The young lad Dembele

[the nutflush]

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

Jols got more chance of flying to the moon in his BMW than getting us 40 points. 

[FFC1987]

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

Jols got more chance of flying to the moon in his BMW than getting us 40 points. 

Again, i'm not 'For' Mr Jol but......I know what you mean, he's never achieved it before......Not even with us either.

It's far too easy (and in my opinion fickle) to simply blame Jol solely for our current downfall.

[ron]

It might be easier to integrate the academy players and give them playing time if we had a winning team.

..but then again, we might not have a losing team if we did....?

[the nutflush]

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

Jols got more chance of flying to the moon in his BMW than getting us 40 points.  

Again, i'm not 'For' Mr Jol but......I know what you mean, he's never achieved it before......Not even with us either.

It's far too easy (and in my opinion fickle) to simply blame Jol solely for our current downfall.

So who do you blame?  Do you not agree that personnel changes need to be made?  Somethings got to change otherwise this ship is sunk.  All these 'Jol outers' are not clutching at straws here.  If we don't do something different to what we've been doing for the last season and a half we are gone.  So we have to show Jol the door this week.  

[WayneKerrins]

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

Got to love a youngish fan who still thinks Jol can conjure 30 points from this team for the rest of the season. There is simply no basis for that statement: none.

[FFC1987]

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

Jols got more chance of flying to the moon in his BMW than getting us 40 points.  

Again, i'm not 'For' Mr Jol but......I know what you mean, he's never achieved it before......Not even with us either.

It's far too easy (and in my opinion fickle) to simply blame Jol solely for our current downfall.

So who do you blame?  Do you not agree that personnel changes need to be made?  Somethings got to change otherwise this ship is sunk.  All these 'Jol outers' are not clutching at straws here.  If we don't do something different to what we've been doing for the last season and a half we are gone.  So we have to show Jol the door this week.  

I'll stick to my guns and say, things need to change indeed. Whether it's Jol who impliments the changes or the new manager and gets us points on the board I couldn't care. I never said people don't have a valid point regarding Jol out but some of the things he's being blamed for is ludicrous. There is far more wrong with current dealings at teh club that just Mr Jol but ultimately it's his job to put points on the board. Subsequently, we aren't so.....Read into that what you will of my opinion.

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

[FFC1987]

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

Got to love a youngish fan who still thinks Jol can conjure 30 points from this team for the rest of the season. There is simply no basis for that statement: none.

Got to love a debate when someone has to try and justify something with the age of someone. Most counterproductive argument you can use. Hats off to you though. In your infinite wisdom I will simply succumb to your clearly thought out argument.

To get to my point, is it the team can't conjure up 30 points or just Jol stopping them? I think this team should be able to get 40 points. I can't see how that's conceded.

[the nutflush]

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

Got to love a youngish fan who still thinks Jol can conjure 30 points from this team for the rest of the season. There is simply no basis for that statement: none.

Got to love a debate when someone has to try and justify something with the age of someone. Most counterproductive argument you can use. Hats off to you though. In your infinite wisdom I will simply succumb to your clearly thought out argument.

To get to my point, is it the team can't conjure up 30 points or just Jol stopping them? I think this team should be able to get 40 points. I can't see how that's conceded.

I'm not having a go at you mate I'm just trying to understand your reasoning.  You have to bear in mind that this is a team largely assembled by Jol.  Go throught the lineup we put out on the weekend.  Other than Sidwell and Senderos they are all Jols boys.  In my opinion the bucks got to stop with the gaffer. 

[FFC1987]

It could definitly be worse. We could be 20th with nil points on the board and getting smashed every game.

That's like telling the family of a traffic victim, "At least he wasn't cut in half by an Exocet missile."

Well not really. Its the truth. We could be in a worse position and yet I keep hearing the phase 'It couldn't get much worse' It certainly can and acting like its impossible for our team to pick up points is counterproductive and remains to be seen. With or without Jol, this team can get 40 points plus.

Got to love a youngish fan who still thinks Jol can conjure 30 points from this team for the rest of the season. There is simply no basis for that statement: none.

Got to love a debate when someone has to try and justify something with the age of someone. Most counterproductive argument you can use. Hats off to you though. In your infinite wisdom I will simply succumb to your clearly thought out argument.

To get to my point, is it the team can't conjure up 30 points or just Jol stopping them? I think this team should be able to get 40 points. I can't see how that's conceded.

I'm not having a go at you mate I'm just trying to understand your reasoning.  You have to bear in mind that this is a team largely assembled by Jol.  Go throught the lineup we put out on the weekend.  Other than Sidwell and Senderos they are all Jols boys.  In my opinion the bucks got to stop with the gaffer. 

That wasn't aimed at you :) Our debate is decent! Someone piped up about my age (I'm 26) seemed inappropriate and counterproductive to the discussion.

Like I said, his job is to achieve points, he isn't. It's defending the indefensibile but like I said as well, some things he's getting blamed for are quite daft! I think whoever is in charge needs to put points on the board and still, I couldn't care who because of the current prediciment!

[epsomraver]

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some things he's getting blamed for are quite daft! I think whoever is in charge needs to put points on the board and still, I couldn't care who because of the current prediciment!

For instance? and who do you think has caused this situation to unfold then?

[FFC1987]

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some things he's getting blamed for are quite daft! I think whoever is in charge needs to put points on the board and still, I couldn't care who because of the current prediciment!

For instance? and who do you think has caused this situation to unfold then?

I've read that he is to blame for Youths leaving the club.....when they haven't even left yet for instance. I've read he's the reason why certain players wouldn't join the club (like Defoe) and i've read he's been fully backed in terms of investment. I've read he's unworkable and has a bad attitude with his players who all seem to openly like him (most of them) I simply can not believe all of this and see some parts of it as conjecture. Call me cynical but I don't think a well ran club like us could run like this.

I think underinvestment from the club have a part to play. I feel the players need a good portion of the blame also. I think Jol has a very significant portion indeed and am not offloading this BUT like I said, *some* things hes being blamed for are off key in my opinion.

[WayneKerrins]

Labeling, incorrectly, a fellow fan as smug was puerile.
I absolutely cannot see another 30 points from this team with Jol in charge. My point being that the manager does influence outcomes...in this scenario, negatively.
You clearly feel that with Jol at the helm another 30 points is achievable. I don't, I doubt if many others do and I would respectfully suggest there is scant evidence to support such a view.

[FFC1987]

Labeling, incorrectly, a fellow fan as smug was puerile.
I absolutely cannot see another 30 points from this team with Jol in charge. My point being that the manager does influence outcomes...in this scenario, negatively.
You clearly feel that with Jol at the helm another 30 points is achievable. I don't, I doubt if many others do and I would respectfully suggest there is scant evidence to support such a view.

That's the impression I got on a very old post and I stick by it. Regardless of how 'incorrect' you think it is, doing a 'I told you so' post can only be considered in a smug tone, in my humble opinion. Nothing wrong with posying it, nothing wrong with pointing it out.

You assert it is not possible for Jol and this team and pitch together another 30 pts. I think it is *possible* but not impossible as you would have me believe. I see it currently as improbable but still possible. I have always been consistent with asserting that this can only happen if some sort of change occurs. You also place me at the helm of a debate where I am 'pro Jol'. A quick glance of most of my posts and a facebook posting dating back to 2010 would suggest I've supported Jol and not fuly blamed him for *Everything* whilst also maintaining an element of a skeptical nature of some of his onfield tactics. (also slating him in the early days where I thought I saw complete regression but he turned it around)

As ever, I stick to the fence, someone pick up points, Jol either needs to change to achieve this (if he can) or we gamble and bring someone else in who we think can. The last point I make it this team on paper apparently should achieve better things, maybe the palyers we have just aren't up to it. This again falls on Jol.

[gerrys]

Labeling, incorrectly, a fellow fan as smug was puerile.
I absolutely cannot see another 30 points from this team with Jol in charge. My point being that the manager does influence outcomes...in this scenario, negatively.
You clearly feel that with Jol at the helm another 30 points is achievable. I don't, I doubt if many others do and I would respectfully suggest there is scant evidence to support such a view.

I just tried a forecast of results, match by match, to the end of the season and came up with 32 points.............so we are pushing it somewhat..............problem is , how many points can the other teams get?

[FFC1987]

Labeling, incorrectly, a fellow fan as smug was puerile.
I absolutely cannot see another 30 points from this team with Jol in charge. My point being that the manager does influence outcomes...in this scenario, negatively.
You clearly feel that with Jol at the helm another 30 points is achievable. I don't, I doubt if many others do and I would respectfully suggest there is scant evidence to support such a view.

I just tried a forecast of results, match by match, to the end of the season and came up with 32 points.............so we are pushing it somewhat..............problem is , how many points can the other teams get?

We will need 40.

[the nutflush]

He's in the squad.  Wahey!  See I do talk sense sometimes.

[OnlyTwoMoussaDembeles]

He's in the squad.  Wahey!  See I do talk sense sometimes.

Finally, my name has become relevant!

[Walsh]

Does anyone know if he has twitter?

[Jamie88]

Does anyone know if he has twitter?

I'm not sure he has, I tried looking but to no result

[SKSW6]

Does anyone know if he has twitter?

@marjsonrobinho

He hasn't been on in ages though.