BREXIT impact on Fulham

[MJG]

Equally as concerning for clubs would be the regulation which governs the registration of youth players.

FIFA rules state that players under the age of 18 cannot be transferred across borders. However, there is an exception within the European Union which reduces the age to 16, as it is against EU statutes to restrict the movement of people aged 16-18.

This means 16-year-olds have always been able to move between European clubs when they reach professional-contract age, and that in turn has led to hundreds of players switching clubs for a minimal compensation fee.

[cmg]

The referendum result itself does not carry with it any legal obligation or force. Following negotiated agreements under Article 50 (or two years after its invocation if no agreements are reached) it will still need Parliamentary legislation for the UK to leave the EU. In theory a pro-remain Parliament could vote down 'leave' legislation. MPs are unlikely to so brazenly go against democratically expressed public opinion (and leading politicians have said they will accept the referendum result - so that's all right!) and political mayhem would certainly result.

So there is unlikely to be much rapid change in Fulham's situation or that of football in general, although MD may prefer his next pay cheque to be in Euros!

[bobbo]

The original post referred to SJ . He is Serbian and as such would have had to acquire a work permit anyway. The statement is tantamount to saying we couldn't go work in America , which of course having gone through the correct procedure we can.

[MJG]

The original post referred to SJ . He is Serbian and as such would have had to acquire a work permit anyway. The statement is tantamount to saying we couldn't go work in America , which of course having gone through the correct procedure we can.

How many points will a manager need to work in this country using an Australian style points system? And i'm not talking league points

[JHaynes Paperboy]

Fulham v Newcastle will be a significant game.

It will highlight the North/South divide.
Interesting that 'Central London' had huge "remain" votes but the outer suburbs (commuter belts) were predominantly "Leave'

Newcastle voted to Remain.

[Burt]

Fulham v Newcastle will be a significant game.

It will highlight the North/South divide.
Interesting that 'Central London' had huge "remain" votes but the outer suburbs (commuter belts) were predominantly "Leave'

Newcastle voted to Remain.

Only just, and by a lot less than the pundits were forecasting.

Anyhow, hopefully they will be remaining on zero points after the match.

See what I did there?

[ToodlesMcToot]

Curious to read how folks believe the value of the English player will be affected both within English football and continentally.

If the value of the pound remains suppressed, would players from the UK be more inclined to test continental waters for Euros rather than stay "home" so to speak.

[epsomraver]

Curious to read how folks believe the value of the English player will be affected both within English football and continentally.

If the value of the pound remains suppressed, would players from the UK be more inclined to test continental waters for Euros rather than stay "home" so to speak.

In all my years as a football fan I have never heard anyone refer to exchange rates when explaining a particular transfer deal.

As I said earlier the pound has moves up or down, to a greater extent than it has today, pretty much every season, but you don't see Foreign clubs clamouring for English players or vice versa as a consequence.

Without wanting to get too political, it will be 10 yrs before we know the true economic impact of brexit. Today's events are just a consequence of the establishment's nightmarish predictions about brexit, which are self-fulfilling. The FTSE and Sterling were both stabilising or even bouncing back slightly by the time I left the office.

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[KP_FFC]

Guess we should have kept that donkey Burn instead of going for "average european players"

[Skatzoffc]

Imo I can't see the EU change having anything to do with football.
Ho hum.

[RaySmith]

Imo I can't see the EU change having anything to do with football.
Ho hum.

It will affect everything in one way or another.

[Lighthouse]

The vote was also to break up the UK. So Scotland and N Ireland will be breaking away from what was the UK. So English players with the odd Welshman if they decide to stay will the only ones not requiring passports and jabs.

[dannyboi-ffc]

The vote was also to break up the UK. So Scotland and N Ireland will be breaking away from what was the UK. So English players with the odd Welshman if they decide to stay will the only ones not requiring passports and jabs.

Haven't some people started calling for London to go independent now because it voted remain. If that's the case we will be left with Betts, Fredericks and Parker lol.

[Snibbo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-25/brexit-premier-league-in-limbo-over-foreign-players/7543152
Key points:

Confusion in EPL circles over Brexit's impact on foreign players
Premier League clubs could lose right to sign u18 foreign players
Formula One says Brexit will make no difference
On a practical level there was confusion over what the EU exit would mean for foreign players, not only in the lucrative English Premier League, but also in cricket and rugby union.

Sports lawyers say it is crucial that Britain negotiates successfully to remain part of Europe's single market, which enshrines freedom of movement.

Failure to do so could lead to an exodus of foreign talent and also restrictions on buying players.

Clubs could also lose the right to sign young players under the age of 18. At the moment, they can carry out such deals under a special arrangement between football world governing body FIFA and the EU.

Lineker, though, was more concerned about what impact the vote would have on his four sons.

'Ashamed of my generation'

The 55-year-old former Barcelona and England striker blasted the 50+ generation - the majority of whom voted to leave - for letting down the young.



Former Liverpool and England defender, and father of two, Jamie Carragher, a Champions League winner in 2005, also aimed his vitriol at the 50+ generation.


Northern Irish golf superstar Rory McIlroy cheekily suggested going back to January 1 and starting the whole year over again.
Northern Ireland was one of the few geographical regions - London and Scotland being the other two - where a majority of voters wished to remain.


Premier League question mark over foreign talent

Aguero celebrates goal in League Cup semi-final
PHOTO: The Premier League's foreign stars have been crucial to making it the most watched competition in European football. (Getty Images: Laurence Griffiths)
In terms of the effect on foreign playing talent in English football, Football Association (FA) chairman Greg Dyke - a pro-Remain campaigner - said it would take a while to assess the impact.

"It could take two years to really know, but there could be quite an impact on English football because of Brexit," he said.

"It would be a shame if some of the great European players can't come here but I don't think that will happen. Whether the total number reduces will depend on the terms of the exit."
Dan Lowen, a partner at a leading specialist sports law firm, said staying in the single market was essential to ensure the Premier League remained competitive in the transfer market for foreign talent.

However, if at the end of the future negotiations over exiting the EU Britain did not succeed in remaining a member then all bets were off.

The extent of the impact "will be dependent in part on the terms of the renegotiated relationship with the EU. If we remain within the single market and accept freedom of movement as a result, the position may not change significantly.

"On the other hand, if there is no freedom of movement, it will be left to the UK government to determine the work permit rules that apply to players with EU citizenship."
Brexit makes no difference to F1: Ecclestone

[toshes mate]

Anyone would think the UK lived in total isolation pre-1973.  The truth is the reverse, with Britain being a pretty cosmopolitan place throughout the sixties.  The greatest threat to Fulham, where I was born and bred, was the influx of gentrification once Kensington and Chelsea was full.  Crossing the Thames to Battersea, Wandsworth, Putney, Clapham etc was the answer.  We are often asked to focus on immigrants but the reality is simply one of who has the money and therefore the clout.  Only people of my age group know what Fulham was like just after the end of WW2.  I once had a girlfriend who lived in a basement flat opposite Stamford Bridge which had no bathroom or inside loo.  Her parents were eventually harassed into departing for accommodation in the much poorer Wandsworth. Football was truly working class but there was still trading for foreign players and coaching staff etc but obviously not on the scale there is today.  Money spoke just as loudly as it does today and that is why Johnny Haynes is rightfully held in such high regard by Fulham Football Club, not just as a truly gifted player.

Leaving the EU may be the start of something very new for Europe but I am not over worried about how it will pan out.  It could just mark the renaissance of decency, something Johnny Haynes taught everyone who watched him play.   It may be a very enlightening decade coming up, and people may be admiring the leave voters before too much water has travelled under the bridge.

[Mitch]

When applying for a work permit, there are exceptions for exceptional cases. Martial wouldn't for instance have enough recent caps for France, but he would undoubtedly get a permit. If someone was going to be paid bucket loads, and would hopefully be paying UK tax on that (another issue), that transfer is going to happen.

u18's moving from Europe to England though - that could change recruitment dramatically. Could even have a positive impact on younger players? Who knows?

[Woolly Mammoth]

Why wouldn't Britain simply revise those rules/laws which will otherwise negatively impact football once the EU accommodations no longer apply?  It 's not as if governing organisations and legislative bodies can't make the changes necessary to maintain certain advantages and parity gained during all of the years when Britain was part of the EU, right?  As I read these very informative posts, I'm left with the sense that the posters think it's an either/or proposition.  I don't agree with that notion.  Rules and regs will be revised to keep certain privileges gained under the EU regime, once that regime no longer controls.  Why?  Because they worked and benefited Britain.  I guess what I'm suggesting is that you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Pick and choose what you liked about the effects of once being part of the EU, and try to implement them post-break up.   Go forward, not backward. 

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[Friendsoffulham]

Can we remind everyone once again, that this post is based around what the impact would be on FFC by leaving the EU, and not any other political matters. Political debates on this Forum are not encouraged, however, we've given this one the benefit of the doubt, so please keep within those guidelines. We've been through this post again, and removed any comments that are not relevant to the this post.   

[ffc73]

The same rules shall surely apply to FFC as to all clubs and businesses.  It will probably mean that if special dispensation is given to a entertainer that kicks or heads a ball well enough to be considered for employment by FFC that same dispensation will be entitled to the qualified cleaner, food seller, turnstile operator et al that is equally talented in their field of work and FFC wish to employ them.  If not how will FFC let us into a clean ground and sell us food and drink?

[Forever Fulham]

I think post-break up changes to rules affecting football (who can play, how many of them can play, travel restrictions, wage and hour/conditions of employment, bargaining representation, etc.)  can be given different treatment than would be afforded for turnstile operators, food preparers, and cleaners (the examples given in recent posts, above).  In the services industry, certain services are considered unique, rather than fungible.  I think football players fit that profile.  I can see Britain and the EU (for as long as there still is an EU) coming to mutual agreement on rules of the road regarding treatment of pro sports players so as to retain, to the greatest extent possible, a level playing field of treatment, advantages to all concerned as of the present moment.  Why should there be any protectionist legislation that treats the native player differently from the foreign player?  One of the characteristics of the EPL and the Championship league that is so interesting to fans of the game is the mix of nationalities playing for clubs.  And managing the teams.  Why revert to wall building?  Of course there should be more English players starting on English league teams.  In a perfect world anyway.  But if you force quotas down fans' throats, you end up with a diluted product.  And homogeneity breeds a lack of innovation and improvement.  I hope Britain and EU decide to maintain freedom of movement for players, and other progressive stances for the betterment of the game, and the appreciation of the fans who want to see a superior product on the pitch.