The Jaguars

[Moussa Dembele the 3rd]

Lost 44-17 to the 0-2 Colts at home today.

Kahn is an inept sports team owner. Obviously he hasn't brought in the right people to run the Jaguars organization either. I was skeptical when he bought Fulham and I hope that he can get his act together but I'm becoming more and more concerned.

Sorry to moan, but this guy really is trouble in my opinion. Not that he has any unsavory motives, just that he hasn't a clue about sports or running sports franchises.

[Lighthouse]

I wonder if he was cursed as a child by a gypsy? Anybody who has managed to make such a bad job of  owning sports clubs must have done something unspeakable to deserve such an awful curse.

[The Rock]

I was worried about this from day one. I still want Kahn out! He had his chance. Don't laugh - we'll be on auction online where we can vote by proxy like Ebbsfleet should they turn down the council housing plan in just a few years time.

I digress. He is a crap owner. I live in the states and it's all gone Pete Tong with the Jags, but the locals don't know or care "any different any who" as Jacksonville is in the Deep South and generally less cultured (in an urban sense) which makes the allure of Khans branding of a product work well enough and potentially profitable. The key is you are guaranteed top flight football, and you can't get relegated. I been pounding the table since day one - he hasn't a clue how English football works and I have been 100% correct. Go ahead and counter.

[HatterDon]

I'm sorry, Mr. Rock. All I CAN do is laugh when I see this sort of post.

Thanks. I really needed a good chuckle.

[Moussa Dembele the 3rd]

I'm sorry, Mr. Rock. All I CAN do is laugh when I see this sort of post.

Thanks. I really needed a good chuckle.

Oh so you're happy Kahn sat back and let Magath destroy our club for the past 8 months. I get it.

[VamosFFC]

Gotta agree with Hatter on this one. How can you blame all this on Khan? Yes, I will say he should of sacked Magath earlier, but you're putting the blame on him for our results. The manager is the one who conducts training and picks the matchday squad, not the owner. Also, I'm sure there have been plenty of owners who have bought teams not knowing how English football works, but wanted to buy into "English football" because it's popular. Look at Man City, do you think their owners knew about English football? Ya, they probably knew a bit, not as much as you would think though. All it takes is hiring the right manager and they did that with Pellegrini and sometimes deep pockets. Khan thought he was making a good decision hiring Magath because of his relegation CV, but it didn't work. We gave it a shot, a few games too long maybe, but how was he to know it wouldn't work. All I'm saying is how can you blame all this on khan.

Also, the Jaguars horrible display the last two games can not be blamed on Khan either. The Jags QB Henne is not that great. Once he was taken off at half today and replaced with Bortles they looked a whole new side. The Jags are young side too and are still learning to play with each other.

[mangoputney]

Khan is just a sporting jinx / Jonah

[cmg]

I digress. He is a crap owner. I live in the states and it's all gone Pete Tong with the Jags, but the locals don't know or care "any different any who" as Jacksonville is in the Deep South and generally less cultured (in an urban sense) which makes the allure of Khans branding of a product work well enough and potentially profitable. The key is you are guaranteed top flight football, and you can't get relegated. I been pounding the table since day one - he hasn't a clue how English football works and I have been 100% correct. Go ahead and counter.

You say he is a 'crap owner' and yet you say he has placed his product in an a location and brands it in such a way, where, despite lack of on-field success, it is 'potentially profitable'. I'm not a businessman myself, but I think this might make him a pretty clever owner.
I cannot really be persuaded that a man savvy enough to make $'whatever'billion was not fully aware of relegation, its ramifications and the various other 'idiocyncracies' of the UK scene (including taxation) when he bought into English football.

[The Rock]

I expected more here. He has is a fine business man I am sure, but he has not been good for Fulham. Jacksonville had no major football team, so now they have one and it can't get relegated. Little branding and voila! you have a profitable business and no competition.

I am not "blaming" this solely on khan at all. But he is largely responsible. MAF sold him a club at its peak that obviously needed proper investment and an ageing squad. I simply think he just didn't know any better. Thus, he's been a crap owner for us.

Maybe someday it will change.

[Lighthouse]

I bought a shop. It was tired and needed updating but it was amongst the top 20 in the town. I sacked the manager because we were doing awful business. I then sacked another and then invested heavily in a shop soiled item that sadly we could never use,

The manager who took over managed to make enemies everywhere. Wouldn't mind but the shop went from being a struggling top 20 shop to a struggling top 44 club. So I had to sack this manager too. I invested heavily in one item but fortunately didn't lose too much as i sold the entire stock that was on the shelves.

I own another huge mall in the states and that is doing appallingly in the sales department as well.

Thank goodness people laugh when others put part of the blame on me. After all as an owner I can hardly be held responsible for the sudden decline in fortunes.  :49:

[ToodlesMcToot]

I expected more here. He has is a fine business man I am sure, but he has not been good for Fulham. Jacksonville had no major football team, so now they have one and it can't get relegated. Little branding and voila! you have a profitable business and no competition.

I am not "blaming" this solely on khan at all. But he is largely responsible. MAF sold him a club at its peak that obviously needed proper investment and an ageing squad. I simply think he just didn't know any better. Thus, he's been a crap owner for us.

Maybe someday it will change.

I'm sure that you realize that Jacksonville has had this professional team for near 20 years now. Khan's been involved for 3 of those. It's not a "voila" and you have a profitable business and it's definitely not a "I want a winning franchise. So, I'll just break out the wallet, snap my fingers, and make it happen." sort of venture. Turning a club around under the NFL's rules is like turning a super tanker. It takes time and strategic investment. There are no possibilities for Abromovich type owners to come in and buy every available high priced super player and make a top team in a one season.

You're doing a fine job of sabotaging the "I live in The States. So, you can trust my expert opinions." notion.

It's comical that you believe that Fulham was at it's peak when it was sold. On the business side things were probably doing pretty well but the footballing side was more like the rollercoaster train that had just past the point of no return on the first hill. We were at the top of a slippery slope. Had Khan had proper advisement, started with a new manager, and invested properly in the playing roster, we very likely would be still in the PL.

I'll amend this to say that, yes, he has made his own poor decisions. And, yes, he is ultimately responsible for this mess as he is the owner. I do believe he's been very poorly advised over his time with us though and it pleases me that he's taking a much more hands on approach with our club.

[alfie]

Was it MAF's fault over the last 3/4 seasons we could not even buy an away result. Chairmen/Directors have a certain responsibility for the welfare of the organisation they are running, over the last 2/3 seasons MAF decided to sell so was not too bothered about investing in the club any further. Mr Khan purchased the club and had people in place to advise him, it seems everyone on this forum decided that he knew nothing about football, and if that is the case then it was a big learning curve for him, things have not worked out as we all wanted so he is now trying to salvage the  rest of the season. I really don't think he is the big villan a lot of people think.

[aconnecticutyankee]

The 0-3 Jags are -75 pts scoring diff after 3 games, far and away the worst in the NFL. Their Defense is a shambles, and offensive line gives up 10 sacks to Washington last week. How about exposing your number #1 pick to that? And we think Fulham has problems?
All the back and forth about Mr. Kahn's business acumen is hype. He's a smart guy who obviously knows a ton about industrial automation and processes,and his company has made him a rich man, rich enough to buy two teams in the two biggest sports each side of the Atlantic. Maybe he saw the Glazers Bucs and Man U (synergy ha!) as a model that he could improve upon? In any event he owns two teams that are struggling now. Where he gets his sporting advice is anybody's guess.
Thankfully for Mr Kahn, the Southeast US is dominated by the college game and the Jags can improve in relative obscurity while most everyone down there follows the Noles. I agree with TM that improvement comes in 4-5 seasons (supertanker turn, I like that) in the NFL though. Well at least the Jags have a nice scoreboard which must appeal to the owners love of tech.
As far as Fulham goes, I'm glad that FM is gone. I hope that KS will find a way to win with what he's got. I wish that Kahn was better advised when he bought the club, maybe we'd be in better shape, but that's water over the dam now. I hope he's listening to the right advice now. I think that Fulham has a bright future. It's a wonderful club with a storied past, in a great location in London one of the worlds greatest cities, and Fulham WILL be back in the Prem in a few years.

[Pie and mash]

I bought a shop. It was tired and needed updating but it was amongst the top 20 in the town. I sacked the manager because we were doing awful business. I then sacked another and then invested heavily in a shop soiled item that sadly we could never use,

The manager who took over managed to make enemies everywhere. Wouldn't mind but the shop went from being a struggling top 20 shop to a struggling top 44 club. So I had to sack this manager too. I invested heavily in one item but fortunately didn't lose too much as i sold the entire stock that was on the shelves.

I own another huge mall in the states and that is doing appallingly in the sales department as well.

Thank goodness people laugh when others put part of the blame on me. After all as an owner I can hardly be held responsible for the sudden decline in fortunes.  :49:

What's your chain of shops called mate?

[Lighthouse]

I bought a shop. It was tired and needed updating but it was amongst the top 20 in the town. I sacked the manager because we were doing awful business. I then sacked another and then invested heavily in a shop soiled item that sadly we could never use,

The manager who took over managed to make enemies everywhere. Wouldn't mind but the shop went from being a struggling top 20 shop to a struggling top 44 club. So I had to sack this manager too. I invested heavily in one item but fortunately didn't lose too much as i sold the entire stock that was on the shelves.

I own another huge mall in the states and that is doing appallingly in the sales department as well.

Thank goodness people laugh when others put part of the blame on me. After all as an owner I can hardly be held responsible for the sudden decline in fortunes.  :49:

What's your chain of shops called mate?

Metaphor

[Fulham1959]

Personally, I'm sick of all the 'experts' on this forum calling Mr. Khan all the names under the sun.  In the main, he's learning by others' mistakes . . . but of course he himself is the real villain.

:022:

[Moussa Dembele the 3rd]

Personally, I'm sick of all the 'experts' on this forum calling Mr. Khan all the names under the sun.  In the main, he's learning by others' mistakes . . . but of course he himself is the real villain.

:022:

Never called him a villian. I just don't think he knows what he's doing.

The way the club has been run since he bought it has been disgraceful. I don't see how anyone can argue that fact. Hopefully things will improve, but so far there hasn't been any evidence that it will. The fact that his other sporting venture is also a disaster is quite relevant. 

[YankeeJim]

 :dead horse:  :dead horse:  :dead horse:


BTW, I love shopping at Metaphors. Cracking place.  1500.gif

[SP]

Perhaps Khan should buy the old Fulham Rugby League team, at least the London Broncos achieved 1 win this season.

:dead horse:

[Forever Fulham]

I don't know what Shahid Khan paid for the Jaguars' franchise a few year ago, but I'll bet he got it fairly inexpensively, as it wasn't doing well when he bought it.  He has spent real money on the club since then, but, like that figurative oil tanker, it takes time to turn around a losing program.  You need stability in key positions and in coaching/managing.  A few teams get lucky and it happens quickly.  Others stumble along and build slowly.  A 3-13 season is followed by a 6-10 season which is followed by 8-8...  One day, they make the playoffs, and then everybody forgets the salad days and thinks of them as contenders.  The start of this season has looked pretty grim for the Jaguars.  The defense is constantly on the field because the offense is so horrible.  Pull one card away, and the whole house falls down.  But little by little they are drafting talented players and the promise of talent is looking better on paper than the year before.  But  that they aren't winners now has become a referendum on Khan, as if he wasn't doing enough, as if he was making key mistakes in greenlighting this draft or that trade, or this coach hiring, and so on.  I think such commentary is unfair and unjustified. 

I was a long time minor fan of the Detroit Lions (because I lived in the Detroit suburbs).  A long suffering fan.  I do blame the then-owner, William Clay Ford, because he didn't spend money to produce a winning team.  And he kept a tight fisted penny-pinching general manager, who in turned hired a series of at best mediocre coaches and assistant coaches.  Guys like Wayne Fontes.  One year, they went 0-16, I think, under a god-awful head coach.  A smug little twit who took no personal responsibility for all of the losses.  Who blamed you, you, and the man behind the tree.  Anybody but himself.  It was so bad that the greatest runner the game has ever seen--Barry Sanders--quit in disgust right as he was one easy season away from breaking the all-time rushing yardage record in the NFL.  Leaving it to a far lesser talent, Emmit Smith, to eventually break the record with the Dallas Cowboys, a team with a massive offensive line so good that one can only imagine what Barry would have done had he not played for the Lions.  So, yes, the owner makes a big difference.  The Lions were awful for decades.  The owner wouldn't spend.  Cheap skate tight wad.  Sitting on all of that Ford inheritance money...  Khan is self-made.  He brings the vitality of the immigrant.  He spends.  He has a reputation for being ruthless when he feels it's time to make a decision.  He has owned the Jags for only a few years.  As far as I can tell, no one has surfaced with a believable substantiated story that Khan has said 'no' to spending money for quality talent or managerial staff.  Someone advised him to get Magath.  Someone advised him to approve other questionable moves.  He's getting his sea legs on who he can trust on what issues, and why.  There are growing pains.  I see the man as a godsend.  He has Russian oligarch money.  Sheik money.  Big money.  He's accessible, friendly, has the common touch about him.  Isn't afraid to speak openly with fans and the press.  What's not to like about this man?  He gave Magath (and the persons who recommended him) enough rope, and they hung themselves with it.  Now he's listening to whoever recommended Kit Symons.  Sounds like he's improved on who he can trust for advice.  I thought we'd win last weekend.  But no one saw that red card coming.  Plus, now we've learned Magath ostracized players like Ruiz from the first team squad, that he would penalize anyone caught speaking with the out of favored ones.  Despicable.  Consequently, that group wasn't integrated into the first team in practices, wasn't in the kind of shape they needed to be in.  And their mental and emotional state was taxed from such mean spirited isolation.  So we continue to pay for Magath's megalomania and lunacy.  But this tanker is turning around.  I can feel it.  So can you.  Let's show patience.