The Official Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2018/19

[fluffyninja]

I keep checking this thread every 2-3 days for what seems like ages now ... hmmm come on Fulham get your arse in gear I  only hope there's a plan i place to back the manager and give him a chance to hit the ground running.

[HillingdonFFC]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

[DevonFFC]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

[Tabby]

We're in for Augustinsson again according to the Daily Mail.

[MJG]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

that is very true, but you can make an educated guess based on both Fulhams past accounts, other clubs following promotion, PL finances and cost of players.
I think the 90m is about right as a max spend with no outgoings. But I'd be surprised if we spend in excess of 60m this summer.

[YoungsBitter]

Yep nobody did say 80M plus other than me, but the amount of first team and squad players needed surley you wont spend 30M on a single player, thats my point really.

I get that but players values have skyrocketed and a player that is 30m today was £15m 12 months ago.
If his boy says "Dad Fulham need this player for 30m", he will get his cheque book out and sign it off.

Considering the money involved, Football must be one of the most technologically retarded industries if transfers still revolve around cheque books and fax machines.

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Maybe not cheque books but that was a figure of speech.

However fax machines are still used.

Fax machines are used because they're legally binding or something to that effect. I remember there was a big thing about it when De Gea didn't go to Real because of a dodgy one.

I cannot believe they still use faxes, we close multi million dollar financings on pdf'ed signed documents, there are always originals but at time of closing the lawyers send through the PDFs by email. "Man surprised by arcane rules and procedures involved with UEFA and the FA" ..of course they still use faxes..

[HillingdonFFC]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

Trust me mate & I mean this with all due respect, he knows far more than you & I about what we can or cant spend .
Does it for a living & is a Fulham fanatic with contacts at the club & is probably more qualified to talk about our finances than other Fulham fan I know,  so if he tells me that is what we can potentially spend then I'm inclined to believe him .

[DevonFFC]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

Trust me mate & I mean this with all due respect, he knows far more than you & I about what we can or cant spend .
Does it for a living & is a Fulham fanatic with contacts at the club & is probably more qualified to talk about our finances than other Fulham fan I know,  so if he tells me that is what we can potentially spend then I'm inclined to believe him .

You carry on then but I would take it with a pinch of salt but good on him.
Some people claim to be in the know on signings..... still waiting for those signings

[RP24]

Back to transfers!

West Ham have said they'd sell antonio for £15m would anyone take him?

[Milo]

I don't suppose it's too far fetched to imagine Mitrovic has a 2 week holiday after the final Serbia game I.e. Wednesday onwards is fair game for a potential signature?

[WolverineFFC]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

that is very true, but you can make an educated guess based on both Fulhams past accounts, other clubs following promotion, PL finances and cost of players.
I think the 90m is about right as a max spend with no outgoings. But I'd be surprised if we spend in excess of 60m this summer.

A legitimate question. When coming up with those figures, does the ability (hypothetically) of selling Sess for 40 mill in the summer of 2019-20 come in to the estimation of spend for FFP or no?

[fulhamben]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

that is very true, but you can make an educated guess based on both Fulhams past accounts, other clubs following promotion, PL finances and cost of players.
I think the 90m is about right as a max spend with no outgoings. But I'd be surprised if we spend in excess of 60m this summer.

A legitimate question. When coming up with those figures, does the ability (hypothetically) of selling Sess for 40 mill in the summer of 2019-20 come in to the estimation of spend for FFP or no?

I'm sure somone will know more than me, but as I see it a club can make a loss of 105 million over 3 years. So we could technically blow that this year which would mean about a 200 million pound spend, give or take a kalas or two. And the other ffp rule is wages at around 63 million.

[Scrumpy]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

that is very true, but you can make an educated guess based on both Fulhams past accounts, other clubs following promotion, PL finances and cost of players.
I think the 90m is about right as a max spend with no outgoings. But I'd be surprised if we spend in excess of 60m this summer.

A legitimate question. When coming up with those figures, does the ability (hypothetically) of selling Sess for 40 mill in the summer of 2019-20 come in to the estimation of spend for FFP or no?

I'm sure somone will know more than me, but as I see it a club can make a loss of 105 million over 3 years. So we could technically blow that this year which would mean about a 200 million pound spend, give or take a kalas or two. And the other ffp rule is wages at around 63 million.

I used to know all the rules in The Champ. But I'm completely in the dark on Premier FFP. Can you give me a rough idea?

[Nero]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

that is very true, but you can make an educated guess based on both Fulhams past accounts, other clubs following promotion, PL finances and cost of players.
I think the 90m is about right as a max spend with no outgoings. But I'd be surprised if we spend in excess of 60m this summer.

A legitimate question. When coming up with those figures, does the ability (hypothetically) of selling Sess for 40 mill in the summer of 2019-20 come in to the estimation of spend for FFP or no?

An interesting article on ffp

https://fypfanzine.uk/analysis/6888-financial-fair-play-what-is-it-and-do-only-palace-care-about-it

only rule seems to cant lose over 105m in 3 years

[fulhamben]

Try this one scrumpy. It's from a crystal Palace site but cuts out all the nonsense
https://fypfanzine.uk/analysis/6888-financial-fair-play-what-is-it-and-do-only-palace-care-about-it

[YoungsBitter]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

that is very true, but you can make an educated guess based on both Fulhams past accounts, other clubs following promotion, PL finances and cost of players.
I think the 90m is about right as a max spend with no outgoings. But I'd be surprised if we spend in excess of 60m this summer.

A legitimate question. When coming up with those figures, does the ability (hypothetically) of selling Sess for 40 mill in the summer of 2019-20 come in to the estimation of spend for FFP or no?

An interesting article on ffp

https://fypfanzine.uk/analysis/6888-financial-fair-play-what-is-it-and-do-only-palace-care-about-it

only rule seems to cant lose over 105m in 3 years

Actually no, its not just the amount, its the increase. The biggest issue for FFC is the STCC, if you had read to the bottom you would have had cold sweats over. This says at least for 2018-2109 the increase in wage bill is limited to £7 million per year. There is the ability to add non-TV revenue to the pot but to put that £7 million in perspective, that would be 10 players at 14k per week or if you remember that the Prem average salary is around £40k per week that means we can add 3 players at average wages.
Our wage base was low - thanks to the Championship but you would have to assume Cairney for sure, Sess and others will be looking for major pay rises. Are you starting to see why Fredericks was never going to be given a third of our STCC cap to stay?
So the solutions are:
1. Extra revenue - new shirt deal, new official "car/hamburger/estate agent" of Fulham type deals. That money can go to salaries over the £7miil.
2. Pay high sign on fees and have wages step up each year of the contract - we get at least another £7mill in 2019/20 and likely will be increased. The player and agent book some of the signing fee into that year's income to make the first year salary seem its higher than w ecan pay within STCC cap. As long as those sign on fees dont trip up the longer term £105million loss.
3. Sell players and book gains over what their position on our accounts is, any profit increases the £7m pool.
4. Loans where we pay a high loan fee but the loaning club pays half or other share of the salary.

What it does mean is that we will be boxing clever and that explains why there has not been lots of flashy signings. My guess is they have to do the business with Cairney, Ream, Sess and any others from last year who they think are vulnerable before they know how much they actually have to spend of the £7mm. That then determines what deal structure they will need once they have the player interested at a basic level.

[YoungsBitter]

The benchmark was £67 million. So in a way we could go all the way up to £67 but you would then need to be sure that you stayed up or you get killed upon relegation as most players, it seems, do not agree relegation clauses.
Does anyone know what our 2017-18 wage bill was?

[WolverineFFC]

Just cant see us spending 30M on a player if we only have 80 to 100m to spend. I know I keep going on but we need a lot of players and the money aint going to spread that far. Still happy to be proved wrong.

Who has said anything about 80-100m transfer budget??

We have an owner who puts us in the top bracket of wealthiest owners, if the signings are there he is hardly going to limit the club to this magic "£80-100" figure!

Doesn't matter how wealthy he is, we still have to abide by FFP. A friend of mine who works for accountants involved with football clubs & is very well informed on FFP reckons we could have up to £90m max  to spend depending on how the deals are structured

Based on what, does your friend know how much our sponsorship deals are worth or if Shad wants to do some personal loan to the club?? Appriciate he might have a knowledge but to pluck 90m out the sky is obsurd.

Edit: what the club wants to spend and what we can we will never know and nor will they ever announce it.

that is very true, but you can make an educated guess based on both Fulhams past accounts, other clubs following promotion, PL finances and cost of players.
I think the 90m is about right as a max spend with no outgoings. But I'd be surprised if we spend in excess of 60m this summer.

A legitimate question. When coming up with those figures, does the ability (hypothetically) of selling Sess for 40 mill in the summer of 2019-20 come in to the estimation of spend for FFP or no?

I'm sure somone will know more than me, but as I see it a club can make a loss of 105 million over 3 years. So we could technically blow that this year which would mean about a 200 million pound spend, give or take a kalas or two. And the other ffp rule is wages at around 63 million.

Yeah, I was curious in MJG's estimation if that included the potential sale of current assets in the 90 million figure he totaled. You know in a doomsday type situation where the club gets relegated right away.

With amortization, my understanding is a negative 90 million dollar net transfer spend does not equate a 90 million loss this year depending on contracts.

[YoungsBitter]

The benchmark was £67 million. So in a way we could go all the way up to £67 but you would then need to be sure that you stayed up or you get killed upon relegation as most players, it seems, do not agree relegation clauses.

Yes sorry 67 not 63. But as I understand it that was in 16/17. In 17/18 it was 74 and next year 81. As I said above, take a look at the PL rules online for yourself - that's just my interpretation

As to the other point IMO you have to go up to that level and take the risk. Our rivals will. If you try to stay within a championship budget you just guarantee the occurrence of the very thing you're afraid of, relegation.

Our 17/18 wage bill would have been around 30m - 35m I'm pretty sure (accounts not out until next march/april)

Yes, you are right its £81m and that does change matters significantly if you want to throw the dice and pay salaries. You still have to be able to find the cash.
So the question then does come back to how much can we finance in transfer fees and salaries?

[Mince n Tatties]

Come on Fulham, get us exited,this is getting boring.
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