Is Shorey cup tied?

[leonffc]

Or do our FA cup hopes rest with Kelly?

[SuffolkWhite]

That's a good question Leon. Can he play in the Europa aslo?

[Admin]

That's a good question Leon. Can he play in the Europa aslo?

Whats the Europa aslo?  :P

[SuffolkWhite]

The Europa aslo is a prestigious competition where the only team that can win it is a team called Fulham, not that I'm biased though lol.

Note to self, use the bloody speil cheker!

[os5889]

Unless he played for Villa in their preliminary against rapid vienna....


Aston Villa   2 - 1   Rapid Vienna (agg 2 - 2)

Aston Villa players show their disappointment after their elimination from Europe
Villa wasted chances to secure their passage to the Uefa Europa League

By Paul Fletcher

Aston Villa were denied a place in the Uefa Europa League after Rapid Vienna knocked them out of the competition on the away-goals rule.

Ashley Young twice won first-half penalties and although his first effort was saved, James Milner levelled the aggregate scores with the second.

John Carew extended Villa's lead with a low strike early in the second half.

But minutes after Nikica Jelavic had missed from six yards, the Croatian scored the decisive goal from 10 yards.

Villa had 15 minutes left to find the goal that would give them a 3-2 aggregate win but it was the visiting team who looked the most likely to score again, with the heavily involved Jelavic somehow failing to convert another good opportunity.

The result means Martin O'Neill's team, who defeated Liverpool at Anfield in the Premier League on Monday, miss out on Friday's draw for the inaugural Europa League.

The attendance suggested Villa's exit will not weigh too heavily on the club's supporters. The match was played in front of a half empty Villa Park but the Vienna fans, many waving their shirts around rather than wearing them, made plenty of noise throughout.
   
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I had hoped Villa would have a good run in Europe this year.

Mich_Caine

The away fans had relatively little to encourage them during a low-key opening to the tie, although Stefan Hoffmann went close with a curling free-kick.

It took Villa a while to threaten, although Milner should have produced a more telling cross after breaking down the right with eight minutes gone. In plenty of space, the midfielder blasted his cross beyond a completely unmarked Emile Heskey.

Villa only sporadically threatened, but the home team won their first penalty following a run of tremendous determination by the increasingly influential Young.

The winger was brought down outside the Vienna area but regained his feet as the referee played an advantage and surged into the box, where he was fouled was Markus Heikkinen.

Helge Payer saved Young's disappointing penalty with a dive to his right but could do nothing to stop Milner's crisp spot kick high to his left after 38 minutes.

The second spot kick followed another surging run into the Vienna area by Young, although there did not appear to be much contact with Andreas Dober.

Vienna rallied either side of the break and almost equalised through Hoffmann but his crisp strike was brilliantly headed off the line by Carlos Cuellar. The clearance was made even more impressive by the fact Hoffman's strike took a slight deflection on its way to goal.

But the home team took the lead in the tie when Carew, making his first appearance of the season, cut in from the right, wrong footed his marker with a crisp turn and drilled a low strike beyond Payer.
Rapid Vienna players celebrate their famous result
Rapid Vienna players celebrate their famous result

Vienna needed only an away goal to regain the advantage and introduced 6ft 7in striker Stefan Maierhofer, who soon had the ball in the net but saw his effort ruled out for a foul on keeper Bradley Guzan.

Villa had opportunities to kill off the tie - and Milner should have slotted home but missed the target after Payer parried a shot across goal from Young.

Vienna continued to press and should have equalised through Jelavic after Guzan parried a spectacular overhead kick from Maierhofer into the Croatian's path.

Jelavic was unmarked six yards from goal but missed the target. His profligacy went unpunished, however, as he did convert another gilt-edged chance with 13 minutes left.

Another Guzan parry fell invitingly and this time Jelavic slotted home into the bottom corner from 10 yards.

Villa rallied, with Fabian Delph going close with a curling shot and Heskey narrowly stabbing over after a clever near-post run, but the final clear opening of the tie fell to Vienna.

Jelavic got the ball stuck under his foot yards from goal and saw his two efforts blocked by Guzan. The second ran invitingly to Hoffmann, who blazed over from 14 yards.
Aston Villa

   * 22 Guzan
   * 15 Davies (Lowry 83)
   * 21 Shorey
   * 23 Beye
   * 24 Cuellar yellow card
   * 07 Young yellow card
   * 08 Milner
   * 16 Delph (Albrighton 86)
   * 19 Petrov
   * 10 Carew yellow card
   * 18 Heskey (Agbonlahor 82)

Which he did. So Unfortunately....


I THINK HE IS CUP TIED FOR THE EUROPA LEAGUE

[Oakeshott]

That may be right, but I am not sure it is.

When there was discussion of Arsenal possibly bidding for Brede last Summer, it was commented that, Brede having played for us in a Europa qualifier, he could not play in the early rounds of the Champions League, but if Arsenal signed him he would be able to play for them in the knockout stages. Assuming that that was right, hopefully the same applies to the two stages of the Europa competition, in which case Okaka might also be able to play for us.

There would be logic in having different rules for the European competitions. For the clubs who go all the way, these comps. are season long, and ruling out a player who transfers within a season because he represented another club at an earlier stage of the competition seems a bit harsh.

Anyway, no doubt we will hear authoritatively in due course.

[finnster01]

My understanding is that he is eligible to play (in Europa league) because 1) Acording to the UEFA rules (as opposed to FA)  we have no other player in the squad cup tied in the Europa League (so even if he played for Villa, he will be OK), and 2) you can change 3 players from the original roster after the group stages, so I do not see why either Shorey or O'kaka our black Irish gem, should not be able to play as long as they are added to the squad (unless the time to submit your squad changes has expired, which I doubt is the case)

[WhiteJC]

surely Okaka played against us, therefore we could choose between him and Shorey (according to rule 1) but not have both?

[The Doctor]

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but they are both ineligible for the Europa League regardless of whether they have played in it

Have a look at rule 18.18:"Furthermore, if the player's new club is playing in the UEFA Europa League, his former club must not have played in the UEFA Europa League at any point in the current season."

But, according to BBC (who let me down badly yesterday), Shorey hasn't appeared in the FA Cup.

To answer the Hangeland query, he would have been eligible to play in the Champions League as of the next round because he'd not played in that competition this season.  However had Everton signed him (for the sake of argument), he would have been cup tied in the EL for them by virtue of the above rule.

[leonffc]

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but they are both ineligible for the Europa League regardless of whether they have played in it

Have a look at rule 18.18:"Furthermore, if the player's new club is playing in the UEFA Europa League, his former club must not have played in the UEFA Europa League at any point in the current season."

But, according to BBC (who let me down badly yesterday), Shorey hasn't appeared in the FA Cup.

To answer the Hangeland query, he would have been eligible to play in the Champions League as of the next round because he'd not played in that competition this season.  However had Everton signed him (for the sake of argument), he would have been cup tied in the EL for them by virtue of the above rule.

Good work fella!! thanks for that.

[dancrawford]

Shorey hasn't played in the FA Cup:

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=16942

[White Noise]

http://www.football365.com/mediawatch/0,17033,8749_5912558,00.html

Will You Be Loanly...

One of the deals that went through yesterday was the loan deal of Nicky Shorey, who moved from Aston Villa to Fulham.

"But hang on," we hear those of you familiar with the rules cry. "Hasn't he already played for two clubs this season, and is therefore prevented from appearing for a third?"

Why yes, you would be right. Shorey played six times for Villa before making nine appearances on loan at Nottingham Forest, and would thusly - one would assume - not be allowed to play for Fulham.

One may also recall Javier Mascherano being allowed to play for Liverpool after moving there on an initial loan in 2007, despite having appeared for West Ham and Corinthians already. FIFA announced at the time that such deals would only be approved 'under very restrictive preconditions'.

However, Fulham are apparently 'relaxed' about the deal and hope to get around it because his move to Forest was an 'emergency' loan. Given that Forest had two fit and perfectly serviceable left-backs on their books at the time, the emergency nature of the whole deal starts to look a little shonky.

Assuming Shorey is allowed to play, any accusations that the authorities favour the bigger clubs of the land, who will basically get what they want if they stamp their feet and scream hard enough, will be difficult to deny. Especially when you consider the case of Arron Davies.

Davies was released by Forest earlier this season, having spent a not-particularly-successful spell on loan at Brighton, but was prevented from joining former club Yeovil on the grounds that he had already played for two different clubs this season.

This presumably leaves Davies kicking his heels for the remainder of the season, not allowed to earn his crust because of the apparently arbitrary manner in which the authorities decide what is and is not an emergency.

[TonyGilroy]

So with Shorey in the side we go on a winning run only to have the points deducted when we discover that he was ineligible.

The club will have got a definitive ruling from the FA won't they?

[finnster01]

I hope I am wrong but I smell Fulhamish

[Fernhurst]

They are both available for league games I hope ;)

[The Doctor]

I hope I am wrong but I smell Fulhamish

Then you should wash more often