Symons vs Sanchez same tactics

[Ordar]

I mentioned this on another thread, but isn't how we're playing under Symons exactly the same tactically as we played under Sanchez? Long balls forward bypassing the midfield, a lack of genuine width error prone back line, full backs exposed, no pace playing percentage football.

I'd love to see a heat map and stats from a game under Sanchez compared to a game under Symons

[The Old Count]

Probably, the only difference is that Kit is more amiable than Sanchez.

The football is just as dire though.

[St Eve]

Sanchez actually didn't do too bad in the transfer market in retrospect

[Lighthouse]

That's it for me. I am off on a sabbatical to some sanity. When we have Symons v Sanchez threads after two matches into the new season. Well the asylum really has been taken over by the inmates. Don't touch anything sharp. Remember any signing we make is a bad signing. It is all Symons fault the Greek didn't stay and his fault we haven't signed every good player by the start of the season.

Now where is that gun. Better not give it to Smith because he would miss with it. Oh hold on that has to be Symons fault as well.  :005: 090.gif

[J.Perkins]

Sanchez actually didn't do too bad in the transfer market in retrospect

He did woefully, which was the main reason it cost him his job. He overpaid for players with Championship experience at most, which very few actually came off.

[Logicalman]

What an absolutely poor and ridiculous comparison, has the Kit slagging off come to a new low finally? Two completely different squads, different prior managers different owners and finally, different leagues. Oh, same ground, NOW I see where the comparison is the same!

[HatterDon]

That's it for me. I am off on a sabbatical to some sanity. When we have Symons v Sanchez threads after two matches into the new season. Well the asylum really has been taken over by the inmates. Don't touch anything sharp. Remember any signing we make is a bad signing. It is all Symons fault the Greek didn't stay and his fault we haven't signed every good player by the start of the season.

Now where is that gun. Better not give it to Smith because he would miss with it. Oh hold on that has to be Symons fault as well.  :005: 090.gif

You and me both, Mr. Sunshine. See you on Facebook.

[Ordar]

As mentioned in the original post, for those over reacting, I was talking about the tactics and style of play. To say that it isn't similar is just wrong.

Re-Watch how the team played under Sanchez, and then rewatch any of the games under Symons.

If you disagree, rather than throwing a wobbly why not give some constructive counter arguments. This is a forum after all...

[St Eve]

Sanchez actually didn't do too bad in the transfer market in retrospect

He did woefully, which was the main reason it cost him his job. He overpaid for players with Championship experience at most, which very few actually came off.

I could be wrong but I thought he brought in Murphy, Hughes and Baird

[VicHalomsLovechild]

We used to loose games in the final minutes back then as well.

[colinwhite]

Sanchez was an arrogant clown but he did also sign konchesky Davis an kamara . Then with a team full of short arses and no pace trodd to play the long ball game

[Oakeshott]

J Perkins

"He did woefully"

If you check the facts, for all his on field disappointment LS was arguably one of our best signers of new players, along with Jean Tigana and Roy. It wasn't just whom he bought, but the rubbish he sold for a big price.

In

Danny Murphy - arguably the Club's best player since Johnny Haynes

Aaron Hughes - half of the "Thames Barrier"

Chris Baird - a valuable squad player whom we would be better with today

Paul Konchelsky - arguably our best left back over the last nine years

Steve Davis - currently playing regularly for Southampton in the Premiership

Diomansy Kamara - very frustrating but his goals away against Man City kept us up in Roy's first season

David Healy - high scoring N Irish international never quite able to perform as consistently at Premiership level but a trier


Out

Zak Knight - to Villa for £3.m. Like Kamara inconsistent, except with regard to distribution where he was consistently diabolical.

[RaySmith]

I think Symons is  Sanchez in disguise - the only way Laurie could get back into the game as a top level manager.

Same difference! - manager of Northern Ireland, assistant manager of Wales.

One bought in all NI players, the other  brought in all Welsh ........oh, wait a minute, that was Coleman.

One has a very short player up front- Healy, one has a very tall one - Smith.

Same difference!

Have you ever seen them in the same room at the same time?

[Ordar]

I think Symons is  Sanchez in disguise - the only way Laurie could get back into the game as a top level manager.

Same difference! - manager of Northern Ireland, assistant manager of Wales.

One bought in all NI players, the other  brought in all Welsh ........oh, wait a minute, that was Coleman.

One has a very short player up front- Healy, one has a very tall one - Smith.

Same difference!

Have you ever seen them in the same room at the same time?

I think you'll find McBride played up front with Healy and then once injured we brought in Kuqi. But thank you for that condescending post.

As mentioned twice on this thread I said the the play the similar tactics/ style of play.

What I find interesting is that all the people who will back Kit to the hilt are the same ones who didn't want Allardyce because of his route one football (which is incorrect anyway as he hasn't played that way since early Bolton days) and now Kit has set us up to do the same

[epsomraver]

Where you get that the tactics by Kit are the same as Sanchez is beyond me, do you really go and watch any games?

[Ordar]

Where you get that the tactics by Kit are the same as Sanchez is beyond me, do you really go and watch any games?

Explain how they are different? And yes I do go to the games, I've had a season ticket on and off for 20 years, plus I got to a lot of away games and stream those I cant go to if they are available.

Both play direct styles, by passing the midfield looking for knock downs. Under Sanchez we actually played with wingers but rarely used them effectively. The defence was error prone (see Zat Knight) and we had a tendency for conceding late goals. Football was pedestrian and easy to defend as it was 1 dimensional. Full backs were constantly under pressure (Baird) and we got exposed by teams who played with width and pace.

Sound familiar??

[colinwhite]

Kit is nice and Sanchez was full of himself. Actually one tactical difference between the two was that Sanchez wanted his full backs to hit diagonal forward balls over the opponents defence and then try to win second balls . Kits team plays the ball often relatively straight , previously mostly from hutchinson and now more predominately through Ohara.
Kit tried to play that way with Hugo and Sanchez even did it with Healy........

[Dixie]

Sanchez actually didn't do too bad in the transfer market in retrospect

Are you serious? Sanchez is easily the worst manager we have had in my 30 years of supporting this team! I would much rather have Magath back than him!

[St Eve]

Sanchez actually didn't do too bad in the transfer market in retrospect

Are you serious? Sanchez is easily the worst manager we have had in my 30 years of supporting this team! I would much rather have Magath back than him!

I never said that he was a good manager. I said that he did well in the transfer market

[Logicalman]

As mentioned in the original post, for those over reacting, I was talking about the tactics and style of play. To say that it isn't similar is just wrong.

Re-Watch how the team played under Sanchez, and then rewatch any of the games under Symons.

If you disagree, rather than throwing a wobbly why not give some constructive counter arguments. This is a forum after all...

I did, there is no comparison, and you ignored it.

I think Symons is  Sanchez in disguise - the only way Laurie could get back into the game as a top level manager.

Same difference! - manager of Northern Ireland, assistant manager of Wales.

One bought in all NI players, the other  brought in all Welsh ........oh, wait a minute, that was Coleman.

One has a very short player up front- Healy, one has a very tall one - Smith.

Same difference!

Have you ever seen them in the same room at the same time?

I think you'll find McBride played up front with Healy and then once injured we brought in Kuqi. But thank you for that condescending post.

As mentioned twice on this thread I said the the play the similar tactics/ style of play.

What I find interesting is that all the people who will back Kit to the hilt are the same ones who didn't want Allardyce because of his route one football (which is incorrect anyway as he hasn't played that way since early Bolton days) and now Kit has set us up to do the same

I back Kit to the hilt, but I was very much in favor of Big Sam coming to the club, so stop all these generalisations about people and things you don't know just to back up your poor arguments!