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Stupid or what

Started by Roberty, March 10, 2015, 08:34:40 AM

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Roberty

It is widely reported that Blackburn's Jordon Rhodes is available to go out on loan for the rest of the season

Apparently Norwich, Derby County and Nottingham Forest and all in the hunt for his signature

Can anyone think of a reason that Kit is not in the hunt for him?

Except for him not being stupid enough to join our sinking ship that is
It could be better but it's real life and not a fantasy

MJG

Would have loved Rhodes last summer,  always my first choice for striker.
But don't we have McCormack who has to play,  Smith who has to play and Woodrow who has to play?

Mince n Tatties

Who in their right mind would want to jump on board a sinking ship.
Some kid from another Academy maybe, everyday on Sky transfer pages Tom
Dick n Harry are going out on loan somewhere..But never a mention
of Fulham...


cmg

Blackburn need to unload Rhodes because of their dangerous situation with regard to the Financial rules. Whoever he might go on loan to would, presumably, make it permanent at the season's end.
He would be unlikely to want to go to anyone who couldn't offer him the prospect of PL football.
Although he's a decent enough striker, Fulham FC don't really figure too prominently in this equation.

On the other hand we wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to castigate our management, even over something that doesn't really concern us, would we?

westcliff white

If I were Rhodes, coming to us would not be top of my agenda. Other teams mentioned better options for him i think
Every day is a Fulham day

snarks

Not stupid at all. TBH Fulham do not need Rhodes, he only has 3 more than Ross and Hugo, and Ross scored more last season than he did.

Now if Yaya Toure or David Silva or Capoue or Ramsey came free, if Fulham didn't go for them that would be stupid, but one championship goalscorer who wouldn't fit in to the style of play when you have a better one, No.


Roberty

Quote from: snarks on March 10, 2015, 10:14:19 AM
Not stupid at all. TBH Fulham do not need Rhodes, he only has 3 more than Ross and Hugo, and Ross scored more last season than he did.

Now if Yaya Toure or David Silva or Capoue or Ramsey came free, if Fulham didn't go for them that would be stupid, but one championship goalscorer who wouldn't fit in to the style of play when you have a better one, No.

But are any of them stupid enough to join our sinking ship?

We may crave them but do they crave us?
It could be better but it's real life and not a fantasy

Logicalman

We need to be looking at the other end of the pitch first. Once we stop shipping goals we can then start relying on those we have up front to win us games by scoring a few.
Logical is just in the name - don't expect it has anything to do with my thought process, because I AM the man who sold the world.

alfie

Quote from: Roberty on March 10, 2015, 08:34:40 AM
It is widely reported that Blackburn's Jordon Rhodes is available to go out on loan for the rest of the season

Apparently Norwich, Derby County and Nottingham Forest and all in the hunt for his signature

Can anyone think of a reason that Kit is not in the hunt for him?

Except for him not being stupid enough to join our sinking ship that is

What makes you think Kit is not in the hunt for him?
Story of my life
"I was looking back to see if she was looking back to see if i was looking back at her"
Sadly she wasn't


ScalleysDad

Hold that thread title for the end of season board meeting and appraisals.

Northern Cottager

Why on earth would Rovers want to let him go? Mystifies me.

Lighthouse

Quote from: Northern Cottager on March 10, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
Why on earth would Rovers want to let him go? Mystifies me.

As CMG says purely financial. Now if he was a centre half or central midfielder or wide player with pace I would tend to agree that we would need him. Although no point at all for him coming.
The above IS NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT. It is an opinion.

We may yet hear the horse talk.

I can stand my own despair but not others hope


Roberty

Quote from: alfie on March 10, 2015, 11:31:39 AM
Quote from: Roberty on March 10, 2015, 08:34:40 AM
It is widely reported that Blackburn's Jordon Rhodes is available to go out on loan for the rest of the season

Apparently Norwich, Derby County and Nottingham Forest and all in the hunt for his signature

Can anyone think of a reason that Kit is not in the hunt for him?

Except for him not being stupid enough to join our sinking ship that is

What makes you think Kit is not in the hunt for him?


He has too many things to take care of without being a dreamer - he must know that no one will want to come here if they are any good
It could be better but it's real life and not a fantasy

MJG

Quote from: Northern Cottager on March 10, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
Why on earth would Rovers want to let him go? Mystifies me.
Because they are.. Like many championship clubs... A financial basket case and even getting a player off their books for 2-3 months will help.

MJG

Read this about them....


The bad news.....

• £30 million written off the estimated value of players

• £83 million drop in shareholder value since 2011

• Club 'completely worthless' as a saleable commodity

The good news......

• Total shareholder funds could be as little as £1.4 million

• £10 million saved on 2014-15 profit & loss account

• The club could be self-supporting within two years

Close scrutiny of Blackburn Rovers' latest accounts makes for alarming – and depressing – reading. But, could there be light at the end of this long and dark tunnel?

The bare facts show a finance team struggling desperately to bring spiralling costs under control. They failed, by some distance, to comply with this season's new Financial Fair Play regulations; hence the transfer embargo on the club.

According to Dan Grabko, finance officer for the Rovers Trust, the official supporters trust for Blackburn Rovers, the accounts show the club's new finance department has decided to charge as much as possible during the 2014 fiscal year with a look to trying to comply by next season if promotion isn't achieved this time.

An extra £9.6 million has been taken off of the player registration balance sheet account and charged through the Profit/Loss account.

This means the actual value of the intangible assets (players) has been deemed to have decreased during the year by around £30 million. This includes both regular depreciation as well as the extraordinary amounts.

A further £12 million in losses means the total shareholder funds – really the deficit as it is a negative number – of the club has risen to a staggering minus £57.2 million.

Dan says: "When Venky's bought the club the shareholder funds were a healthy and positive £25.7 million.

"Since November 2010, the actual book value of the club went from plus £25.7 million to minus £57.2 million – an £82.9 million drop in shareholder value.

"In real terms, Venky's bought Blackburn Rovers for £20 million, a 20% discount on the shareholder value at the time of sale.

"At that same discount, they'd have to pay a new owner £68.6 million just to take it off their hands!

"Basically, what all this means is that as a saleable object the club is completely worthless."

If there is any glimmer of good news in these figures it is this: £58.6 million is owed to Venky's, so if it was to forgo the entire amount as part of a sale, i.e. convert it all to equity instead, then total shareholder funds would be around £1.4 million.

"This is definitely within range for a supporters trust to buy the club," says Dan.

However, this leads on to the second most alarming news from the accounts – running losses and operating costs, which have almost doubled since the Venky's takeover, up from £12.1 million a year to £19.8 million.

Dan comments: "The club is losing money on operations at an alarming rate, almost £24 million a year, and nobody in their right mind will take that on, even if the purchase price is £1.

"Even if Venky's decided to walk away tomorrow, or at the end of the season, and give the club away to a new owner, it would be a daunting task to make the club run on its own two feet again.

"It would require an almost complete restructuring of the playing and coaching staff at senior level.

"Doing so while avoiding being forced into administration is a very difficult task."

As ever in football, the biggest problem is the players' wages.

Dan says the finance team has taken £6.5 million of this cost in advance as a reserve for onerous contracts.

This means that they will not be putting that cost on next year's accounts, and in this way have saved £6.5 million to the Profit/Loss account on next year's accounts already.

The strategy could see an additional £3.2 million in player value depreciation costs be saved by next year, taking almost £10 million off the Profit/Loss account.

To make all this accounting work, the club paid a lot of extra fees to external accountants who, presumably, assisted in coming up with the strategy used to maximise the loss this year to try to comply with FFP next year.

Dan says: "I actually think the new finance team did a great job with the strategy they have chosen, to try to come into compliance with FFP as soon as possible.

"It's an admirable effort, but still leaves the club with a £14 million loss to reduce for the current season.

"This most likely means a forced sale of some players should the club not be promoted this season.

"These deals would have to happen very shortly after the season's last ball is kicked, so they could go through before the June 30, 2015 year end.

"Rovers are limited to a very small number of players who might command high enough transfer fees to cover the gap – and selling them would have a deleterious effect on any promotion hopes for 2015-16."

Going forward, Dan identifies reducing costs and increasing revenue as the priority for the club to cope with an end to Premiership parachute payments and no promotion, and that means a less deep and more affordable playing squad, as this is where the club can save costs most quickly and easily.

The challenge for anyone aiming to take over Blackburn Rovers, such as the Rovers Trust, is making the club self-supporting.

In the club's current state, it would take probably a £15-25 million investment over the next two years to keep the club out of administration, restructure it, and be able to move forward on a self-supporting basis.

Dan concludes: "The club could be self-supporting on a £20-25 million wage budget in the Championship, everything else being equal, and most likely maintain a comfortable mid-table position there.

"Hopefully the years of £30-40 million losses are gone for the foreseeable future.

"After all the bad things Venky's have done to Blackburn Rovers, it would be something if, when the time comes, they could manage to sell or hand over a still-functioning football club playing in the Football League


Mince n Tatties

Quote from: MJG on March 10, 2015, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Northern Cottager on March 10, 2015, 12:24:36 PM
Why on earth would Rovers want to let him go? Mystifies me.
Because they are.. Like many championship clubs... A financial basket case and even getting a player off their books for 2-3 months will help.

Yes £40, 000 a week..Derby will pay it in the hope it takes them up...

ToodlesMcToot

FWIW, this rumor is being denied on Twitter by @BenRansomSky

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