Sessegnon and Cairney, what next ?

[Riversider]

I don't really have an opinion on these two, I will say though that I don't think they are any where near as good as some Fulham supporters think they are, but I do think this summer is a critical time for the pair of them, I don't think either of them have been helped by the press last summer, there were reports of Spurs wanting Sess for £50 million and Newcastle wanting Cairney for £25 million, that's a combined valuation of £75 million, from just 7 months ago, what price now ?
So my question is this, which division do you think Sessegnon and Cairney will be playing in next season ?
I think both players will be looking to leave in the summer, but I couldn't hazard a guess as to what level they will be playing at, so what do you think ?

[ALG01]

I feel for both of them and believe, with Mitro, that these are our best three players by a mile.
I suspect all will be elsewhere because they deserve better. I think they will all be in the Prem.

[Lyle from Hangeland]

I feel for both of them and believe, with Mitro, that these are our best three players by a mile.
I suspect all will be elsewhere because they deserve better. I think they will all be in the Prem.

I don't see Cairney as a Premier League player ever. Sessegnon may develop into one, but he's not good enough yet. Mitro is good enough, but has to play in a certain system.

[ALG01]

I feel for both of them and believe, with Mitro, that these are our best three players by a mile.
I suspect all will be elsewhere because they deserve better. I think they will all be in the Prem.

I don't see Cairney as a Premier League player ever. Sessegnon may develop into one, but he's not good enough yet. Mitro is good enough, but has to play in a certain system.

#

Well obviously I disagree, I do think with a proper manager playing a proper system they would all flourish.

[Lyle from Hangeland]

I feel for both of them and believe, with Mitro, that these are our best three players by a mile.
I suspect all will be elsewhere because they deserve better. I think they will all be in the Prem.

I don't see Cairney as a Premier League player ever. Sessegnon may develop into one, but he's not good enough yet. Mitro is good enough, but has to play in a certain system.

#

Well obviously I disagree, I do think with a proper manager playing a proper system they would all flourish.

What is the proper system and who is the proper manager? Arguably isn't wasn't Slavisa or Slavisa's 4-3-3 possession game because we kept losing games. Cairney just doesn't have the quickness and endurance to make it in the Premier League. He's a quality player, but he's the kind of player the modern game nullifies game in and game out, because of his physical limitations. Sessesgnon is weak like Rainieri says. Ryan has something special about him, but he was way overrated by the punditry and fans last season. Mitro is a stud, but he really needs to play in a 4-4-2 as a target man with a quality partner, something akin to Atletico Madrid's system. Roy Hodgson would love Mitro, I think.

I am with you on the Khans management though. I do think they're good owners in the sense they've committed their resources to Fulham and that they're really good people from what I can tell, but they're a mix bag at best as football club managers. They should let someone else manage the football side of things, I think.

[ALG01]

I feel for both of them and believe, with Mitro, that these are our best three players by a mile.
I suspect all will be elsewhere because they deserve better. I think they will all be in the Prem.

I don't see Cairney as a Premier League player ever. Sessegnon may develop into one, but he's not good enough yet. Mitro is good enough, but has to play in a certain system.

#

Well obviously I disagree, I do think with a proper manager playing a proper system they would all flourish.

What is the proper system and who is the proper manager? Arguably isn't wasn't Slavisa or Slavisa's 4-3-3 possession game because we kept losing games. Cairney just doesn't have the quickness and endurance to make it in the Premier League. He's a quality player, but he's the kind of player the modern game nullifies game in and game out, because of his physical limitations. Sessesgnon is weak like Rainieri says. Ryan has something special about him, but he was way overrated by the punditry and fans last season. Mitro is a stud, but he really needs to play in a 4-4-2 as a target man with a quality partner, something akin to Atletico Madrid's system. Roy Hodgson would love Mitro, I think.

I am with you on the Khans management though. I do think they're good owners in the sense they've committed their resources to Fulham and that they're really good people from what I can tell, but they're a mix bag at best as football club managers. They should let someone else manage the football side of things, I think.

The proper team and formation is as we saw against Brighton in the second half.
That has not been replicated since that game finished.

[Artful Dodger]

I think they will both be with us next season now. Neither has done enough to get a transfer to a PL club so I think they will form the basis of our promotion push next year!

[Lyle from Hangeland]

I think they will both be with us next season now. Neither has done enough to get a transfer to a PL club so I think they will form the basis of our promotion push next year!

This is probably true, but I bet Sessegnon gets some bids and a larger club tries to develop him further.

[Woolly Mammoth]

I feel for both of them and believe, with Mitro, that these are our best three players by a mile.
I suspect all will be elsewhere because they deserve better. I think they will all be in the Prem.

I don't see Cairney as a Premier League player ever. Sessegnon may develop into one, but he's not good enough yet. Mitro is good enough, but has to play in a certain system.

#

Well obviously I disagree, I do think with a proper manager playing a proper system they would all flourish.

What is the proper system and who is the proper manager? Arguably isn't wasn't Slavisa or Slavisa's 4-3-3 possession game because we kept losing games. Cairney just doesn't have the quickness and endurance to make it in the Premier League. He's a quality player, but he's the kind of player the modern game nullifies game in and game out, because of his physical limitations. Sessesgnon is weak like Rainieri says. Ryan has something special about him, but he was way overrated by the punditry and fans last season. Mitro is a stud, but he really needs to play in a 4-4-2 as a target man with a quality partner, something akin to Atletico Madrid's system. Roy Hodgson would love Mitro, I think.

I am with you on the Khans management though. I do think they're good owners in the sense they've committed their resources to Fulham and that they're really good people from what I can tell, but they're a mix bag at best as football club managers. They should let someone else manage the football side of things, I think.

I agree, but nothing will improve dramatically enough until the owners son is dispatched back to Disney Land, with a flee in his ear.

[jarv]

I have watched most games...Fulham play soooo much better when Cairney is on the field.  He is a top clss player, no doubt. Sess, I cant help but think the manager has destroyed his confidence. His time will come (again) but not as long as we have a dinosaur in charge.

[Mince n Tatties]

I think they will both be with us next season now. Neither has done enough to get a transfer to a PL club so I think they will form the basis of our promotion push next year!

This is probably true, but I bet Sessegnon gets some bids and a larger club tries to develop him further.

Like Man City and Patrick Roberts?

[Tonywa]

But given that all the hard work revamping the team and getting promoted has been thrown away, why do we think it would be any better next time? And surely the whole point of playing in the Championship is having the ambition to get back to the top level.

[Lyle from Hangeland]

I think they will both be with us next season now. Neither has done enough to get a transfer to a PL club so I think they will form the basis of our promotion push next year!

This is probably true, but I bet Sessegnon gets some bids and a larger club tries to develop him further.

Like Man City and Patrick Roberts?

Yep, it's the way of the football player market.

[Matt10]

I feel for both of them and believe, with Mitro, that these are our best three players by a mile.
I suspect all will be elsewhere because they deserve better. I think they will all be in the Prem.

I don't see Cairney as a Premier League player ever. Sessegnon may develop into one, but he's not good enough yet. Mitro is good enough, but has to play in a certain system.

#

Well obviously I disagree, I do think with a proper manager playing a proper system they would all flourish.

What is the proper system and who is the proper manager? Arguably isn't wasn't Slavisa or Slavisa's 4-3-3 possession game because we kept losing games. Cairney just doesn't have the quickness and endurance to make it in the Premier League. He's a quality player, but he's the kind of player the modern game nullifies game in and game out, because of his physical limitations. Sessesgnon is weak like Rainieri says. Ryan has something special about him, but he was way overrated by the punditry and fans last season. Mitro is a stud, but he really needs to play in a 4-4-2 as a target man with a quality partner, something akin to Atletico Madrid's system. Roy Hodgson would love Mitro, I think.

I am with you on the Khans management though. I do think they're good owners in the sense they've committed their resources to Fulham and that they're really good people from what I can tell, but they're a mix bag at best as football club managers. They should let someone else manage the football side of things, I think.

The modern game hasn't changed in the centre of the pitch, he's been playing on the wing though. I think this season's results are a poor representation of Cairney's ability, and his individual moments of brilliance is what will bring the clubs calling his name. He is a playmaker, he holds onto the ball and is highly reliable to keep possession. If we don't give him someone to pass to, he has to beat 3-4 players at a time, which happened a couple times last night.

I think the losing season effect is very much on all our players right now, and fans' perception on them as well. If you isolate these players, you can see the value they bring to a team that has their gameplan together. Unfortunately, Fulham's managers haven't had a well executed, consistent, plan this season.

[Nero]

I have watched most games...Fulham play soooo much better when Cairney is on the field.  He is a top clss player, no doubt. Sess, I cant help but think the manager has destroyed his confidence. His time will come (again) but not as long as we have a dinosaur in charge.

If Cairney is so good why cant he get in the Scotland team?

[jarv]

Nero,  he has been selected. Played 2 or 3 then he got injured which affected both Fulham and Scotland before xmas.  However, Scotland also have a dinosaur manager who played TC......on the wing  :031:

[Twig]

Cairney is a Prem quality player when played in position. He is not a wide player as our dumb manager seems to think.
Sess clearly has tremendous potential and given the right coaching etc I think he is zprem potential.

[70sPimlico]

I feel for both of them and believe, with Mitro, that these are our best three players by a mile.
I suspect all will be elsewhere because they deserve better. I think they will all be in the Prem.

I don't see Cairney as a Premier League player ever. Sessegnon may develop into one, but he's not good enough yet. Mitro is good enough, but has to play in a certain system.

#

Well obviously I disagree, I do think with a proper manager playing a proper system they would all flourish.

What is the proper system and who is the proper manager? Arguably isn't wasn't Slavisa or Slavisa's 4-3-3 possession game because we kept losing games. Cairney just doesn't have the quickness and endurance to make it in the Premier League. He's a quality player, but he's the kind of player the modern game nullifies game in and game out, because of his physical limitations. Sessesgnon is weak like Rainieri says. Ryan has something special about him, but he was way overrated by the punditry and fans last season. Mitro is a stud, but he really needs to play in a 4-4-2 as a target man with a quality partner, something akin to Atletico Madrid's system. Roy Hodgson would love Mitro, I think.

I am with you on the Khans management though. I do think they're good owners in the sense they've committed their resources to Fulham and that they're really good people from what I can tell, but they're a mix bag at best as football club managers. They should let someone else manage the football side of things, I think.

The proper team and formation is as we saw against Brighton in the second half.
That has not been replicated since that game finished.

Unfortunately, like the good teams in the championship and every team (bar Brighton for a half) in the premiership, Cairney will not be given the time he needs to dictate games. Give him time and he is a great player but he's quite easy to nullify for good teams. Remember, many games in championship he was very quiet. fortunatley, we had other weapons

[TC's Sporran]

Cairney is a pure flair player, with zero defensive capabilities. Surround him with battlers and he can pick out a pass keep the ball and helps the team tick.
Expect him to get stuck in and graft and you are wasting your time.
Last night second half I must have been watching a different game to some on here. "fantastic feet" Carragher commented as he skipped past a couple of west ham players. Im sure he did that twice. Very rarely gave the ball away and threaded a few passes through for goal scoring chances.
If he had a bit of steel he would be at a top 6 club.
Im not surprised CR hasn't picked him much ,but now he must surely realise its better to have him on the pitch for what he can offer as opposed to off the pitch for what he cant.

[70sPimlico]

Cairney is a pure flair player, with zero defensive capabilities. Surround him with battlers and he can pick out a pass keep the ball and helps the team tick.
Expect him to get stuck in and graft and you are wasting your time.
Last night second half I must have been watching a different game to some on here. "fantastic feet" Carragher commented as he skipped past a couple of west ham players. Im sure he did that twice. Very rarely gave the ball away and threaded a few passes through for goal scoring chances.
If he had a bit of steel he would be at a top 6 club.
Im not surprised CR hasn't picked him much ,but now he must surely realise its better to have him on the pitch for what he can offer as opposed to off the pitch for what he cant.

You know that thing that Cairney does when he tries something and loses the ball and then seems to shrug and sulk for about 30 secs. As fans, I think we take this as not caring but I belive its just in his football dna. Its probably what he has done as a flair player since a kid. He cant stop himself, he's just gutted he's lost the ball.

Take Snodgrass for example. Skill wise, he's not in the same class as Cairney but he'll end up having what will be considered a better career than TC because ultimately, he'll fight to make things happen and if he loses the ball, will fight to get it back.

Sad to say but Snodgrass (who I think is a top championship/lower premier player) would be far more useful to us than TC is right now.

It might not sound it but I'm a major TC fan