fan has stopped me outside a ground to say 'your predictions are rubbish'.
"I respond by saying 'if I could successfully predict all the results, do you really think I'd be here? I'd be on a yacht in the Caribbean drinking a gin and tonic'."
He admits he does not usually employ a strategy for predicting results, preferring to use "gut instinct". Saying that, he was not surprised by some of our findings.
"I probably only go for away wins for the top half dozen teams, because teams below them don't win too many away games. And perhaps I don't predict drubbings because I don't want to upset fans of the losing side.

"The first 10 weeks of the season are probably the trickiest, because you don't have too much idea about form at that stage.
"You've also got to remember that I do the predictions on a Thursday, to go up on the website on a Friday, which means I don't know all the injury news at the time. So I'm delighted to hear I've beaten the bookies, because in my experience they don't get too many things wrong."
Additional reporting by Simon Austin
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grandad

Why were his predictions so very consistently wrong for Us, Swansea & QPR. Surely as the season unfolded he must of realised that the Hahas were doomed.
In spite of him "beating " the bookies I still think he is rubbish. It´s good for a laugh I suppose.
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HatterDon

Have a look at where he stands in Logicalman's picking pool. He's been better than 90 percent of us.
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Jimpav

Quote from: HatterDon on May 22, 2013, 10:37:07 PM
Have a look at where he stands in Logicalman's picking pool. He's been better than 90 percent of us.

He's no doubt accurate and better than the bookies but in doing so he has played the long game - ie . Man U to win or draw every game and us to not win a single away game. More often than not this is correct but the QPR thing left me scratching my head.

WhiteJC

Lawro's Predictions 2012/13 Season


Lawro Result
Fulham 2-1 Norwich Fulham 5-0 Norwich
Man Utd 3-0 Fulham   Man Utd 3-2 Fulham 
West Ham 2-1 Fulham  West Ham 3-0 Fulham
Fulham 2-1 West Brom  Fulham 3-0 West Brom
Wigan 2-1 Fulham   Wigan 1-2 Fulham 
Fulham 0-2 Man City  Fulham 1-2 Man City
Southampton 2-0 Fulham   Southampton 2-2 Fulham 
Fulham 2-1 Aston Villa Fulham 1-0 Aston Villa
Reading 2-1 Fulham   Reading 3-3 Fulham   
Fulham 1-2 Everton  Fulham 2-2 Everton 
Arsenal 2-0 Fulham   Arsenal 3-3 Fulham 
Fulham 1-1 Sunderland  Fulham 1-3 Sunderland
Stoke 2-0 Fulham   Stoke 1-0 Fulham 
Chelsea 2-0 Fulham   Chelsea 0-0 Fulham 
Fulham 1-1 Spurs  Fulham 0-3 Spurs 
Fulham 2-1 Newcastle  Fulham 2-1 Newcastle
QPA 2-0 Fulham  QPA 2-1 Fulham
Liverpool 2-0 Fulham   Liverpool 4-0 Fulham 
Fulham 2-0 Southampton  Fulham 1-1 Southampton
Fulham 2-0 Swansea  Fulham 1-2 Swansea
West Brom 2-0 Fulham   West Brom 1-2 Fulham 
Fulham 2-0 Blackpool  Fulham 1-1 Blackpool
Fulham 1-1 Wigan  Fulham 1-1 Wigan
Man City 3-0 Fulham   Man City 2-0 Fulham 
Man Utd 2-0 Fulham  (FA Cup)   Man Utd 4-1 Fulham 
Fulham 1-1 West Ham  Fulham 3-1 West Ham
Fulham 1-2 Man Utd  Fulham 0-1 Man Utd
Norwich 1-1 Fulham   Norwich 0-0 Fulham 
Fulham 2-1 Stoke  Fulham 1-0 Stoke
Sunderland 2-1 Fulham   Sunderland 2-2 Fulham 
Spurs 2-0 Fulham   Spurs 0-1 Fulham 
Fulham 2-0 QPR  Fulham 3-2 QPR
Newcastle 2-0 Fulham   Newcastle 1-0 Fulham 
Aston Villa 2-1 Fulham   Aston Villa 1-1 Fulham 
Fulham x-x Chelsea  Fulham 0-3 Chelsea
Fulham 1-2 Arsenal  Fulham 0-1 Arsenal
Everton 2-0 Fulham   Everton 1-0 Fulham 
Fulham 2-0 Reading  Fulham 2-4 Reading
Fulham 2-1 Liverpool  Fulham 1-3 Liverpool
Swansea 2-0 Fulham   Swansea 0-3 Fulham