Will we ever see FFC back in the Premiership?

[rogerpbackinMidEastUS]

What a lot of people seem to forget is Mr Khan's pride and reputation as a successful businessman, which will obviously be extremely important to him.
He must be hurting inside right now.

I can't imagine for one moment he's in his office brushing aside 'Fulham Things"  with "Not now I'm far too busy"

Having inherited people, dismissed people, brought in who he was told were the best people, been swayed by many of us fans who wished for Kit (possibly an example of his loyalty to fans) to be appinted, Listened to their pleadings to sign CS experienced players, studied the FFP rules and constraints.
Has anyone considered he might be a bit more ethical and fiscally responsible than other owners who have 'splashed the cash' to get promoted, although QPR don't seem to have been penalized

He's a businessman for goodness sake, and American sports folk thrive on data and figures so he will know that playing Rotherham at home in the CS won't draw as big a crowd as playing teams like Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs etc on alternate weeks.
He runs loads of businesses I'm sure and like Branson, Trump, Slim and people of that financial ilk, he surrounds himself with the 'best available'
With us it's not been successful so far but with all of the recent turmoil and instability he's probably biding his time for a while longer.
If changes come in the not too distant future we will (hopefully) be a quick 'hop, skip and jump' to the play off places and then upwards.
I really don't think he's playing Ostrich, it's not in his interests.

Someone posted on here the other day about Kit's subs and did many of us question them at the time,
(that person for the most part was probably right although I admit Kit has made some howlers )
It doesn't matter how tired O'Hara may have been it was only 2-0 and he was controlling the midfield.

I still believe Mr Khan will come good and if/when we get to sustainability in the PS perhaps (NIMBYS permitting) we may even get two x 1,000' long screens and swimming pools on top of the Hammy End

roger, you know I love you, i have said so in public before!
BUT
I am not so sure he will come good and I am vastly worried what may come afterwards.
since he arrived we have gone backwards and he has failed to do the two most important things
1) deal with the failed CEO and board
2) turn up when things are wrong i.e. show leadership

these two matters are so staggeringly obvious that i fail to comprehend on any level how they are neglected. until these two things are properly rectified we will continue to slide. this is unfortunately the inevitable consequence of thinking you can run a profesional football team with a bunch of pretty PR men in key positions. as I said the three stooges we saw in the close season rang alarm bells. maybe mey doom mongering will not come true this season, but surely within two seasons we will be in lkeague one if Khan does not wake up, smell the coffee and take proper positive action and that means so some leadership.

I still love you even if you think he will turn it round by doing more of the same.

Nose, NB and St Eve,

I do think he has tried to bring in who he was 'led to believe' were first class staff.
I assume the main source and only constant for these choices was Ali Mac
Managers, Kit (popular fans choice) the Gang of Five, Rigg, Curbishley etc.
He's made money available and declared that the ground will be upgraded.
He was sold the idea of CS experienced players 'only' following last season.

Now, I firmly believe, he has wised up and he knows that this isn't working
and suspect that after the Brum game, if we are not teetering on the edge of top 6,
the cack will hit the fan.
Unless we are well adrift, this will still give us plenty of time, more than half a season.
What we don't need is a win at Middlesboro (QPR-style) followed by only 1 or 2 points
against Leeds and Reading with inconsistent, inept performances, dead ball conceded goals
and a couple more "We will learn from these mistakes"

If that does happen, I think the cow pats will hit the air conditioner a lot quicker.

So, mixed with my enthusiasm and hope, there is an air of inevitability, and it will be brought
about by a 'non-sitting on the fence any more" Mr Khan

I hope  :0)

[St Eve]

The concern is as an investor you would think that he would have done his homework. He has lost over 100 million in a couple of years. Unthinkable in the business world. It's not getting better anytime soon. Premiership money is drying up and attendances are slowly decreasing. We are a mid table team and frankly a long long way from a premiership quality team. I used to worry about playing the top four premiership teams now I would be scared to death.

[Burt]

I'm with Nose on this one, Roger, and one admires your positivety.  But when one considers Americans in business are pretty ruthless, yet so many incompetants have been kept on board, one questions the desires of the head honcho, as you might refer to as.  One sees this model only duplicated by another American owner Randy Lerner, and he wants to get RID of his club!!

One also thinks that when one uses the word one so much one sounds like a douche.

No need for getting personal, Mr. Blanco...

[Lighthouse]

It is very hard not to sound patronising when faced with some of the posts on this thread. Many look at a moment in time and come to a conclusion that this moment will be repeated endlessly.

After an awful lack of consistent investment. The club were allowed to sink from the Prem. After some awful decisions under our new owner that followed on from the latter neglect from Al Fayed. We have had to rebuild twice. We are slowly turning from continual decline to steadying the club and the next step will hopefully making the club climb back up.

So many different things have to come into play. But as long as we don't panic and start making the sort of decisions that made us bring in a totally unsuitable manager to be in total charge and unsuitable forwards for huge amounts of money that have injury on injury and are never fit. We should see a return to battling for promotion within the next few seasons.

[nose]

What a lot of people seem to forget is Mr Khan's pride and reputation as a successful businessman, which will obviously be extremely important to him.
He must be hurting inside right now.

I can't imagine for one moment he's in his office brushing aside 'Fulham Things"  with "Not now I'm far too busy"

Having inherited people, dismissed people, brought in who he was told were the best people, been swayed by many of us fans who wished for Kit (possibly an example of his loyalty to fans) to be appinted, Listened to their pleadings to sign CS experienced players, studied the FFP rules and constraints.
Has anyone considered he might be a bit more ethical and fiscally responsible than other owners who have 'splashed the cash' to get promoted, although QPR don't seem to have been penalized

He's a businessman for goodness sake, and American sports folk thrive on data and figures so he will know that playing Rotherham at home in the CS won't draw as big a crowd as playing teams like Arsenal, Man Utd, Spurs etc on alternate weeks.
He runs loads of businesses I'm sure and like Branson, Trump, Slim and people of that financial ilk, he surrounds himself with the 'best available'
With us it's not been successful so far but with all of the recent turmoil and instability he's probably biding his time for a while longer.
If changes come in the not too distant future we will (hopefully) be a quick 'hop, skip and jump' to the play off places and then upwards.
I really don't think he's playing Ostrich, it's not in his interests.

Someone posted on here the other day about Kit's subs and did many of us question them at the time,
(that person for the most part was probably right although I admit Kit has made some howlers )
It doesn't matter how tired O'Hara may have been it was only 2-0 and he was controlling the midfield.

I still believe Mr Khan will come good and if/when we get to sustainability in the PS perhaps (NIMBYS permitting) we may even get two x 1,000' long screens and swimming pools on top of the Hammy End

roger, you know I love you, i have said so in public before!
BUT
I am not so sure he will come good and I am vastly worried what may come afterwards.
since he arrived we have gone backwards and he has failed to do the two most important things
1) deal with the failed CEO and board
2) turn up when things are wrong i.e. show leadership

these two matters are so staggeringly obvious that i fail to comprehend on any level how they are neglected. until these two things are properly rectified we will continue to slide. this is unfortunately the inevitable consequence of thinking you can run a profesional football team with a bunch of pretty PR men in key positions. as I said the three stooges we saw in the close season rang alarm bells. maybe mey doom mongering will not come true this season, but surely within two seasons we will be in lkeague one if Khan does not wake up, smell the coffee and take proper positive action and that means so some leadership.

I still love you even if you think he will turn it round by doing more of the same.

Nose, NB and St Eve,

I do think he has tried to bring in who he was 'led to believe' were first class staff.
I assume the main source and only constant for these choices was Ali Mac
Managers, Kit (popular fans choice) the Gang of Five, Rigg, Curbishley etc.
He's made money available and declared that the ground will be upgraded.
He was sold the idea of CS experienced players 'only' following last season.

Now, I firmly believe, he has wised up and he knows that this isn't working
and suspect that after the Brum game, if we are not teetering on the edge of top 6,
the cack will hit the fan.
Unless we are well adrift, this will still give us plenty of time, more than half a season.
What we don't need is a win at Middlesboro (QPR-style) followed by only 1 or 2 points
against Leeds and Reading with inconsistent, inept performances, dead ball conceded goals
and a couple more "We will learn from these mistakes"

If that does happen, I think the cow pats will hit the air conditioner a lot quicker.

So, mixed with my enthusiasm and hope, there is an air of inevitability, and it will be brought
about by a 'non-sitting on the fence any more" Mr Khan

I hope  :0)

well i hope you are right but I am not convinced that mr khan is yet showing any proper leadership.

[nose]

It is very hard not to sound patronising when faced with some of the posts on this thread. Many look at a moment in time and come to a conclusion that this moment will be repeated endlessly.

After an awful lack of consistent investment. The club were allowed to sink from the Prem. After some awful decisions under our new owner that followed on from the latter neglect from Al Fayed. We have had to rebuild twice. We are slowly turning from continual decline to steadying the club and the next step will hopefully making the club climb back up.

So many different things have to come into play. But as long as we don't panic and start making the sort of decisions that made us bring in a totally unsuitable manager to be in total charge and unsuitable forwards for huge amounts of money that have injury on injury and are never fit. We should see a return to battling for promotion within the next few seasons.

I admire your positive response. and i feel sure you do not really think for a second many of us take a spur of the moment attitude with this type of thread.

MAF, for whatever else he did or did not do, showed true leadership. I do not think he lacked investment in the club but I do knwo that once it was clear the fans did not want to leave the cottage he reigned in the spending. only with a bigger capacity, and by that i mean substantially greater, would such large investment be secured. but even with what he did spend and jol did have plenty of money to waste, we should comfortably have remained in the top division. I need hardly reming you we brought in steklenberg, a disaster when we already had a top goalkeeper, berba, and we all saw he was brilliant for a few games until he wasn't and ruiz... and the money for these three alone spent mpre wisely, plus jol keeping his better players onside would have done wonders.

khan shows no leadership at all, that is the problem and on top of that he rewards failure which is fatal.

I do think it is very close to the time for us the supporters to panic. I see no evidence of a long term structure for improvement. I honestly believe we are in more danger of relegation in the next three years than promotion if we stay as we are.

now this is not meant to be an argument but my opinion and judgment based on all my years of watching/supporting Fulham and also all my experience of running my own successful business. Now clearly mr khan is vastly more wealthy than me, but that does not make him infalible, he is as capable of making errors of judgment as the rest of us. That is what he has done to date in the running of our club.

I hope your positive attitude proves to be more correct than my jaundiced view that I have had for such a very long time.

[RaySmith]

It is very hard not to sound patronising when faced with some of the posts on this thread. Many look at a moment in time and come to a conclusion that this moment will be repeated endlessly.

After an awful lack of consistent investment. The club were allowed to sink from the Prem. After some awful decisions under our new owner that followed on from the latter neglect from Al Fayed. We have had to rebuild twice. We are slowly turning from continual decline to steadying the club and the next step will hopefully making the club climb back up.

So many different things have to come into play. But as long as we don't panic and start making the sort of decisions that made us bring in a totally unsuitable manager to be in total charge and unsuitable forwards for huge amounts of money that have injury on injury and are never fit. We should see a return to battling for promotion within the next few seasons.

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[JHaynes Paperboy]

I sure hope so.  It's always more enjoyable to watch a sport you like played at the highest level.  I'd rather see Fulham tie or lose to Arsenal than to watch us win against Derby.  Plus, I'm not getting any younger.  Soon I'll have to think twice before buying any green bananas. :021:

Bit Hypocritical isn't it? A draw against Boro away isn't good enough though?

[rubbernecca]

I sure hope so.  It's always more enjoyable to watch a sport you like played at the highest level.  I'd rather see Fulham tie or lose to Arsenal than to watch us win against Derby.  Plus, I'm not getting any younger.  Soon I'll have to think twice before buying any green bananas. :021:

Bit Hypocritical isn't it? A draw against Boro away isn't good enough though?

No, it's like being mediocre at golf. A good hole can keep you coming back, just as a decent result will keep Kit as manager.  It doesn't change the fact that he's a mediocre manager.

[you lucky people]

was at Boro Saturday and it struck me there that they are where we will be in a few years, having been relegated some years ago, gone through a period of hard times and are now mounting a consistent challenge to get back into The Premier League, I think we'll be in The Championship for a few years yet.

[davew]

I have heard the name Khan several times on here. is he the boxer, cricketer or somebody else with the same surname that apparently has something to do with this club now?

[hovewhite]

Back to the question ,the next 2years ,we have a chance after that championship at best,I would love it!if we got back.If not the football league it is!

[Wimbledon_White]

Is anyone else actually quite enjoying The Championship?

[St Eve]

Is anyone else actually quite enjoying The Championship?

No

[love4ffc]

Is anyone else actually quite enjoying The Championship?

I am.  Don't get me wrong I would rather be in the PL for several reasons.  First among them the chance to catch the lads live on the tele more often.  But as a league goes the Championship is a pretty good league.  I've seen some great matches so far and I love that anyone have a good chance to beat anyone on a given day in this league. 

Don't won't to remain in this league but I'm enjoying the competition. 

[MJG]

Is anyone else actually quite enjoying The Championship?

I am.  Don't get me wrong I would rather be in the PL for several reasons.  First among them the chance to catch the lads live on the tele more often.  But as a league goes the Championship is a pretty good league.  I've seen some great matches so far and I love that anyone have a good chance to beat anyone on a given day in this league. 

Don't won't to remain in this league but I'm enjoying the competition. 

Exactly this. But I'd also add that while as a game to watch I'm not that bothered which league we are in...I support them whatever...its important for the future of the club we getbup asap. So all about money really.

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[Forever Fulham]

I envy you London area fans, but many of us can't view live telecasts of the game, which is next best to being in the stadium.  So that's another reason why I want the team promoted back to EPL as soon as possible.  Plus the level of play is better, the quality of players more exciting, the audiences larger.  We've thrown our lot in when times were good.  We're still here while in the wilderness of no live telecasts.  I don't know how some of you can deride Shahid Khan.  He has spent.  He has placed his trust in people believed to be knowledgeable and capable.  I haven't heard any whisper talk of Khan refusing to buy this player or that player, or hoarding his fortune.  And, frankly, I don't want an owner like Chelsea's got.  Yuck.   Course, I also don't want an Arsenal owner either.  Give me a happy medium.