QPR fans seem to think they can take on the Football League

[Wearethewhites]

If relegated, and come to some sort of 'agreement'  067.gif They also state that the Football League would go 'bust' if they took QPR to court?

Now, this is either a load of old ball bags from those clueless twits down at the Lofterdrome, or the Football League are just full of hot air, and don't have any authority what so ever, being unfair on every other team they've imposed rules against.

If they manage to get away with what they've done financially, it'll be absolutely ludicrous, but typical of QPR.

Thoughts?

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?187480-Can-the-Fooball-leauge-afford-to-go-to-court-if-QPR-take-them-on

[Jonaldiniho 88]

Can the football league afford to not take them on? If they don't wealthy owners can buy league sides, not adhere to the rules and get away with it. It would be an open invitation to the mega rich to invest in league teams.

[FPT]

I agree with Jonaldinho, if QPR receive no punishment, whats stopping Shad Khan spending £50m and increasing the wage bill fourfold?

[J]

well... I am not sure the monetary fine is something they could legally enforce, rather than it having to be agreed by both parties... but by that same token, there is no legal right for them to be allowed to compete in the football league, so
presumably they could be booted out if they don't wanna play by the rules?

[H4usuallysitting]

If they get relegated, they have to formally apply to the league they are joining - you don't automatically get accepted.......if the league declines there application, they then in theory drop to the conference

[mikestrand]

well... I am not sure the monetary fine is something they could legally enforce, rather than it having to be agreed by both parties... but by that same token, there is no legal right for them to be allowed to compete in the football league, so
presumably they could be booted out if they don't wanna play by the rules?

Agree, all the football league have to do is threaten to expel clubs who fail to comply . Not that I want this stupid rule anyway.

[Jonaldiniho 88]

To further my point if you make a rule to stop richer teams spending more than poorer teams then don't follow it up because the team is too rich to pursue then you have no rule.

[Logicalman]

well... I am not sure the monetary fine is something they could legally enforce, rather than it having to be agreed by both parties... but by that same token, there is no legal right for them to be allowed to compete in the football league, so
presumably they could be booted out if they don't wanna play by the rules?

Agree, all the football league have to do is threaten to expel clubs who fail to comply . Not that I want this stupid rule anyway.

As H4 pointed out, there is no automatic enrolment into the FL when either dropping out of the PL or promoting up from BSq (or whatever its called thesedays). I believe they have to apply for membership of the FL, and as such agree to abide by the rules, including FFP, and to accept such penalties for not doing so.
Thus, should they return to the FL and not agree to abide by the membership rules then they might find they are not accepted, and therefore would have to sue to gain membership and risk losing, and finally going bust.

[MJG]

This is the whole point, they joined the FL knowing the rules,  broke them and if the FL don't follow up with the fine then they lose all credibility.
When the clubs meet in the summer and the 'application' for QPR to join is discussed they could well not be invited to take part in any FL division.

[copthornemike]

well... I am not sure the monetary fine is something they could legally enforce, rather than it having to be agreed by both parties... but by that same token, there is no legal right for them to be allowed to compete in the football league, so
presumably they could be booted out if they don't wanna play by the rules?

I suspect the biggest mistake QPR may have made is not challenging the decision - possibly via the Sports Court of Arbitration - earlier. Now the League can point out that the delay confirms that QPR have wilfully tried to avoid the League's then existing guidelines.

[blingo]

They'll come to an agreement and both sides will save face. End of problem.

[westcliff white]

This is the whole point, they joined the FL knowing the rules,  broke them and if the FL don't follow up with the fine then they lose all credibility.
When the clubs meet in the summer and the 'application' for QPR to join is discussed they could well not be invited to take part in any FL division.

SPot on MJG, if thre FL dont act then I think they wil lhave no gorunds to punish anyone. The fine is enforcable as QPR signed up to it when applying for the FL end of.

Although according to a mate of mine (QPR Fan) Fernandes wants to be judges on the new rules form next season

[Twig]

Just deduct the fine from their parachute payment.

[westcliff white]

Just deduct the fine from their parachute payment.

I believe it is more than the payment

[MJG]

Just deduct the fine from their parachute payment.

Can't be done as it's PL money and not championship money. They have zero control over it.

[JHaynes Paperboy]

The Leatherhead & District Sunday Football League are looking for new clubs to join their League, and Loftus road is in their catchment area.

Brings back memories,monthly meetings at Leatherhead FC bar, they should fit in nicely.

[Logicalman]

Just deduct the fine from their parachute payment.

Can't be done as it's PL money and not championship money. They have zero control over it.

.. though once the monies go into the coffers, then it's just their money isn't it. So TF lends the club the 60 Mill or so 'fine' and gets repaid a few months later. (well, 30 mill of it anyways).

[Andy S]

It just shows what joke this fair play lark is. So the football league introduce it and they are willing to cripple clubs to enforce it. I think they should dock clubs points if they go over their limit as that would seriously hamper a chance to return to the premier league.  A nice ten points sounds good

[MJG]

It just shows what joke this fair play lark is. So the football league introduce it and they are willing to cripple clubs to enforce it. I think they should dock clubs points if they go over their limit as that would seriously hamper a chance to return to the premier league.  A nice ten points sounds good

QPR and teams who don't follow the rules are crippling themselves anyway. FFP is not perfect at all,  but it's a start at trying to make clubs work within their means.
The part that needs work is how money injected into a club for transfer fees is accounted for. Investment on infrastructure does not count.
For me it's all about the transfers being controlled by the FA's with money deposited with them by the clubs and that's their transfer fees. All separate to the actual running costs of the clubs and I include wages in that.

[Artful Dodger]

Just deduct the fine from their parachute payment.

I believe it is more than the payment

Not sure what the parachute payment amounts to but the fine is rumoured to be around £50m - pound for pound of any loss over £8m and they lost best part of £60m in the year they were promoted.

It will be a real test for the Football League. If they don't enforce it, it makes a mockery of the rules. I can only imagine QPR will fight it so it will be interesting to see what happens.

In some respects though, I am not sure it is quite the right rule. A very rich owner could just right that cost off and it has no impact - it really needs to prevent the owner or club with no means of paying off debts but how you do that fairly, I am not sure as the wealth of the owner sits outside the legal entity that is the club.