Something I want to know.

[BigbadBillyMcKinley]

When are all you plastic, "knowitall" fans, who actually know {very little} all about football or anything to do with running a club etc, going to leave this board?
It winds me up reading posts with people saying "sell Mitroglu" because you've never seen him play regularly or "buy this player" (ironically, after not seeing them play regularly!).
You've managed to hound Ruiz and Senderos out the club; both of whom are international, world cup playing players. We could have done with Senderos in the team this season, he would have easily been our best defender (and yes I'm being serious!). Senderos made the odd mistake and people jumped down his throat. But Hangeland made more and so did all the others.
It's also been suggested that we swap Mitroglu, a Champions League experienced, high scoring striker, for players who has played well for a season in the Championship. How the hell does that equate to a good bit of business?

These are also the same people who slag off MAF for under investing in the team. Yes, perhaps he did, but he has left us in a place we should be incredibly grateful for. Look at the youth set up we have, the stadium and the lack of debt. All things that are more important now we have dropped divisions. Imagine he hadn't invested that and Kahn had to pump money into players and infrastructure? I know which I'd have chosen. He has also stated that he will spend whatever it takes to get us back up. At my reckoning, it could be up to £70 million (I say upto, because it's unlikely gonna be that much, but you get the idea!)

Please also remember; Felix Magath came in AFTER the january transfer window had closed, he was the third manager the players had been made to work with in a season. He had to find the best team and position for his players, meaning he had a very limited window of opportunity to experiment etc. This is a very experienced manager and ex player. As a player, he lost twice in the World Cup final with West Germany, and scored the only goal (which was an absolute screamer) in the Champions League final. He's been there, done that and effectively got the t-shirt.

So, until you can show me the proof that you know more about business, running a football club, playing or managing a team, please stop with the negativity. The team and club as a whole need our support, through thick and thin. Not to have a few numpties shouting and booing from the stands when we lose a game or don't go up on the first attempt.

Fulham are and always will be in my heart. I will follow and love them (and I have been there before) if we were playing Corintian Casuals on a damp saturday afternoon. :048:



** swearing

[MJG]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

[FFC1987]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left?

Judging by the OP comment, none of your opinions are valid unless you've played professional football/managed professional football or lost world cup finals. So its a contradiction in itself.

[Bradstow]

Sorry. old boy, but someone who still slavishly defends Fayed's lack of investment is hardly likely to be able to judge anyone else's qualification to comment on the Club in particular or football in general.

[Lighthouse]

 :005: I hope this is a wind up. Well done if it is.

[Craven Mad]

**Complains about fans giving their opinion. Goes on to give his opinion.**Objects to people who think they know things. Goes on to try and show how much he knows**

It's a bit hypocritical, don't you think? I do hope, as suggested above, that this is a joke.


In case it isn't.. This is a fan forum, created to allow fans to share their - often disparate - views. You'll agree with some people, you'll disagree with others. It happens. Get over it.

[Aaron]

:005: I hope this is a wind up. Well done if it is.

^ This.

[BigbadBillyMcKinley]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

How was he rubbish??
Made one or two mistakes, but how many did Hangeland make? Or has he been world class this season.
This is exactly what I'm chatting about though. You're making a joke of my thoughts and opinions.
I'm not saying you have to be an ex professional,  but at the same time who are you to say this player wont suit or that player is ideal etc?? You dont know the ideas and plan the manager has. Why not just say "ok, lets see how that pans out"?

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[FFC1987]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

How was he rubbish??
Made one or two mistakes, but how many did Hangeland make? Or has he been world class this season.
This is exactly what I'm chatting about though. You're making a joke of my thoughts and opinions.
I'm not saying you have to be an ex professional,  but at the same time who are you to say this player wont suit or that player is ideal etc?? You dont know the ideas and plan the manager has. Why not just say "ok, lets see how that pans out"?

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Who are you to say he would have or wouldn't have though? You take the high ground saying we shouldn't judge, then immediately convey a subjective opinion. Even if its a positive opinion, it makes it no more/less of an opinion...

[Craven Mad]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

How was he rubbish??
Made one or two mistakes, but how many did Hangeland make? Or has he been world class this season.
This is exactly what I'm chatting about though. You're making a joke of my thoughts and opinions.
I'm not saying you have to be an ex professional,  but at the same time who are you to say this player wont suit or that player is ideal etc?? You dont know the ideas and plan the manager has. Why not just say "ok, lets see how that pans out"?

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Point 1)

I agree with MJG, I thought he was rubbish, too. That doesn't mean you're wrong, it just means we disagree.

Point 2)

You're taking issue with someone discrediting your opinions as a 'joke'. But your opening gambit in this thread was: "When are all you plastic, "knowitall" fans, who actually know f*** all about football or anything to do with running a club etc, going to leave this board?". You have no evidence about the careers or know-how of anyone on this forum, yet you feel it's ok to discredit others simply because they have a different view.


You're unlikely to get people on-side with that attitude. Just an opinion, though..

[the nutflush]

This guy has always had the biggest man crush on Senderos. He was a bigger disaster than any of our other poor excuses for defenders mate.  One or two mistakes?  How many games have you watched in the past few years.  He cost us countless games with his lack of pace, finesse and brains.  

And as for Ruiz I don't know where to start.  

So there you go that's my opinion.  

[cmg]

I am in 100% agreement with BBBMcK and his Austenesque delivery.....But then I know nothing of business or running a football club and very little more about playing and managing - so I am almost certainly 100% wrong.

[FFC1987]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

How was he rubbish??
Made one or two mistakes, but how many did Hangeland make? Or has he been world class this season.
This is exactly what I'm chatting about though. You're making a joke of my thoughts and opinions.
I'm not saying you have to be an ex professional,  but at the same time who are you to say this player wont suit or that player is ideal etc?? You dont know the ideas and plan the manager has. Why not just say "ok, lets see how that pans out"?

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Point 1)

I agree with MJG, I thought he was rubbish, too. That doesn't mean you're wrong, it just means we disagree.

Point 2)

You're taking issue with someone discrediting your opinions as a 'joke'. But your opening gambit in this thread was: "When are all you plastic, "knowitall" fans, who actually know f*** all about football or anything to do with running a club etc, going to leave this board?". You have no evidence about the careers or know-how of anyone on this forum, yet you feel it's ok to discredit others simply because they have a different view.


You're unlikely to get people on-side with that attitude. Just an opinion, though..

Don't listen to him Bill, he never played professionally anyway!

[MJG]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

How was he rubbish??
Made one or two mistakes, but how many did Hangeland make? Or has he been world class this season.
This is exactly what I'm chatting about though. You're making a joke of my thoughts and opinions.
I'm not saying you have to be an ex professional,  but at the same time who are you to say this player wont suit or that player is ideal etc?? You dont know the ideas and plan the manager has. Why not just say "ok, lets see how that pans out"?

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Ok so the club let Senderos go, some expert at the club decided that. I agree with the expert at the club, that's how it panned out.

Look I never said he was rubbish, I never made a joke of your thoughts or opinion.
If you have ever read my posts on Senderos I have always backed up why I did not 'rate' him or want him in the team. He had attributes but overall I was not a fan.

More than happy to discuss anything on here football related and I will always try to back up my view instead of some people who just say their **** or crap. If you have a reasoned argument for a point of view then this is the forum to make it on.

[the nutflush]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

How was he rubbish??
Made one or two mistakes, but how many did Hangeland make? Or has he been world class this season.
This is exactly what I'm chatting about though. You're making a joke of my thoughts and opinions.
I'm not saying you have to be an ex professional,  but at the same time who are you to say this player wont suit or that player is ideal etc?? You dont know the ideas and plan the manager has. Why not just say "ok, lets see how that pans out"?

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Ok so the club let Senderos go, some expert at the club decided that. I agree with the expert at the club, that's how it panned out.

Look I never said he was rubbish, I never made a joke of your thoughts or opinion.
If you have ever read my posts on Senderos I have always backed up why I did not 'rate' him or want him in the team. He had attributes but overall I was not a fan.

More than happy to discuss anything on here football related and I will always try to back up my view instead of some people who just say their poo or crap. If you have a reasoned argument for a point of view then this is the forum to make it on.

Why aren't we allowed to say he was rubbish when he was quite clearly really really rubbish?

[MJG]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

How was he rubbish??
Made one or two mistakes, but how many did Hangeland make? Or has he been world class this season.
This is exactly what I'm chatting about though. You're making a joke of my thoughts and opinions.
I'm not saying you have to be an ex professional,  but at the same time who are you to say this player wont suit or that player is ideal etc?? You dont know the ideas and plan the manager has. Why not just say "ok, lets see how that pans out"?

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Ok so the club let Senderos go, some expert at the club decided that. I agree with the expert at the club, that's how it panned out.

Look I never said he was rubbish, I never made a joke of your thoughts or opinion.
If you have ever read my posts on Senderos I have always backed up why I did not 'rate' him or want him in the team. He had attributes but overall I was not a fan.

More than happy to discuss anything on here football related and I will always try to back up my view instead of some people who just say their poo or crap. If you have a reasoned argument for a point of view then this is the forum to make it on.

Why aren't we allowed to say he was rubbish when he was quite clearly really really rubbish?

there are exceptions to all rules

[Craven Mad]

Sorry but its a forum about opinions.
I dont agree with your opinion on Senderos, but does that make your view or mine anymore valid?
Why is it ok for you to say he should have stayed and mine that I'm glad he left not ok?

How was he rubbish??
Made one or two mistakes, but how many did Hangeland make? Or has he been world class this season.
This is exactly what I'm chatting about though. You're making a joke of my thoughts and opinions.
I'm not saying you have to be an ex professional,  but at the same time who are you to say this player wont suit or that player is ideal etc?? You dont know the ideas and plan the manager has. Why not just say "ok, lets see how that pans out"?

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Point 1)

I agree with MJG, I thought he was rubbish, too. That doesn't mean you're wrong, it just means we disagree.

Point 2)

You're taking issue with someone discrediting your opinions as a 'joke'. But your opening gambit in this thread was: "When are all you plastic, "knowitall" fans, who actually know f*** all about football or anything to do with running a club etc, going to leave this board?". You have no evidence about the careers or know-how of anyone on this forum, yet you feel it's ok to discredit others simply because they have a different view.


You're unlikely to get people on-side with that attitude. Just an opinion, though..

Don't listen to him Bill, he never played professionally anyway!

Oh no!! The jig's up!! I'll never be believed again!!

[MJG]

Well Senderos has proven most wrong by playing well in italy. But then I guess that doesnt count. And how was ruiz poo? He was booed off the pitch by his own fans. Not gonna fill him with confidence. The bloke is class but, like a lot of imports, needs a while to settle into the pace of the football over here. Henry didnt bang them in for a while and look how poo he turned out. Whos to say Ruiz wouldnt have turned out similar (notice I said similar and not the same!).
Booing your own players and team is a big big bare of mine.

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14 games for Milan means he's great? Ok whats your views on Kasami?

[BigbadBillyMcKinley]

Kasmai had more potential than hes showing. Like a lot of our players in the past; Zat Knight and Jimmy Bullard being prime example, get their head turned and become worse than they were.

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[the nutflush]

Well Senderos has proven most wrong by playing well in italy. But then I guess that doesnt count. And how was ruiz poo? He was booed off the pitch by his own fans. Not gonna fill him with confidence. The bloke is class but, like a lot of imports, needs a while to settle into the pace of the football over here. Henry didnt bang them in for a while and look how poo he turned out. Whos to say Ruiz wouldnt have turned out similar (notice I said similar and not the same!).
Booing your own players and team is a big big bare of mine.

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Really?  Now you're comparing Ruiz to Henry?  Mate you're just making yourself look sillier with every post.  Ruiz was total poo and you cant deny it.  If he wasn't so poo he would have been starting for us till the end of the season.  But he wasn't because he was totally poo and everyone else except Jol and apparently yourself knew it.