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The Official Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2018/19

Started by Mince n Tatties, May 17, 2018, 05:58:05 PM

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Denver Fulham

Quote from: MrD1879 on July 04, 2018, 02:36:29 PM
I don't necessarily think Fonte is a bad player just a "second striker" / number 10 who likes the drop deep and link up play appreciate he played as a lone striker for Braga or on the flanks but doesn't take much of a scouting department to realise he has neither the pace or physicality to play as either for us. Clear example of the transfer gurus  (numpties) not listening to how Slav wants to play or the type of player we needed

There's an easy way to tell which transfers were "Slav's guys" -- whether he continues to play them over other options. He totally buried guys like Mollo, Graham, Cisse and even Kebano, but kept playing Fonte, even in sub roles down the stretch. He also raved about Fonte when he arrived.

Every single piece of evidence points to Fonte being a Slav choice, but that doesn't fit the "analysts are numpties" narrative.

MJG

Quote from: Denver Fulham on July 04, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on July 04, 2018, 02:36:29 PM
I don't necessarily think Fonte is a bad player just a "second striker" / number 10 who likes the drop deep and link up play appreciate he played as a lone striker for Braga or on the flanks but doesn't take much of a scouting department to realise he has neither the pace or physicality to play as either for us. Clear example of the transfer gurus  (numpties) not listening to how Slav wants to play or the type of player we needed

There's an easy way to tell which transfers were "Slav's guys" -- whether he continues to play them over other options. He totally buried guys like Mollo, Graham, Cisse and even Kebano, but kept playing Fonte, even in sub roles down the stretch. He also raved about Fonte when he arrived.

Every single piece of evidence points to Fonte being a Slav choice, but that doesn't fit the "analysts are numpties" narrative.
The answers you will get there is he had no one else.
But it's interesting that Mollo got game time and was then discarded when he went off the rails and didn't follow orders. But initially was being used and looked useful.
The LB Soares, I know the coaches were very pleased when he signed, he was rated by them. But working day in and day out with him they concluded no thanks.

But you are right, the rule of thumb seems to be all the good buys are Joka and the bad ones from stats. It's just not true
Just the views of a long term fan

Twig

Quote from: corbs83 on July 04, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Texas White on July 04, 2018, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Roughly 10m wasn't it? I think we'd struggle to find a suitor for 4m.

Disagree. And I think he is more suited to the premier league. Certainly derserves a chance as does everyone else who got us promoted.

totally agree

I really do not understand the view held by a few posters that Fonte is somehow more suited to the Prem.  he failed in the Championship and the Prem us a big step up.  Defenders tend to be quicker, more tactically astute, better on the ball and into the tackle and play more effectively as a unit. They just rely less on pure physicality.  Now why would a failed Championship level forward player be more suited to that?


Twig

Oh yes, and I agree we will struggle to get 4 mil back on our investment.

Mince n Tatties

One of our kids 17yo Djed Spence has signed for Middlesbrough.

S.F.Sorrow

Quote from: Twig on July 04, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on July 04, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Texas White on July 04, 2018, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Roughly 10m wasn't it? I think we'd struggle to find a suitor for 4m.

Disagree. And I think he is more suited to the premier league. Certainly derserves a chance as does everyone else who got us promoted.

totally agree

I really do not understand the view held by a few posters that Fonte is somehow more suited to the Prem.  he failed in the Championship and the Prem us a big step up.  Defenders tend to be quicker, more tactically astute, better on the ball and into the tackle and play more effectively as a unit. They just rely less on pure physicality.  Now why would a failed Championship level forward player be more suited to that?

Agreed! How can a player so clearly out of his depth in the Championship be better in the Prem??? Possibly, just possibly in a different team, with different players around him, a different coach, in a different system. But in the same team, same tactics.. ??? I really can't see it happening. Apparently he did some positive stuff OFF the pitch but that's not enough to justify the wages he's on.


wheelerdeeler

Quote from: Twig on July 04, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on July 04, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Texas White on July 04, 2018, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Roughly 10m wasn't it? I think we'd struggle to find a suitor for 4m.

Disagree. And I think he is more suited to the premier league. Certainly derserves a chance as does everyone else who got us promoted.

totally agree

I really do not understand the view held by a few posters that Fonte is somehow more suited to the Prem.  he failed in the Championship and the Prem us a big step up.  Defenders tend to be quicker, more tactically astute, better on the ball and into the tackle and play more effectively as a unit. They just rely less on pure physicality.  Now why would a failed Championship level forward player be more suited to that?

It's not impossible that a Striker who struggled in the Championship does well in the Prem. See Josh King. Personally I think we should try Fonte out in a Centre-Mid role in some of the Pre-Season games, because he can read the game quite well.


Marcel_Gecov



wheelerdeeler


simplyfulham

Craig Dawson has handed in a transfer request at West Brom and has not travelled with the squad on pre season.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11698/11426124/craig-dawson-hands-in-west-bromwich-albion-transfer-request

He could be a decent experienced addition to our defense? Especially for £4-5m.

wheelerdeeler

Problem with that line of thinking is West Brom have already turned down 12m from West Ham and want 20m.


Marcel_Gecov

CARDIFF WANT BRYSON?

Cardiff City have agreed a fee with Derby County for midfielder Craig Bryson, according to Wales Online.

The 31-year-old Scottish midfielder has reportedly been subject of a £1.75m bid.

Oh dear, I'd rather nobody i think. Anyone disappointed we missed out?

hovewhite

Quote from: Twig on July 04, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on July 04, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Texas White on July 04, 2018, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Roughly 10m wasn't it? I think we'd struggle to find a suitor for 4m.

Disagree. And I think he is more suited to the premier league. Certainly derserves a chance as does everyone else who got us promoted.

totally agree

I really do not understand the view held by a few posters that Fonte is somehow more suited to the Prem.  he failed in the Championship and the Prem us a big step up.  Defenders tend to be quicker, more tactically astute, better on the ball and into the tackle and play more effectively as a unit. They just rely less on pure physicality.  Now why would a failed Championship level forward player be more suited to that?
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on July 04, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
Quote from: Twig on July 04, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on July 04, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Texas White on July 04, 2018, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Roughly 10m wasn't it? I think we'd struggle to find a suitor for 4m.

Disagree. And I think he is more suited to the premier league. Certainly derserves a chance as does everyone else who got us promoted.

totally agree

I really do not understand the view held by a few posters that Fonte is somehow more suited to the Prem.  he failed in the Championship and the Prem us a big step up.  Defenders tend to be quicker, more tactically astute, better on the ball and into the tackle and play more effectively as a unit. They just rely less on pure physicality.  Now why would a failed Championship level forward player be more suited to that?

Agreed! How can a player so clearly out of his depth in the Championship be better in the Prem??? Possibly, just possibly in a different team, with different players around him, a different coach, in a different system. But in the same team, same tactics.. ??? I really can't see it happening. Apparently he did some positive stuff OFF the pitch but that's not enough to justify the wages he's on.
Quote from: Twig on July 04, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on July 04, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Texas White on July 04, 2018, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Roughly 10m wasn't it? I think we'd struggle to find a suitor for 4m.

Disagree. And I think he is more suited to the premier league. Certainly derserves a chance as does everyone else who got us promoted.

totally agree

I really do not understand the view held by a few posters that Fonte is somehow more suited to the Prem.  he failed in the Championship and the Prem us a big step up.  Defenders tend to be quicker, more tactically astute, better on the ball and into the tackle and play more effectively as a unit. They just rely less on pure physicality.  Now why would a failed Championship level forward player be more suited to that?
Quote from: Twig on July 04, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on July 04, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Texas White on July 04, 2018, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Roughly 10m wasn't it? I think we'd struggle to find a suitor for 4m.

Disagree. And I think he is more suited to the premier league. Certainly derserves a chance as does everyone else who got us promoted.

totally agree

I really do not understand the view held by a few posters that Fonte is somehow more suited to the Prem.  he failed in the Championship and the Prem us a big step up.  Defenders tend to be quicker, more tactically astute, better on the ball and into the tackle and play more effectively as a unit. They just rely less on pure physicality.  Now why would a failed Championship level forward player be more suited to that?
l can only say that he looks a waste of money,he's not the first and won't be the last no doubt ,
But I don't think he will be any better at PL level.
I do hope he is as he seems a good human being so I hope he proves me wrong!



wheelerdeeler

Quote from: mkras99 on July 04, 2018, 09:28:35 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5918359/amp/Aleksandar-Mitrovic-keen-rejoin-Fulham-20m-transfer.html

It's just the same story in a different dress. Won't be any actual movement with Mitrovic in terms of fees or a medical etc. until he's had his holiday which if I had to guess will be no earlier than this time next week given he went out of the World Cup this time last week.

Tabby

Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 04, 2018, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: mkras99 on July 04, 2018, 09:28:35 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5918359/amp/Aleksandar-Mitrovic-keen-rejoin-Fulham-20m-transfer.html

It's just the same story in a different dress. Won't be any actual movement with Mitrovic in terms of fees or a medical etc. until he's had his holiday which if I had to guess will be no earlier than this time next week given he went out of the World Cup this time last week.

It says that we had an offer rejected for Norwood as well, which was news to me at least.

Twig

Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 04, 2018, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: Twig on July 04, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: corbs83 on July 04, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Texas White on July 04, 2018, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 04, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
Roughly 10m wasn't it? I think we'd struggle to find a suitor for 4m.

Disagree. And I think he is more suited to the premier league. Certainly derserves a chance as does everyone else who got us promoted.

totally agree

I really do not understand the view held by a few posters that Fonte is somehow more suited to the Prem.  he failed in the Championship and the Prem us a big step up.  Defenders tend to be quicker, more tactically astute, better on the ball and into the tackle and play more effectively as a unit. They just rely less on pure physicality.  Now why would a failed Championship level forward player be more suited to that?

It's not impossible that a Striker who struggled in the Championship does well in the Prem. See Josh King. Personally I think we should try Fonte out in a Centre-Mid role in some of the Pre-Season games, because he can read the game quite well.

And who would you drop to make room for him?


wheelerdeeler

Quote from: Tabby on July 04, 2018, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 04, 2018, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: mkras99 on July 04, 2018, 09:28:35 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5918359/amp/Aleksandar-Mitrovic-keen-rejoin-Fulham-20m-transfer.html

It's just the same story in a different dress. Won't be any actual movement with Mitrovic in terms of fees or a medical etc. until he's had his holiday which if I had to guess will be no earlier than this time next week given he went out of the World Cup this time last week.

It says that we had an offer rejected for Norwood as well, which was news to me at least.

I took that to be talking about when we had a bid rejected in January when we tried to make him permanent to free up a loan spot.

Tabby

Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 04, 2018, 10:11:23 PM

I took that to be talking about when we had a bid rejected in January when we tried to make him permanent to free up a loan spot.

Oh yeah, we did make a bid then. Completely forgot.