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The Reality Of Ruiz

Started by fulhams_finest, August 27, 2013, 11:03:45 PM

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fulhams_finest

He was not worth any where near 10 million and has been a huge disappointment, the 10 mil could have spent on a much better player and he should be embarrassed of his price tag perhaps the worst signing since Marlet!

MJG

Or how has a player who scored 30 goals (ok in the dutch lge but still a decent level of play) has been turned into a player who seems scared of his own shadow and could not find a barn door, let alone try to hit it.

btings

I am very confused by people's perceptions of how Ruiz played.


Jack Fulham

#3
I think Ruiz is a class player but clearly not suited to the pace of English football. Far more suited to the continental game where you get a bit more time and space on the ball. A bit of confidence will do him some good.

bill taylors apprentice

Quote from: Jack Fulham on August 27, 2013, 11:12:26 PM
I think Ruiz is a class player but clearly not suited to the pace of English football. Far more suited to the continental game where you get a bit more time and space on the ball.

If you cant do the business in the PL, you will only ever be 2nd class at best!

Ordar

This is his third season in England and he hasn't adapted at all. We should just cut our losses.

His performance in the first half tonight, against League 2 opposition was incredibly poor. He was easily the worst player on the pitch


Jack Fulham

Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 27, 2013, 11:15:49 PM
Quote from: Jack Fulham on August 27, 2013, 11:12:26 PM
I think Ruiz is a class player but clearly not suited to the pace of English football. Far more suited to the continental game where you get a bit more time and space on the ball.

If you cant do the business in the PL, you will only ever be 2nd class

Ruiz can do the business in the PL, had some great performances for us and contributes a decent amount of assists. Just hasn't justified his price tag. Was only saying he's more suited to the continental game which is true.

CanadianCottager

One of many players who underperformed tonight. Chalk it up to recovering confidence and match fitness. I expect both him and Dejagah will only improve as the season goes on

Chutney

Quote from: Ordar on August 27, 2013, 11:17:30 PM
This is his third season in England and he hasn't adapted at all. We should just cut our losses.

His performance in the first half tonight, against League 2 opposition was incredibly poor. He was easily the worst player on the pitch

The worst player on the pitch who also created our goal. This is the dilemma.
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fulhamben

Quote from: Chutney on August 27, 2013, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: Ordar on August 27, 2013, 11:17:30 PM
This is his third season in England and he hasn't adapted at all. We should just cut our losses.

His performance in the first half tonight, against League 2 opposition was incredibly poor. He was easily the worst player on the pitch

The worst player on the pitch who also created our goal. This is the dilemma.
was behind most of our best chances too. and wouldnt say worse, parker couldnt pick a forwards pass to save his life, although to be fair he was probably dizzy from all his little spins he likes to do.
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.

Ordar

Taarabt made the goal totally himself. I think it's very generous to say that Ruiz assisted him. It was a simple pass to the wing

fulhamben

Quote from: Ordar on August 27, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Taarabt made the goal totally himself. I think it's very generous to say that Ruiz assisted him. It was a simple pass to the wing
if berbatov gets one for a saved shot then im sure ruiz will get one for slotting him in
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.


Barrie

Didn't Ruiz have an assist too with the Albion 2nd?  I'd like to see us move him on.

btings

Well, I'll just leave this here and then show myself out.

I thought, by a good margin, Ruiz was our best offensive player.  Nearly all of whatever effective attacking moves we had were started by him, including the first goal.  He played a number of clever through balls, including a really nasty one around 55-60' that Bent and Kaca should have done better with.  His passing was aggressive, and he made runs into the box off the ball.

There is a lot of talk about "confidence" and how he looks "scared" on the pitch.  I don't understand what this means.  Ruiz rarely shows emotion of any sort other than the occasional grimace, but any attempt to interpret this as some sort of insight into his mentality is cultural projection at best.

One word about Taraabt, because in the first half, Taraabt was obviously the spark for a lot of movement.  Taraabt is the sort of skilled on-the-ball player who ought to dismantle League 2 opposition, and if we'd kept him on we probably would have won.  But he's also the kid on your 6 year-old's team who dribbles too much and only works to create his own shot, because he thinks he can score from anywhere.  (He can, just maybe not as frequently as he thinks.)  I think Taraabt is a valuable asset and a useful weapon, and he adds something Fulham has lacked recently, but there's no evidence yet that he can create for anybody else on the team.

fulhamben

Quote from: Barrie on August 27, 2013, 11:31:23 PM
Didn't Ruiz have an assist too with the Albion 2nd?  I'd like to see us move him on.
no id give a big clap for riise letting his man have a free header though. dont get the ruiz bashing, he was behind all our good moves. yet the bubble and parker get over run by a third division team and prove they are not the players to get the ball going forward yet they are the mustard.
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.


CanadianCottager

Quote from: btings on August 27, 2013, 11:31:56 PM
Well, I'll just leave this here and then show myself out.

I thought, by a good margin, Ruiz was our best offensive player.  Nearly all of whatever effective attacking moves we had were started by him, including the first goal.  He played a number of clever through balls, including a really nasty one around 55-60' that Bent and Kaca should have done better with.  His passing was aggressive, and he made runs into the box off the ball.

There is a lot of talk about "confidence" and how he looks "scared" on the pitch.  I don't understand what this means.  Ruiz rarely shows emotion of any sort other than the occasional grimace, but any attempt to interpret this as some sort of insight into his mentality is cultural projection at best.

One word about Taraabt, because in the first half, Taraabt was obviously the spark for a lot of movement.  Taraabt is the sort of skilled on-the-ball player who ought to dismantle League 2 opposition, and if we'd kept him on we probably would have won.  But he's also the kid on your 6 year-old's team who dribbles too much and only works to create his own shot, because he thinks he can score from anywhere.  (He can, just maybe not as frequently as he thinks.)  I think Taraabt is a valuable asset and a useful weapon, and he adds something Fulham has lacked recently, but there's no evidence yet that he can create for anybody else on the team.
Boo, take your well-reasoned opinion elsewhere, only short snarky snipes at Fulham players are allowed on this board

fulhamben

Quote from: btings on August 27, 2013, 11:31:56 PM
Well, I'll just leave this here and then show myself out.

I thought, by a good margin, Ruiz was our best offensive player.  Nearly all of whatever effective attacking moves we had were started by him, including the first goal.  He played a number of clever through balls, including a really nasty one around 55-60' that Bent and Kaca should have done better with.  His passing was aggressive, and he made runs into the box off the ball.

There is a lot of talk about "confidence" and how he looks "scared" on the pitch.  I don't understand what this means.  Ruiz rarely shows emotion of any sort other than the occasional grimace, but any attempt to interpret this as some sort of insight into his mentality is cultural projection at best.

One word about Taraabt, because in the first half, Taraabt was obviously the spark for a lot of movement.  Taraabt is the sort of skilled on-the-ball player who ought to dismantle League 2 opposition, and if we'd kept him on we probably would have won.  But he's also the kid on your 6 year-old's team who dribbles too much and only works to create his own shot, because he thinks he can score from anywhere.  (He can, just maybe not as frequently as he thinks.)  I think Taraabt is a valuable asset and a useful weapon, and he adds something Fulham has lacked recently, but there's no evidence yet that he can create for anybody else on the team.
agreed. ruiz was the only one trying to get the ball going forwards for a lot of the second half.
CHRIS MARTIN IS SO BAD,  WE NOW PRAISE HIM FOR MAKING A RUN.

Jack Fulham

Quote from: Barrie on August 27, 2013, 11:31:23 PM
Didn't Ruiz have an assist too with the Albion 2nd?  I'd like to see us move him on.

Are you talking about the pass to Kacaniklic vs West Bromwich Albion last season? :54:


Berbasilk_111

I honestly think it is a combination of Jols poor management, playing Ruiz so deep that he can't hurt the opposition as well as Ruiz's alarming lack of belief in his own ability that has made him into the shadow of a player that he was at Twente, I am certain he will not cut it at Fulham whilst Jol is manager..

Chutney

Honestly, going forward, ruiz was one of our best players today. Plenty of effective through balls even with the lack of movement off the ball from the other forward players.

The blame ruiz attitude needs to stop.
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