Something I want to know.

[MJG]

Kasmai had more potential than hes showing. Like a lot of our players in the past; Zat Knight and Jimmy Bullard being prime example, get their head turned and become worse than they were.

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But according to your 'He played in Italy must be great theory' he's as good as Senderos

[grandad]

I´m staying out of this one. Someone is going to say Frank Large was our greatest ever centre forward.

[FFC1987]

I´m staying out of this one. Someone is going to say Frank Large was our greatest ever centre forward.

Did he play in Italy as well?

[BigbadBillyMcKinley]

Well Senderos has proven most wrong by playing well in italy. But then I guess that doesnt count. And how was ruiz poo? He was booed off the pitch by his own fans. Not gonna fill him with confidence. The bloke is class but, like a lot of imports, needs a while to settle into the pace of the football over here. Henry didnt bang them in for a while and look how poo he turned out. Whos to say Ruiz wouldnt have turned out similar (notice I said similar and not the same!).
Booing your own players and team is a big big bare of mine.

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Really?  Now you're comparing Ruiz to Henry?  Mate you're just making yourself look sillier with every post.  Ruiz was total poo and you cant deny it.  If he wasn't so poo he would have been starting for us till the end of the season.  But he wasn't because he was totally poo and everyone else except Jol and apparently yourself knew it.  

No, my point on Ruiz was,  he wasn't given a chance to prove himself in england. Hes a very very good player, perhaps if he was cheaper he'd have been given a chance yeah? Same with Mitroglu. How can anyone say hes poor when hes hardly played? Give him a season at least. If he plays badly and scores less than 15 goals next year then I'll agree.
Regarding senderos, an expert at the club also got rid of aaron hughes, argueably our best defender for many season. A very much unsung hero, a player who got hangeland out of trouble more often than not. Call him the Carvalho of Fulham. He went and we conseeded more goals.

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[the nutflush]

I played in Italy.  On the beach in Vasto.  And Im totally poo.  

[grandad]

I´m staying out of this one. Someone is going to say Frank Large was our greatest ever centre forward.

Did he play in Italy as well?

Not sure but he looked like he ate a lot of pasta. Large by name, large by size.

[FFC1987]

Probably one of my favorite posts on this forum ever.

[the nutflush]

Well Senderos has proven most wrong by playing well in italy. But then I guess that doesnt count. And how was ruiz poo? He was booed off the pitch by his own fans. Not gonna fill him with confidence. The bloke is class but, like a lot of imports, needs a while to settle into the pace of the football over here. Henry didnt bang them in for a while and look how poo he turned out. Whos to say Ruiz wouldnt have turned out similar (notice I said similar and not the same!).
Booing your own players and team is a big big bare of mine.

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Really?  Now you're comparing Ruiz to Henry?  Mate you're just making yourself look sillier with every post.  Ruiz was total poo and you cant deny it.  If he wasn't so poo he would have been starting for us till the end of the season.  But he wasn't because he was totally poo and everyone else except Jol and apparently yourself knew it.  

No, my point on Ruiz was,  he wasn't given a chance to prove himself in england. Hes a very very good player, perhaps if he was cheaper he'd have been given a chance yeah? Same with Mitroglu. How can anyone say hes poor when hes hardly played? Give him a season at least. If he plays badly and scores less than 15 goals next year then I'll agree.
Regarding senderos, an expert at the club also got rid of aaron hughes, argueably our best defender for many season. A very much unsung hero, a player who got hangeland out of trouble more often than not. Call him the Carvalho of Fulham. He went and we conseeded more goals.

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Ruiz had plenty of opportunities during his time at Fulham.  He just doesn't have it and we wasted a big pile of money on him.  I will agree that getting rid of Hughes was a shocking mistake.  Senderos was way more poo than Hughes.  Hangeland turned out to be just as poo.  Amorebieta was found to be pure poo.  Riise poo and Riether had a poo season.  I wouldn't be sad to see any of these guys go as we need a good cleanout.  

[MJG]

Well Senderos has proven most wrong by playing well in italy. But then I guess that doesnt count. And how was ruiz poo? He was booed off the pitch by his own fans. Not gonna fill him with confidence. The bloke is class but, like a lot of imports, needs a while to settle into the pace of the football over here. Henry didnt bang them in for a while and look how poo he turned out. Whos to say Ruiz wouldnt have turned out similar (notice I said similar and not the same!).
Booing your own players and team is a big big bare of mine.

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Really?  Now you're comparing Ruiz to Henry?  Mate you're just making yourself look sillier with every post.  Ruiz was total poo and you cant deny it.  If he wasn't so poo he would have been starting for us till the end of the season.  But he wasn't because he was totally poo and everyone else except Jol and apparently yourself knew it. 

No, my point on Ruiz was,  he wasn't given a chance to prove himself in england. Hes a very very good player, perhaps if he was cheaper he'd have been given a chance yeah? Same with Mitroglu. How can anyone say hes poor when hes hardly played? Give him a season at least. If he plays badly and scores less than 15 goals next year then I'll agree.
Regarding senderos, an expert at the club also got rid of aaron hughes, argueably our best defender for many season. A very much unsung hero, a player who got hangeland out of trouble more often than not. Call him the Carvalho of Fulham. He went and we conseeded more goals.

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Ruiz has played almost 70 games for us, maybe not in the position I think he should have, but he's had plenty of chance to show what he can do. In flashes and a six week period he probably did. But in the end it has not been enough.

As for Hughes, I'm a massive fan, but even I could see that this season he seemed to have lost a yard and was not closing people down quick enough, or making those runs to intercept balls that he was great at. We did need to change the CB's and Burn should have played more once he came back.

[JBH]

:005: I hope this is a wind up. Well done if it is.

If it's not then he truely is a Spanner!!!!!!!!!

[BigbadBillyMcKinley]

Ruiz isn't a winger tho. Hes a striker. Should be played up front as foil to a strong hold up forward. Similar to Andy Johnson (who I might add was alright!).
Ruiz and Mitroglu, in the championship......we'd score goals for fun.
Senderos and Burn at the back and we'd win all header (senderos could head the ball superbly!).

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[jarv]

The American centre back...LALAS.....played in Italy. Now if you want to talk about real pooo.....

Thing is, many, many players change clubs. It works out for some and not for others. Who knows what the formula is. Look at our own Danny Murphy. Floated around, couldn't get a regular game and Roy turned him into a star for us.

[JBH]

Ruiz isn't a winger tho. Hes a striker. Should be played up front as foil to a strong hold up forward. Similar to Andy Johnson (who I might add was alright!).
Ruiz and Mitroglu, in the championship......we'd score goals for fun.
Senderos and Burn at the back and we'd win all header (senderos could head the ball superbly!).

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Ruiz wouldn't last 2 minutes in the Championship because he is a lightweight and would bottle out of every challenge as for the bubble my mind is open on his ability as he has not been fit enough to play and as he has played in the Greek league which is about the same standard as the championship then there is a good chance he would do well. 

As for Senderos the guy always gave his all but he was always an accident waiting to happen  065.gif

[the nutflush]

Ruiz isn't a winger tho. Hes a striker. Should be played up front as foil to a strong hold up forward. Similar to Andy Johnson (who I might add was alright!).
Ruiz and Mitroglu, in the championship......we'd score goals for fun.
Senderos and Burn at the back and we'd win all header (senderos could head the ball superbly!).

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Ruiz couldn't run out of sight in a week.  Hes not a foil to anyone.  Hes just poo and not premier league standard and he wouldn't play in the second tier anyway.  I would rather have Andy Johnson back as a foil.  I liked Andy Johnson too.  

[Logicalman]

I agree, in part with Bill on this one (no, not the abuse towards others on this MB, or even his own belief that he knows better than others), but the basis of his argument.

I have often said that Berbatov was a great player, but not at Fulham, Senderos appears to be finding hid feet at Valencia, whereas he didn't shine at the Cottage. Marlet has always been slated as the worst of our players, but his scoring rate at Fulham was only a shade under his records at Red Star, Auxerre & Lyons. So what makes these players perform poorly for us, but do well at other clubs? I firmly believe its whether they fit in. You can see other examples outside of our own club: Carroll, prolific at Newcastle, poor at Liverpool, Torres, prolific at Liverpool, and not so much for Chelsea.

We have all called players rubbish, and its more of an emotional outburst than based on any professional opinion, there are very few, if any, on this MB that can call themselves professional when it comes to player management or scouting, so there's little point in attacking each others opinions, is there?

[BigbadBillyMcKinley]

The American centre back...LALAS.....played in Italy. Now if you want to talk about real pooo.....

Thing is, many, many players change clubs. It works out for some and not for others. Who knows what the formula is. Look at our own Danny Murphy. Floated around, couldn't get a regular game and Roy turned him into a star for us.

But what a beard Lalas had. Almost as good as Abel Xavier (who was a good player!).

My original point has become moot and "poo". I'll take back the bits of slagging off other people, it was ny frustration and emotions running away with me.
However; I still stand by my opinions on Senderos and Ruiz. I rate them both highly.
Refarding the point on Berbatov: at other clubs hes been at, whether it was Spurs of United, he had players around him that were good enough to cover him whenever he needed a little lie down (which was usually 87 minutes every game), however, he was without doubt the most technically gifted player I've seen in a white shirt. My favourite? No. That prize goes to McBride or Brevett. But best, yes.
I was excited when Scott Parker came, he was a genuinely good player. However, since hes come to us he is forever stuck on a turntable and forgets who he plays for. Same with Diarra (although Diarra was like Samuel L Jackson in Unbreakable!).
The whole post has gone completely off topic, I've even started rambling like a madman and forgotten what I was saying.

Bring back Super Micky Conroy!!

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[nose]

Ruiz isn't a winger tho. Hes a striker. Should be played up front as foil to a strong hold up forward. Similar to Andy Johnson (who I might add was alright!).
Ruiz and Mitroglu, in the championship......we'd score goals for fun.
Senderos and Burn at the back and we'd win all header (senderos could head the ball superbly!).

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Ruiz and mitro up front in the championship, would score goals for fun? How do you know that?
IMO, informed or uninformed depending on your prejudice and what you may or may not constitute as a valid opinion, would be the biggest disaster since the titanic thought it was sailing in the Caribbean seas. Come on, in two years ruiz barely had a good game, couldn't keep up with the pace, got knocked off the ball and was totally out of his depth against the mighty Burton Albion where he failed to score a spot kick!
Mitro, who I have had the misfortune to see twice for us is either totally unfit OR is a con man, OR a combination of both and if he miraculously turns out for greece in the world cup then we know he was certainly a con man.

To think either of these 'lightweights' could successfully lead the line for us in the very physical demanding reaches of the Championship is frankly bizarre.

Of course you may think I am totally unqualified to comment thus, you may feel you are totally qualified to make your unusal assumption but for me I would put my trust in the younger players like woodrow who has shown appetite and talent whenever I have seen him.

[Fulham76]

When are all you plastic, "knowitall" fans, who actually know {very little} all about football or anything to do with running a club etc, going to leave this board?
It winds me up reading posts with people saying "sell Mitroglu" because you've never seen him play regularly or "buy this player" (ironically, after not seeing them play regularly!).
You've managed to hound Ruiz and Senderos out the club; both of whom are international, world cup playing players. We could have done with Senderos in the team this season, he would have easily been our best defender (and yes I'm being serious!). Senderos made the odd mistake and people jumped down his throat. But Hangeland made more and so did all the others.
It's also been suggested that we swap Mitroglu, a Champions League experienced, high scoring striker, for players who has played well for a season in the Championship. How the hell does that equate to a good bit of business?

These are also the same people who slag off MAF for under investing in the team. Yes, perhaps he did, but he has left us in a place we should be incredibly grateful for. Look at the youth set up we have, the stadium and the lack of debt. All things that are more important now we have dropped divisions. Imagine he hadn't invested that and Kahn had to pump money into players and infrastructure? I know which I'd have chosen. He has also stated that he will spend whatever it takes to get us back up. At my reckoning, it could be up to £70 million (I say upto, because it's unlikely gonna be that much, but you get the idea!)

Please also remember; Felix Magath came in AFTER the january transfer window had closed, he was the third manager the players had been made to work with in a season. He had to find the best team and position for his players, meaning he had a very limited window of opportunity to experiment etc. This is a very experienced manager and ex player. As a player, he lost twice in the World Cup final with West Germany, and scored the only goal (which was an absolute screamer) in the Champions League final. He's been there, done that and effectively got the t-shirt.

So, until you can show me the proof that you know more about business, running a football club, playing or managing a team, please stop with the negativity. The team and club as a whole need our support, through thick and thin. Not to have a few numpties shouting and booing from the stands when we lose a game or don't go up on the first attempt.

Fulham are and always will be in my heart. I will follow and love them (and I have been there before) if we were playing Corintian Casuals on a damp saturday afternoon. :048:



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So no opinions allowed on our players, manager or chairman? And we're also not permitted to be disappointed/negative at the fact we've been relegated??? Nice one, and probably the end of this forum if you have your way  fp.gif

[Macedo]

This guy has always had the biggest man crush on Senderos. He was a bigger disaster than any of our other poor excuses for defenders mate.  One or two mistakes?  How many games have you watched in the past few years.  He cost us countless games with his lack of pace, finesse and brains.  

And as for Ruiz I don't know where to start.  

So there you go that's my opinion.  

Tosh...Senderos diff class to any of them.
Dont know what games you bn watching but Hangleland has been crap.
I believe was always made to look better by the positional sense
and covering of Hughes..

[ToodlesMcToot]

I am in 100% agreement with BBBMcK and his Austenesque delivery.....But then I know nothing of business or running a football club and very little more about playing and managing - so I am almost certainly 100% wrong.

Well played sir. Well played.  :Haynes The Maestro: