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Did Felix fail because he wanted too much from his players?

Started by blingo, September 19, 2014, 11:04:30 AM

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blingo

Was the expectation far higher than the level our players can play at? I think he wanted to play champions league football in the championship and as we all know, that will never work.

CorkCity

I think he failed because he did not have a clue at what his best 11 was
"don't dwell on reality ,it will only keep you from greatness"

blingo

Our m8 Jose does though Corky :)
I think he knew, but wanted to have too much cover in every position so rotated far far too much before allowing the best set of players time to bed in and get some results on the board.


CorkCity

"don't dwell on reality ,it will only keep you from greatness"

Slaphead in Qatar

he failed mainly because of his lack of experience of english leagues. he proved he was good in germany, so I dont think he was bad manager per se.

blingo

I agree Mr Slappy, I think that time will show that the quality of the players he has ut together and their young ages will prove a monster asset for us long term. I guess if we had been sitting on say 7 points now, everything would look completely different.


Andy S

I think he failed because he changed too much too quickly. Not all the players in the squad hadpassed their sell by date

ron

He failed because he tried to apply that cold, Germanic expectation on his squad, and took no time to engage with the players. He consequently lost the dressing room, and from that moment he was a dead man walking. An arrogant man, who needs to go and learn some manners or manage in Germany, where from his success it appears that this approach works.

colinwhite

For Felix to succeed at a club everyone has to buy into his "philosophy ". This philosophy amounted to little more than a neurotic stubbornness to impose his will on all around him . He then spent most of the time he was here trying to impose this on the players and probably thinks it would have worked if he had had more time .Then there is the actions that none of us understood and neither he nor the club could  rationally explain ,
His :
unexplainable team selections ( to keep everyone on their toes , and sharp )
Sudden dropping of players (ditto )
tactical /system changing (ditto )
Clearout of any one not prepared to dance to his tune
Turning to `mouldable ` youth
Signing players Fotheringwhat misname aand pyjama bottoms  who he knew would swing in with him ( their lack of class didn't matter ).

He must know a fair bit about football with his Cv, so the only logical explanation I can come up with ,for his extremely strange decision making at FFC is contained at least in part , in  the above .



Willard

He may have had high expectations but seemed to have no workable strategy to achieve those expectations. If all the stories about his training regime are true then the lack of imagination allied to poor team management, selection and tactics would not be able to deliver his ideal.

the nutflush

A clueless madman.  Wouldn't have a clue who the best 11 is.  Some of his purchases are mind boggling as are his releases.  Sends Tunnicliffe and Cole out and buys Fotheringham.....an inspirational bit of business.  Sells Stockdale and loans out a world cup finalist Stek, plays the kids for a few weeks and then brongs in pyjama pants who lets in 8 goals in a week. Brilliant.  Loans out Mitroglou who is obviously fit and ready as he scores v Atletico.  You just couldn't make it up.   090.gif

nose

Quote from: blingo on September 19, 2014, 11:04:30 AM
Was the expectation far higher than the level our players can play at? I think he wanted to play champions league football in the championship and as we all know, that will never work.

I think he failed because he was the wrong man for the job. He might possibly succeed elswhere but not here and not now. I honestly think it is that simple, which is different from listing out all his many errors opf judgement.


Stefano Okaka Chuka

No, he failed because he is a lunatic. End of analysis.
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#13
He failed because he had no obvious viable plan and he was indecisive and this showed in his inconsistency.

He came and said we needed experience and immediately dropped the younger players, Burn and Tunnicliffe, who looked to have added something to the side.

Then in the transfer window he let go or got rid of all the experienced players (and would have sold Ruiz, Mitroglou, Amorebieta and Rodellega if he could) in a switch over to youth.

He brought in a whole raft of new but modest players, some who turn out to be decent but about half for no obvious purpose or value.

With the youngsters rightly coming through we have a huge squad so that many will get very few games.

This season he has changed the formation several times for no apparent reason. He has changed the team significantly every game again for no apparent reason often swapping out players who had good games. He has regularly played players out of position. He has made substitutions that made no sense.

He has failed to solve our defensive problems (something Pulis at Palace solved in days - and no, I don't want Pulis, just mentioning this to show what can be done).

And that is to mention only some of the visible issues and none of what may or may have not been going on behind the scenes.

All in all, if he could do something wrong he seems to have achieved it. I cannot think of one aspect of his managership that deserves recognition or praise.

Lighthouse

In the end he Felix became trapped by his own reputation He seemed to feel the need to live up to it. Taking little advice and not wanting to listen to others. The game on Wednesday when we arrived late for the Forest game is said to be down to his refusal to listen to advice and leave early. Felix became a control freak and was allowed to be. As in all things if it works he is proved right.

He expected too much from himself and was left drowning in his own ego.
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Bobsfulham

QuoteA clueless madman.  Wouldn't have a clue who the best 11 is.  Some of his purchases are mind boggling as are his releases.  Sends Tunnicliffe and Cole out and buys Fotheringham.....an inspirational bit of business.  Sells Stockdale and loans out a world cup finalist Stek, plays the kids for a few weeks and then brongs in pyjama pants who lets in 8 goals in a week. Brilliant.  Loans out Mitroglou who is obviously fit and ready as he scores v Atletico.  You just couldn't make it up


Summed up to a treat!! Agree 100%
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Artful Dodger

Quote from: the nutflush on September 19, 2014, 12:17:24 PM
A clueless madman.  Wouldn't have a clue who the best 11 is.  Some of his purchases are mind boggling as are his releases.  Sends Tunnicliffe and Cole out and buys Fotheringham.....an inspirational bit of business.  Sells Stockdale and loans out a world cup finalist Stek, plays the kids for a few weeks and then brongs in pyjama pants who lets in 8 goals in a week. Brilliant.  Loans out Mitroglou who is obviously fit and ready as he scores v Atletico.  You just couldn't make it up.   090.gif
I think that sums him up nicely. He failed because he had no judgement whatsoever (well, other than bad judgement) nor did he seem to know what he was doing - 30 players in 8 games tells you all you need to know!
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bill taylors apprentice

The answer is No!

I'm prepared to believe the owner wanted to clear out the high earners and put limits on who we signed.
But this was were a decent manager should manage intelligently and coach the players into a unit as a basic requirement.
None of that happened and a lot lot worse.



Nick Bateman

I think the team we have should be at the top end of the table so it comes down to the manager.  For a German I was shocked by his lack of organization, especially at set-pieces; cliché yes but that's my view.

I really believe a good manager is one who makes correct observations and identifies with the strong and weak points his side displays.  René Meulensteen was doing that.  He saw Stekeneleburg was costing him matches and dropped him even though his reputation was higher than the other goalkeepers we had. He saw Scott Parker was slowing down the play and passing backwards and addressed that.

Magath was all over the place, seeing Stafylidis play well as a wing-back then moving him out of position to a winger then dropping him!??!  The man didn't have a clue.
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westcliff white

for me he failed because his training was archaic and the players didnt understand what they were meant to do
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